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Accuracy is DA's biggest issue, as you know. Accuracy comes from the waste down *HA*, and DA's mechanics, as coach pointed out, are terrible. They havent improved to a noticeable point.
It osnt "easy" to fix an NFL QB's mechanics when that is how he's been throwing for his entire football life. DA also makes awful mistakes and decisions, frequently...which is only fixable by DA, not the coaches.
EM is most likely gonna bring in offensive coaches who like the WCO type of offense. Derek is owed a $5mil bonus, the writing on the wall says DA wont be here in 2009.
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That is funny, because one of the biggest knocks on Brady and somes reason why he slipped is because of his accuracy issues...especially on the move. He throws balls that sometimes make you scratch your head, like the one this season right to the guy...His passes, especially his long passes are wobbly. I know Romeo called them Misreads, but there is more to it than that. Romeo pulled him so fast...I mean this is a first round pick, you don't screw around with that...He pulled because he was playing soo poorly. Quinn was pissed, and didn't know he was on such a short leash...His actions were not that of a hurt QB that couldn't do the job because of injury. He was mad because he got pulled because of his play, not because of the injury. He made some questionable decesions and had some misreads...not anything to do with he couldn't make the play because he was hurt. It was all mental mistakes.
This is the PERFECT example of what I was talking about. You are providing false information. RAC said publicly AND privately that he pulled BQ for misreads AND the injury.....something I posted about before the media got wind of it....guess that was just a lucky guess by a "poser"  If necessary, I will get the link for you. Sorry, but once again you are posting false information to back up your opinion. This isn't the other board, you don't get away with that here.
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Hey LOYALDAWG, it senseless to debate with Coach...he knows all....
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Hey, Og, is LYING really what you consider debating? Here's the link. I would think the guy that made the decision would know "all" that went into it.....or are you saying we should dismiss the facts and make up our own while "debating"? http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2008/11/cleveland_browns_coach_crennel_1.html"Because of some misreads and my knowledge of the finger situation, I decided to make the change,'' said Crennel. "If Derek Anderson had provided a spark, Brady Quinn would still be the starting quarterback.'' Now, wan to keep roling your eyes? Loyal posted a flat out false statement in direct contradiction of what RAC said. Do you have anything to contradict the man that made the decision?
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What did he lie about? I must have missed it.
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The thing is, since the NFL is a business, teams thrive on fan support. If the support is not there, then the money will not be there; making owners more apt to sell a fanchise or what have you. Please correct me if I am wrong. This DA situation and the relationship the fans have with him does in fact drop his value. I've noticed that DA has taken all the heat rather well. If I was in his shoes I'd be saying, "screw these guys and the roster bonus! This place isn't worth the grief!" And I'm a Cleveland fan. LOL.
And please don't chime in that it was his play that has dropped his value, that is an obvious one fellow posters.
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Yup, if I was DA, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be here. Most fans hate him...
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Those against Quinn starting will emphasize the misreads, those for Quinn starting will lean more towards the injury as a cause. 
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Hey, Og, is LYING really what you consider debating? Here's the link. I would think the guy that made the decision would know "all" that went into it.....or are you saying we should dismiss the facts and make up our own while "debating"?
http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2008/11/cleveland_browns_coach_crennel_1.html
"Because of some misreads and my knowledge of the finger situation, I decided to make the change,'' said Crennel. "If Derek Anderson had provided a spark, Brady Quinn would still be the starting quarterback.''
Now, wan to keep roling your eyes? Loyal posted a flat out false statement in direct contradiction of what RAC said. Do you have anything to contradict the man that made the decision?
Coach, I'm playing the middle ground on this one because both QBs have their bright spots and areas they need to improve on. But, wasn't the decision on Quinn starting regardless coming from ABOVE RAC and Crennel was merely and pawn?
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No, that was one decision that was RAC's and his alone. He was slow to make the move, but he was the one that made the call. Savage did sit in on meetings and push for playing time for certain players. BQ was RAC's decision, though, something he has stated even after being let go.
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Yup, if I was DA, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be here. Most fans hate him...
BULL,,,, I'm calling ya on that one there Og,,,, NOBODY hates DA... they may not care for his ability or the way he runs the team on the field. They may not feel he's the best man for the job,
But only a souless idiot would hate a man simply because he's not as good a QB as they want him to be.
And I doubt that you could back up a statement like "most fans" about anything.
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Hey LOYALDAWG, it senseless to debate with Coach...he knows all....
Since both of you keep ignoring the fact that he had a broken finger, which is only obvious because of his needed surgery, neither of you are trying to be objective. That's why the "troll" comments.
You want to tell "part of a story" to suit your agenda while ignoring very pertinant facts and refuse to address them.
Tag tean trolls? I think so. The pure lack of trying to get to the truth or hold anything with a semblance of debate says it all.
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Yup, if I was DA, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be here. Most fans hate him...
The fans don't hate DA, they hate his play on the field.
1/2 a great year doesn't a QB make.
you had a good run Hank.
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Yup, if I was DA, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be here. Most fans hate him...
If I were DA I'd want to go elsewhere, too, but not because "most" fans hate him. I don't know of anyone that hates DA. I met him and he is a decent guy. His teammates like him. There's nothing that anyone would "hate" about DA. Just because I, and others, don't think he is a franchise QB doesn't mean we "hate" him. Hyperbole isn't really good in "debates"
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I don't care who plays.....but whoever does needs to play well. Flacco has 2 playoff wins as a rookie....Ryan turned the Falcons around.
This idea of developing a QB is crap...they need to win NOW or hit the road....developing qbs is coach speak for "give me a few more seasons".
We have 3 really good qbs in our conference....we better make it 4 or we are done for another decade.
Just win or hit the road.
My attitude is 1 year plan for players, 2 year plan for coaches.
If you can't get it in that time frame, go waste someone else's time.
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Yup, if I was DA, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be here. Most fans hate him...
Some people hate him, and then there are the the classless joke fans that celebrated his injury.
Personally I'd rather give DA another shot over BQ. I don't think BQ has what it takes. Major blow by Savage in my opinion. To think we could have had our second rounder and a guy like Flacco with this year's first roudner instead.
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No more waiting here.....reasons, excuses, I don't care.
Win or get another job.
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I don't care who plays.....but whoever does needs to play well. Flacco has 2 playoff wins as a rookie....Ryan turned the Falcons around.
This idea of developing a QB is crap...they need to win NOW or hit the road....developing qbs is coach speak for "give me a few more seasons".
We have 3 really good qbs in our conference....we better make it 4 or we are done for another decade.
Just win or hit the road.
My attitude is 1 year plan for players, 2 year plan for coaches.
If you can't get it in that time frame, go waste someone else's time.
Flacco has 2 playoff wins as a rookie because of the D. He was 9-23 for 163 last week and 11-22 for 140 some today. Let's not act like he's Dan flipping Marino, Peen.
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I don't know, Coach. Dierdorf thinks he's BETTER than Marino.
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So let's build a killer D quickly cuz I'm realy sick of DA/BQ threads!
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I don't care B...he is in the championship game. That is what is supposed to happen if you have forgotten that.
I expect to be there next season. No more 5 year plans....1 and 2 year plans from here on out. Five years is just a waste of time.
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LOL, so you think Trent Dilfer was a "good" QB, too? Flacco is playing below average football and is riding the defense to the championship game. If the Browns had the Ravens' D, then I guess DA and BQ would be "good" QBs since they would be in a similar position in the playoffs.  As for the plan, I think we'll be contending next year and definately make the leap the following year.
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Say what you want man.....you heard my message.....it isn't wavering, and by now B, you should know when I am dug in, it isn't wavering because I know I am right.
I don't care about Dilfer. I don't care about friggen Y.A.Tittle....I care about the Browns
My message won't change..
Win or make changes until you do.
Continuity?? BS
Winning is the only continuity I care about.
We have sucked ass for 45 years now...win a Super Bowl and I won't care if we suck for another 45...I won't be around to deal with it unless I live to be 126.
Selfish??? You bet! I don't care.
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LOL, so you think Trent Dilfer was a "good" QB, too? Flacco is playing below average football and is riding the defense to the championship game. If the Browns had the Ravens' D, then I guess DA and BQ would be "good" QBs since they would be in a similar position in the playoffs.
I agree with this.
But I will say that Flacco makes 2-3 throws a game that are just awesome. And now he's getting the playoff experience to boot.
If BQ isn't a franchise QB than we better build our D up. Pitt and Balt are in every game because of their Ds. They always have a chance to win. And then they only need 2-3 good throws a game from Roth and Flacco - who are nowhere near the QB that Palmer is.
So we either need a killer D or we need BQ to be the one.
Peen, are you in your 80s? 
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Yeah Flacco is God...........he must be to have the Titans turn the ball over 3 times inside the Rats 20..lol. If that doesn't happen Flacco and the Birds are home right now. You really are short sighted sometimes bro...........Flacco has been crap the last 2 weeks, and his team won because of a killer D.........and today because the Titans kept stepping on their own wiener...lol.
I agree with you that next year we ought to be seeing some real improvement by BQ by the 2nd half of the season (I say BQ because no matter who likes it DA is gone). If we haven't then we are in trouble.
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LOL......no....but when I get worked up, I get flustered like I am 80
I never claimed to be good at math
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I agree Willie....it will be Brady.....but I was thinking more like the 2nd half of the first game. We need to start out about 3-1, and keep that ratio the rest of the season. 12-4.....I think my math was better on that one.
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Yea I gotta agree with you here, he may not have had awesome stats but it is pretty obvious to anyone watching, the kid has a canon and is pretty damn accurate with it.
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I think he may become accurate, but he's not real accurate right now. In fact, I'd say he's much like DA at this point in time. I think he has much more upside, though.
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If you don't relax, you're gonna have a stroke.  My whole point is that Flacco isn't a "good QB" right now. He's simply on a good team that can cover for his mistakes. If Flacco was on the Browns, you wouldn't be calling him "good" with those numbers. You are calling him "good" because the team is winning and, right now, they aren't winning because he is under center. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they are winning DESPITE him being there.
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What evidence do you have that BQ is so much better ?
Could it be that great completion % he had ? ... 50.6%
DA was at 50.2% not a big difference
Could it be the great yards per attempt he had ? .....5.8
DA was at 5.7 not a big difference
Must have been that fantastic QB rating he had ....66.6
DA was at 66.5
You BQers are funny you make up crap just to make your point .
Truth is the only difference between DA and BQ is BQ isn't a threat to throw it deep.
I have heard all the talk the BQ was going to make a big difference in our offense and when given the chance with the same support players the results were the same. 
The big difference is that DA has about 2 years woth of work to show you what he has. He has proven to be a Big, strong armed guy that has a decent deep ball . . . when defenses aren't smartly dropping thier safeties against him. We have enough information to know that he does not run the offense well, consistantly wasting timeouts because he doesn't understand something. Also he crumbles under pressure, how many games last season and this season did we have a shot in the 4th quarter and DA just flat out did not get it done. '
It's not because BQ has proven to be that much better, it's because most of us realize that he has a major league arm, but is severly lacking in everything else. If you need a perfect example of this happening before look no farther than Jeff George.
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Well, I know in 07 that he played well under pressure against Cincy, Oakland, Seattle, Baltimore, and Buffalo. I know that he has not always gotten in done under pressure, but no quarterback does.
You want to talk about crumbling under pressure, BQ is a perfect example. How many big games did he win in college? Ehh...nevermind, don't answer that.
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You want to talk about crumbling under pressure, BQ is a perfect example. How many big games did he win in college? Ehh...nevermind, don't answer that.
How many big games did Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, or Ben Rothlisberger win in college? But, hey, they've done "alright" in the pro's wouldnt you say?
Apples to Apples, Quinn hasnt had a chance to win a "big game" at the NFL level yet. But DA has, and he failed miserably. DA plays as well as his cast does, never better.
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Where was the improvement for DA? There wasnt, the league adjusted to him, and he joined the long list of one year wonders, because at the end of the day, DA isnt nothing special.
Quinn may or not be anything special, fact is, we dont know. But DA has shown enough terrible mechanics, stupid decisions, and lack of improvement to warrant giving Quinn the opportunity.
Derek had his chance, he blew it, move the heck on dude, the Derek saga is over. Nit picking Brady Quinn is pretty crazy, in fact its nuts.
Why don't you give Quinn 1/8 of the chance you've given DA?
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Say what you want about Flacco...he's won the same amount of playoff games this month that the Browns have won in 20 years.
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No, that was one decision that was RAC's and his alone. He was slow to make the move, but he was the one that made the call. Savage did sit in on meetings and push for playing time for certain players. BQ was RAC's decision, though, something he has stated even after being let go.
So you mean that after Crennel announced Anderson would be starting...met with Savage and changed his mind..that it was his decision! LOL you are so Naive. Chud, Rip, Crennel, the players all wanted Anderson as their QB, wake up man. Coaches usually put the best players on the field that can help the TEAM win. They are not infatuated with Quinn, like you are. They have seen enough of him to reluctantly put him in there and seen enough to pull him quickly. Favre played the ENTIRE 2003 season with the same injury. Crennel pulled Quinn to spite Savage. Crennel knew he was gone, because Savage already had a list of replacements. He sucked it up for Quinn and the organization by stating Quinn the starter for 2009, because he was told to do so. It is very common to name a QB for the next year when the current season isn't even over and the team is in disarray and your future in doubt. LOL. Rod Marinelli announced Kitna as his starter for 2010..Hahahah You must be young. There is WMD in Iraq..Hahaha. You are too easy man.
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