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There is no doubt that your assessment of the Buckeye faithful on a rematch is correct,...still doesn't mean Michigan is # 2, or for that matter "not" # 3 or worse. That is gonna be up to the voters and the computers after the rest of the games play out. I don't want a rematch because it isn't good for the surrounding controversy,...can Michigan win ? A resounding YES. Am I "scared" of them ? No, I don't have to suit up. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You're calling a guess on Florida ?? I think they need some major miracles to happen, same for Arkansas.

Funny how things are more the same than they are different when the shoe is on the other foot eh?? <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Why does Michigan deserve another Shot, dont good teams take advantage of the one shot thier given, If michigan was indeed that good, why didnt they beat us the first time. How many chances does a team get, if we do play a second time and Ohio st. wins again, do we go for three, Well this happened and that didnt go our way, common, Michiggan had thier chance, and they played a heck of a game, it was a great game, Michigans a heck of a team, but so is Ohio State who won.

Michigan had thier chance, they got beat, leave it at that.....

One of the Few and the Proud from Northwest Ohio, huh ?? <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

That statement is the problem. There's no way that game could "very easily have gone the other way". Recovering an onside kick and scoring in two minutes with no time outs is the only chance you had to just tie the game.

Ohio State played the game to win and controlled the game after the first series. Like I said, it took everything Michigan had to get the point defecit under double digits. Michigan got the score close on several occasions, but the Buckeyes answered every single time. The defense stopped Michigan every time they absolutely had to.

That statement makes it sound like the game was a play or two from going the other way, when in fact the Wolverines were buried and used every ounce of their metal to get the score close at the end. I don't think they left anything on the field when the game was over.

I know, we all go through it, living in the opposing teams town, it sucks. Since I was the only one speaking on UM's behalf it sounded like you were directing it to me. My bad.

Who else deserves a chance?

USC, who lost to Oregon freaking State?

Notre Dame, who got buried by Michigan?

Arkansas, who got embarrassed by USC?

In my book, it's Florida or Michigan, and while I take no sides on the issue regarding the two, I'll maintain my opinion that the reason OSU fans don't want a rematch is because they almost got beat.

Now, I can see the other side of the fence, where Michigan didn't 'earn' it, because I said that if Rutgers won out, they deserved consideration for the title game, regarldess of whether or not they were the best. And the resounding reponse from my Buckeye friends was a resounding 'no'...and why? Because they said they wanted the best two teams in the NC, and Rutgers wasn't one of them.

Well this is as close to bordering opinion and fact as you can get, but Michigan and Ohio St. are the two best teams in the country. They're the only team that can beat Ohio St., and tha - IMO - is why the Buckeye faithful is now talking about the 'sacred' Game, and about missing your shot and son on and so forth....but if the shoe is on the other foot...GMAFB when you tell me that any OSU fan wouldn't be calling for Ohio St. to square off against #1 Michigan in that game.

I don't think they left anything on the field when the game was over.

As it was and how it should have been,....

Agreed, this thing was never out of hand. Now if the Michigan D had shown up,....I'm curious now, did Carr even have a game plan ?? Just throw it up and see what happens ?? (or run it, in the case of Mike Hart)

See how this works, everyone? Phil doesn't just ignore facts in his political posts, but when accusing OSU fans as well. It has been pointed out to him SEVERAL TIMES that OSU fans said BEFORE THE GAME WAS PLAYED that whoever lost...OSU or UM.....shouldn't get a rematch. He ignores that so he can still say that the reason OSU fans don't want a rematch is because they are scared. It's this type of denying reality that makes his posts as sad as Worldchamps' in the smack shack. They ignore the facts when brought to their attention so that they can continue to post things, already proven false, as fact. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

Well then,seeing how you are so objective,with OSU being rated #1.how far do you think a three point loss to Michigan would have dropped us in the poles? #2 maybe?

But if you're already #2 you should remain #2 if you lose? Where's the objectivity in that? You see,if we lose to Micjigan by three,we probably would have a legitimate shot at remaining at the #2 position which in fact would give you the right at a shot at the national championship.

But when you're #2 and lose,nothing should happen? You remain #2 and get a re-match? I don't asee that as being objective,but everyone has their own viewpoint about it.

If OSU would have lost by 3 it would be more damaging because they lost at home to the underdog, while Michigan lost by 3 on the road to the favorite.

So, UM should have gone into the game in a no lose situation in your opinion? If they win, they vault to #1, but if they lose, they should stay at #2 because they had all the disadvantages? That makes no sense. I asked this before and you ignored it....why should the loser of the game be rewarded?

Great. You said it. That makes it fact. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

Are you honestly going to dispute my opinion that if Ohio State lost, Ohio State fans wouldn't be calling for a rematch in the NC? I'm not talking about you, or the handful of people that made easier said than done statements on this board...I'm talking about the Buckeye nation...and if you will dispute that...well, conversation over.



Actually, I said it was my opinion. Repeatedly.

That's a good argument Pit, and I'm not defending anyone here, but Michigan did drop in both the Coaches and Harris polls to 3,...the problem is the computers still have them at 2, thus they retain their BCS rank at 2. That's now a moving target though while they sit idle,....kinda crazy to see Michigan fans become overnight Irish,.....

Go Trojans
Go 'Hogs
Go Gators
Go 'Neers'

(wish Rutgers hadn't lost) <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Your probebly right, I'm not disputing that, I do know I wouldnt be yelling for a rematch, If OSU would have gotten beat saturday, I'd say we had our chance and blew it,

Who should Ohio state play for the national title game...if it comes down to a Flordia or Michigan, than we go with the other team OSU hasnt played, give them a chance,

Bottom line..Why does Michigan deserve a 2nd chance, if they beat OSU in the national title game does that mean thier the champs, is that fair to Ohio State, who beat them earlier ? or Do we play a third game,see it's never ending........Michigan played a heck of a game thier a good team, but all this shows signs of being poor loosers and whinners, it's tarnishing the effort of the players on saturday

In my opinion a three point loss puts Ohio State at #2, with Florida tailing close behind. The rest of the field is simply too weak.



If you lost to #1, and trounced #5, and #3's only loss came to Oregon St., and #4 played Western Carolina...yeah, sure, why not?

Try'en to hold down the fort up here..... <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

Watch the game again. OSU did NOT "almost get beat". They lead and controlled the whole game (except for the opening drive) and forced Michigan to dig down deep and use everything they had just to get the score close at the end. Like Coach said, that's Tressell football.



Almost every Buckeye fan I know called Saturday's game "the national championship game"....and that if we lost Michigan was the champion and we'd be going to a different bowl game. That said, if neither USC, Fla, nor Arkansa can win out then there should be a rematch.

If you play at home because it is your turn to host the game (last years win in A2 doesnt count) you automatically have to give points to another undefeated and #2 ranked road team who if they win its an "upset". (Pay close attention here Coach) If they lose they "lost on the road "to the "favorite" in the "Real national Championship Game" which is only called that until the "underdog" "barely loses" and finds itself looking at the real national championship game from the outside. Then they are the most deserving team to go play an undefeated team that would have to beat an one loss team 2 x's to win the national title. However, the "underdog" can lose their conference championship game and have a chance to win the national title by wininng 1 game against an undefeated team. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


Its crystal clear coach!! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I apologizing for ignoring it, I didnt do it on purpose.

First though, im not saying that I think Michigan should get the rematch, tell me where I said that? Im just saying why an OSU loss would have been more damaging.

If Michigan would have gotten blown out, we wouldnt be having this discussion. However they did not, they lost by 3 on the road, so the argument can be made that on a neutral field the outcome could be different. Once again, Im not making this argument now. Im waiting to see how the next couple of weeks unfold.

If we went into this game under the exact same scenario......ie....Michigan #1 and OSU #2,no,I would not "expect" a re-match. I would realisicly expect to drop in the polls.

That's the shoes being on the other foot. Apples to apples. No,if you're #2 and lose to #1 you figure to pay a price for that.The odds are if that #1 team stays undefeated,you won't get a re-match.

And all I think you would see in a re-match,is a bigger OSU victory. It certainly isn't the fear factor you seem to think there is. What is Tressel now,5-1,6-1 against Michigan? What is there to fear in that?

Michigan was a personal foul away from one truly insanely nail-baiting ball game. Yes, OSU almost got beat. They played Tressel ball and won. They are a fine team. Actually, they're the best team in the country. And perhaps 'almost got beat' isn't the right phrase...but they didn't 'control' as you say...they maintained. They beat Michigan. Congrats. But Michigan was in that football game until the end.



Remove USC and Arkansas and I agree.



You think my Michigan fans talked any differently? Guess what they say now? <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You are correct, normally you would see a drop in the polls, however, I think being this late in the season and having a team as highly ranked as Michigan was, losing to the best team in the country and then seeing the teams behind Michigan, there wasnt much of a choice but to keep them at 2. The rankings are exactly that ranking from top to bottem of the best teams. And even after a loss, Michigan is still the 2nd best team in the country. Now, does that warrant a rematch? I would say in most cases no, but losing by 3 on the road, its tough not to give them a shot on a nuetral field.

This is an argument that obvisouly people just are not going to agree on. As much as some people might think its a clear cut choice, it really isnt. The only thing we can do is let the next couple weeks play out and go from there. Its really all in USC's hand.

Yeah, but they're Michigan fans. <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Oooh, right, I forgot...you guys are honestly and trustworthy and they breathe out of gills and have black blood. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I agree.

That is why it is the BSC.

Just as a side note, Kirk Herbstreit is also one of the many who said going in there should not be a rematch but now isnt so sure. Not that that means anything, but he is an Ohio State guy.

BCS= the big computer sham

They were down 10 until there was 2:16 left on the clock. It would have taken a miracle to even tie the game.

j/c

This seems like a situation where The Donald steps in with some crazy Trump-esque offer...

...c'mon Donny, build a couple of new campus libraries...think of all of the bucks in Florida vs. Michgian in the Trump Bowl. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

(I know even in jest I'm tarnishing the nobility of the game...but it's fun.)

I saw Herbstreit say that, kind of puzzling. They did an ESPN poll with tens of thousands voting, and it was 50%-50% for a rematch.

the poll ended at 55 % for no and 45% for yes

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?pollId=40839

That map is interesting. It's 81-19 in favor of a rematch in Michigan. Go figure. <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

And Alabama is the exact opposite?
I didn't know they had a horse in the race?

I am neither a Michigan nor an OSU fan - they deserve a rematch for the National Championship. I'm rooting hard for Notre Dame this weekend. Any other game and OSU wins in a massive blowout. A rematch means an enjoyable game, any other team means it's a snoozer.

People are still looking at the computers as the problem, when frankly I think the computers are saving the BCS and would like to see their imput valued much more heavily. People have grown used to that it does matter as much who you lose to compared to when you lose. The computers take that out of the equation and simply look for the two best teams, which after watching the game I'd say were Michigan and Ohio State quite obviously.

This was Michigan's first loss of the season and because it came so late in the year, they should be pushed toward the bottom of the one loss teams? Did your opinion of their team change because of the game, or because of the way you think the polls should work? Frankly, I came away more impressed with them after that game than I was heading in.

For all of the talk of this being a blowout that is masked by the score, you guys need to take off your OSU goggles and look at it realistically. I'm not a fan of either team, but as I was watching the second half of that game, I had the feeling that Michigan had taken control of the game, especially offensively. Frankly, if that helmet to helmet penalty hadn't been called (and I'm not saying it was a good or a bad call), I'm not sure Michigan doesn't win the game. It looked like they had a good deal of momentum on their side, IMO. It makes it easier to rationalize that it was a blowout and it was simply Tressel-ball at the end, and to some extent that is correct. But that game never really felt like an 11-point difference either, IMO.

I'd love to see a rematch. As a college football fan, that was one of the better games I've seen in recent years and I'd love to see those two teams going at it again.

I think that teams who don't win their own leagues should not be eligible for the National Championship game.

michigan had their shot.

Now THAT I can agree with.... win your Conference or sit at home the week of New Year's.

Is that your "official view" of the subject?
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So you think the BCS should be the #1 vs the #2 as long as they are in different divisions?

For example, say OSU was number 1 and Wisconsin was number 2 this year and they didnt play eachother, Wisconsin took a loss to Iowa though but were still clearly the #2 team. Every other team had 2 losses.

Because they dont win the conference they dont go, even though every other team has 2 losses? (except maybe a Boise State or Rutgers)