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BROWNS WON’T AVOID $5 MILLION BY CUTTING ANDERSON
Posted by Mike Florio on January 9, 2009, 10:00 a.m. EST
NFL player contracts often include roster bonuses due early in the offseason. The goal is to force the team to make a quick decision as to whether the player is in the plans for the coming year.
Since base salaries typically aren’t guaranteed, a team can squat on a player long after the free-agency market has evaporated, and then cut him at a time when it’s too late either to get paid or to get prepared to be successful on a new roster.
Every once in a while, the team pays the bonus and then makes the ultimate decision later. The Titans, for example, once paid running back Eddie George a $1 million roster bonus in March 2004, only to release him later in the offseason.
This year, Browns quarterback Derek Anderson is due to receive a $5 million roster bonus in March. The widespread thinking is that they’ll try to trade him before the bonus comes due, because the only alternative is to cut him.
But a league source tells us that the $5 million roster bonus is fully guaranteed by $5 million in salary and other payments, all of which will hit the cap in 2009 because, in 2010, there is no salary cap.
So if the Browns cut him or if they keep him, they’re still on the hook for $5 million.
How this affects trade talks remains to be seen. On one hand, there’s even greater urgency for the Browns to do a deal before the roster bonus comes due, since that’s the only way to avoid paying the $5 million. On the other hand, the Browns might take the position that, if they’re on the hook for the $5 million regardless of whether they keep him or cut him, they might as well keep him around for another year.
New coach Eric Mangini might have been already laying the foundation for the “screw it, we’ll keep him” approach on Thursday, when he didn’t commit to Brady Quinn as the starter.
Regardless, the fact that Anderson’s $5 million roster bonus is fully guaranteed by $5 million in other payments represents a fairly large Cleveland Steamer that Phil Savage has left for the next G.M. (whoever it might be) to clean up. web page
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Regardless, the fact that Anderson’s $5 million roster bonus is fully guaranteed by $5 million in other payments represents a fairly large Cleveland Steamer that Phil Savage has left for the next G.M.
Journalists are allowed to use the term 'Cleveland Steamer' in their press releases?
Uh, do you think that Florio doesn't understand the full context of the term as that is not an image anyone needs regardless of who becomes the next GM.
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Or... we could do as Terry Pluto suggested, swallow the $5 million bonus which will let Anderson become a very attractive low cost option to some team on draft day, where the chance for a great deal is at a yearly high, instead of a bloated contract that needs to be decided on ahead of time.
Just another option for Mr. Florio to consider.
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Journalists are allowed to use the term 'Cleveland Steamer' in their press releases?
The word "journalist" is pretty loosely defined these days... but the image of Phil signing a bad deal then getting canned so the next guy has to deal with it pretty much fits the image... 
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I wouldn't really mind keeping Derek... as a backup.
Derek is too inconsistent. We have to turn the reigns over to Brady Quinn, and the sooner the better. If not I will hang myself.
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Anderson/Quinn cannot be allowed to continue.
I don't think Anderson, Quinn, the team, the coach, or the owner wants that to happen either.
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Anderson/Quinn cannot be allowed to continue.
I don't think Anderson, Quinn, the team, the coach, or the owner wants that to happen either.
Agreed. I hope Mangini doesn't come in here to repeat one of Romeo's biggest mistakes. I expect him to at least give them both a look, but I'd be stunned if both were here next year.
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I want Anderson, Dorsey and Gradkowski gone. But only trading Anderson, gotta get something out of him.
I want to bring in an older vet QB that if need be he can step in and win a game for us but people won't be calling his name when Brady has a bad game. And I want us to draft someone in the lower rounds like round 6.
Time to move on and start fresh.
Oh and is there really not gonna be a salary cap in 2010?
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New coach Eric Mangini might have been already laying the foundation for the “screw it, we’ll keep him” approach on Thursday, when he didn’t commit to Brady Quinn as the starter.
Why do we put up with this crap from journalists? I mean, you wanna talk about a Cleveland Steamer.
So, because Mangini didn't say "Brady Quinn is our starter", that means that DA will still be around? Coaches now have to explicitly state things? Man oh man. 
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I am all for it if DA doesnt mind being a back up.
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Hopefully we keep DA, I would much rather have him then BQ. To be honest, I am not sure that either one is the answer, but IMO DA is a better quarterback then Quinn now, and can develop into a much better one in the future. What we should be doing is trying to trade Quinn.
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Was Mangini asked about the quarterback situation in the p.c? What did he have to say about it?
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Actually, if you listened closely to the presser, you will here him state enough to know that BQ will be the starter. It wasn't when he was asked about the QBs. It was when he was discussing the offense, his choice of OCs, etc. He stated that the offense would be a hybrid of the NE offense and the WCO (paraphrasing the hybrid thing). Since everyone and their granny (save a couple posters who shall remain nameless...for now LOL) knows DA's issues with accuracy in the short game, it pretty much spelled it out.
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We shall see, hopefully Mangini takes a long hard look at this and makes an informed decision, but one thing is for sure...We can't keep them both.
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I am sure he is already viewing game and practice film. As soon as the GM is hired, his first job will likely be working the phones for a trade for DA.
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So, because Mangini didn't say "Brady Quinn is our starter", that means that DA will still be around? Coaches now have to explicitly state things? Man oh man.
LOL.. ain't it the truth.. He didn't explicitly say that Shaun Rogers would be starting either, maybe he's going to be cut... 
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IF we did trade DA, what kind of value would you expect in return?
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IF? C'mon Og, you aren't recanting, are you? You stated earlier last week some time that if it was a WCO style we went with, BQ should and would be the QB. You just said above that one has to go. You're not hedging now are you?  I don't think we'd get a whole lot for DA. I would guess 3rd round tops. Regardless, he will have to be dealt because of the roster bonus.
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BQ is a better fit for a WCO, but although the O Mangini wants to run is a hybrid of it, it is still similar to the O we have been running the past couple years under Chud.
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Similar philosophy....but the biggest difference is that it won't live and die with the deep ball.
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Similar philosophy....but the biggest difference is that it won't live and die with the deep ball.
It isn't like we lived or died with it this year...even when DA was at qb. IMO we didn't try to go deep enough this year. Chud completely changed his playcalling from 07. In 07, our vertical passing game was feared by opposing defenses and this year we really cut down on the deep ball and started throwing alot more screens and quick hitters. That is perfect for Brady, but when DA was in there, it wasn't playing to his strengths.
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Hopefully we keep DA, I would much rather have him then BQ. To be honest, I am not sure that either one is the answer, but IMO DA is a better quarterback then Quinn now, and can develop into a much better one in the future. What we should be doing is trying to trade Quinn.
I really do hope that Mangini isn't insane enough to run DA in a WCO, which is quite possibly the worst offense imaginable for the guy. He needs to be traded to a team with a vertical attack, and from everything I've heard, that's not going to be us.
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Similar philosophy....but the biggest difference is that it won't live and die with the deep ball.
It isn't like we lived or died with it this year...even when DA was at qb. IMO we didn't try to go deep enough this year. Chud completely changed his playcalling from 07. In 07, our vertical passing game was feared by opposing defenses and this year we really cut down on the deep ball and started throwing alot more screens and quick hitters. That is perfect for Brady, but when DA was in there, it wasn't playing to his strengths.
It wasn't playing to his strengths because DCs figured out the way to stop DA....you take the long ball away and he can't produce.
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What bothers me about switching to a WCO is that it makes finding a new rb a top priority this offseason, whereas if we stay in a vertical passing offense, Jamal would be efficient for us...at least for one more year. Jamal would never work in WCO, ever.
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It wasn't playing to his strengths because DCs figured out the way to stop DA....you take the long ball away and he can't produce.
We rarely even attempted to go deep, so I don't really think it was a factor of it getting it taken away. It wasn't like we were calling plays for DA to throw the ball down field, and he was having to check down. It was that we were calling a bunch of screens and short passes, and that is not where DA is most comfortable. It also doesn't help when your receivers can't catch because the ball is thrown hard...give me a break, catch the football.
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What bothers me about switching to a WCO is that it makes finding a new rb a top priority this offseason, whereas if we stay in a vertical passing offense, Jamal would be efficient for us...at least for one more year. Jamal would never work in WCO, ever.
Jamal won't work in any offense anymore.
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We shall see, hopefully Mangini takes a long hard look at this and makes an informed decision, but one thing is for sure...We can't keep them both.
He has enough film to be ready to trade DA off now. The evidence is there.
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I don't know if keeping both is a good idea or bad..
On one hand, having two guys that you can win with isn't the worst thing that could happen and it appears as if they coexist well together..
On the other hand,, it would be nice to have our Big Ben or our Manning (you pick which one) Rather than always having this back and forth shuffle going on.
I guess it's going to come down to what Mangini values more. If he puts in a system similar to what they had in NY before Favre or what they run in NE... I get the feeling Quinn would be the choice. And I bet that's the direction he goes.
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OK dude, no name-calling. Once you sober up, you'll know what I mean. 
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OK dude, no name-calling. Once you sober up, you'll know what I mean.
I am sober, dude. It's just, how much more evidence does one need to know that Anderson is not a capable starting QB for this team. I would be shocked if Mangini keeps him in any QB position on this team. ie. roster bonus for one. Anyway, thanks for your input. 
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What evidence do you have that BQ is so much better ? Could it be that great completion % he had ? ... 50.6% DA was at 50.2% not a big difference Could it be the great yards per attempt he had ? .....5.8 DA was at 5.7 not a big difference Must have been that fantastic QB rating he had ....66.6 DA was at 66.5 You BQers are funny you make up crap just to make your point . Truth is the only difference between DA and BQ is BQ isn't a threat to throw it deep. I have heard all the talk the BQ was going to make a big difference in our offense and when given the chance with the same support players the results were the same. 
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I hope this finally shuts the haters up. The Browns kept Quinns throws short because they're testing him out, and then let him work his way up to the bombs.
Were they testing him on short throws too , telling him not to complete more than 50.6% because it would hurt DAs trade value.
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What evidence do you have that BQ is so much better ?
Could it be that great completion % he had ? ... 50.6%
DA was at 50.2% not a big difference
Could it be the great yards per attempt he had ? .....5.8
DA was at 5.7 not a big difference
Must have been that fantastic QB rating he had ....66.6
DA was at 66.5
You BQers are funny you make up crap just to make your point .
Truth is the only difference between DA and BQ is BQ isn't a threat to throw it deep.
I have heard all the talk the BQ was going to make a big difference in our offense and when given the chance with the same support players the results were the same.
Is it just me, or did Anderson get to play more than Quinn when he should have been benched. This is a mute point, because your buddy Anderson is going..going...going, gone. Very soon. Save this response for future reference. 
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Is it just me, or did Anderson get to play more than Quinn when he should have been benched. This is a mute point, because your buddy Anderson is going..going...going, gone. Very soon. Save this response for future reference.
Well, DA didn't get benched he got hurt.
BQ put up the same # so I guess with your reasoning he should be benched too.
You are hoping for all hope that DA is going to be traded but we really don't know that to be a fact as of yet do we ?
Maybe they will trade both of them and everyone can complain about someone new.
The pretty boy offered nothing new, inspite of all the BQers claiming he would take us to the promised land . Fact is our problems had nothing to do with WHO was at QB.
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[Hey dude. You should get with Lum on the Brownsboard, you and he might be able to double up a camping trip in Oregon...you know, maybe in the same napsack with a blow up doll of Anderson. 
What , are you 13 or somthing ?
If someone dissagrees with your opinion you resort to insults.
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Wow, yet another someone swinging from DA's jock?!?!?!?! Have you seen the numbers on DA? The numbers that show that he can't complete 50% of his passes less than 20 yards? DA is not accurate at all. Period. There is no debating that. It doesn't matter who is at RB, WR, or OL. When you throw the ball 10 feet over the head of the receiver or 5 yards short and it hops to him, IT'S ON THE QB. DA has TERRIBLE mechanics. He hasn't improved that at all. In fact he regressed in areas he was poor in.
You are SERIOUSLY going to judge BQ on 2 1/2 games when he was injured during a good portion of them? We KNOW that DA is not the answer, especialy with the offense that will be brought in. We don't know, after 2 1/2 games if BQ is. We do know that his skill set is the BETTER of the two QBs for the system that will be run.
Man, every time we post the numbers and silence the DA guys, a new one pops up. It's like a roach infestation.
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