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Sources: Pioli to join ChiefsComment Email Print ESPN.com news services New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources told ESPN's Michael Smith. Pioli was seen packing up his office Tuesday afternoon, a Patriots source said. The decision to hire Pioli likely means Herman Edwards will not be back as Chiefs head coach next season. Among the top candidates to succeed Edwards is New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo. A source close to the situation told ESPN.com's Bill Williamson that Edwards found out about the Pioli hiring through the media and hadn't been told anything by the Chiefs' management as of Tuesday afternoon. Edwards sent his assistant coaching staff home to await word on the future in light of the Pioli hiring news. Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio will replace Pioli as vice president of player personnel, league sources told ESPN. Pioli, 43, has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli should find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515
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so much for a mangini/pioli reunion--- not that i was really thinking that it would happen anyways.
By all accounts, the Chiefs just got a good one. We will soon see how he does without Bellyache calling the shots.
And one more thing- so does that mean Ferentz is in as coach of the chiefs??
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obviously Pioli wasn't tied to McDaniels as he is in Denver.
I'm hoping Ferentz stays put in Iowa. Not for NFL interests, but Iowa is a solid Big10 team with him, who knows if they too fall back without him.
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This is turning out to be one of the most dramatic off-seasons in recent memory.
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 Man the Media cracks me up.. when we were looking at Pioli the media made a big deal out of him making demands like wanting Farentz as his HC or he won't come.. Now that it appears that he's been hired by KC to be GM, not one single word about Farentz now they are on to Spags instead   If the media had a clue about anyting today, it would be the first time ever I think....
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so much for a mangini/pioli reunion--- not that i was really thinking that it would happen anyways.
By all accounts, the Chiefs just got a good one. We will soon see how he does without Bellyache calling the shots.
And one more thing- so does that mean Ferentz is in as coach of the chiefs??
I've been told by an insider a couple days ago that if Pioli was hired, which at the time he thought was in favor 80/20, that an NFL DC would become the next Chiefs HC. And pretty much with in 15 minutes of ESPN breaking this, there has already been reports that Spag has been contacted or is 1st candidate. Ferentz isn't coming up to the NFL quite yet, Thank God.
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If the Chiefs somehow pull off a Piolo/Spagnuolo combination, I'm going to be very jealous.
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So you're comfortable with a first-time GM and a rookie head coach?
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So you're comfortable with a first-time GM and a rookie head coach?
Exactly. No matter who the Browns selected, someone would find something to complain about.
....or is it "whom the Browns selected"....meh, I don't care.
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No, I think that he's comfortable with the top GM and head coaching candidate in many people's minds since this process opened, excluding the guys that have no desire to coach right now.
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Hey, I was kind of hoping to land Spags, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying there was such an outcry about getting rookie GMs and/or coaches, that it's funny that people would be excited about this.
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Hey, I was kind of hoping to land Spags, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying there was such an outcry about getting rookie GMs and/or coaches, that it's funny that people would be excited about this.
I have never cared for a bit about getting a guy that has X years in X position on his resume... I've always cared for getting the right person for the job. You do that, and it doesn't matter if he's a rookie or not. Oh well, if this ends up being their duo, it'll be interesting to see how my favorite combo matches up against Randy's over the coming years.
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Yeah, that's a good point. I continue to be firmly entrenched in the camp of "I don't care who we have, I just want to win."
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so much for a mangini/pioli reunion--- not that i was really thinking that it would happen anyways.
By all accounts, the Chiefs just got a good one. We will soon see how he does without Bellyache calling the shots.
And one more thing- so does that mean Ferentz is in as coach of the chiefs??
I've been told by an insider a couple days ago that if Pioli was hired, which at the time he thought was in favor 80/20, that an NFL DC would become the next Chiefs HC. And pretty much with in 15 minutes of ESPN breaking this, there has already been reports that Spag has been contacted or is 1st candidate. Ferentz isn't coming up to the NFL quite yet, Thank God.
Right,...as bad as the Big Ten is (the big crock), they need all the good coaches they can keep. Iowa cannot afford to start over, either.
With all this hobnobbing and jackjumping around, is money the issue ??
I would love to have a job that paid me millions for losing.
This is getting old.
Loyalty is obviously nonimportant.
Check Meyer's out clause if JT dies tomorrow,.....
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If the Chiefs somehow pull off a Piolo/Spagnuolo combination, I'm going to be very jealous.
Why? We don't even know that Pioli ever made a decision on his own.. we don't know if Belichick made all the final decisions or not, but knowing his propensity for control, my guess is that Pioli is a not a decision maker.
As for Spags,, I like him and think he'll be a pretty good head coach.. But there isn't a single guarantee of that..
So I ask again, why would you be jealous?
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Why? We don't even know that Pioli ever made a decision on his own.. we don't know if Belichick made all the final decisions or not, but knowing his propensity for control, my guess is that Pioli is a not a decision maker.
As for Spags,, I like him and think he'll be a pretty good head coach.. But there isn't a single guarantee of that..
So I ask again, why would you be jealous?
Forget for a second that Mangini is officially ours and Kokinis probably will be soon to remove all bias...
If, at the beginning of this process, you were offered the choice between Pioli/Spagnuolo or Mangini/Kokinis, who would you have chosen?
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Well I choose to be happy with Mangini. He has experience and history is favorably on the side of a second team HC. We aren't going to shove an relic of a QB down his throat and we have some good talent to work with. If he'll build our D into a dominant force, I'll move from happy to elated.
I'm glad for the Chiefs, I personally like them as a team but right out of the shoot he's going to have to deal with their prima donna RB who's simply a cancer on that team. If Gonzo retires this season he's not going to have a lot to work with and I have no idea what their cap situation is like.
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If, at the beginning of this process, you were offered the choice between Pioli/Spagnuolo or Mangini/Kokinis, who would you have chosen? T.J. McCreight/M. Schottenheimer.......Guess neither one of us is gonna get what we want. 
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If, at the beginning of this process, you were offered the choice between Pioli/Spagnuolo or Mangini/Kokinis, who would you have chosen?
T.J. McCreight/M. Schottenheimer.......Guess neither one of us is gonna get what we want.
That wasn't the question.  Both of those are likely pairings, Marty isn't even in the picture anywhere. Which is more attractive to you? Personally, I'd take Pioli/Spags in a heartbeat.
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Marty is the ONLY candidate of all who has the HC'ing experience that would help him make a good GM.
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That wasn't the question. Both of those are likely pairings, Marty isn't even in the picture anywhere. Which is more attractive to you? Personally, I'd take Pioli/Spags in a heartbeat.
Whatever happned to, "if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with?"
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That wasn't the question. Both of those are likely pairings, Marty isn't even in the picture anywhere. Which is more attractive to you? Personally, I'd take Pioli/Spags in a heartbeat.
Whatever happned to, "if you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with?"
I'm trying, I'm trying... it doesn't help that "the one I'm with" was picked by a guy who has "divorced" his last two coaches a year after giving each an extension.
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I would have taken Pioli/Spags in a heartbeat.
Now, does that mean I'm mad about the way things have turned out? Well, what's the point in crying over spilled milk, you know?
I just want a winner. I don't care who brings it here.
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I would have taken Pioli/Spags in a heartbeat.
Now, does that mean I'm mad about the way things have turned out? Well, what's the point in crying over spilled milk, you know?
I just want a winner. I don't care who brings it here.
Likewise. I'm just hoping the Chiefs go for Ferentz instead of Spagnuolo so I can stomach it a little better.
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lol, I hear ya. Shoot, after all the talk about how Ferentz would be the first choice, I think Pioli is obligated!
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I have to say that I"m surprised and a little disappointed in your view of this hiring. After all, the Chiefs sure didn't do much "vetting". I guess it's ok to target one person and not do a thorough search if that's the candidate you wanted? 
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Narrows it down some. I think this might have been handled better. Is the "source" a janitor or what? Ah, the sweet mysteries of the NFL. Just another guy to beat. 
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j/c www.KFFL.comChiefs | Schwartz expected to be a top candidate if Edwards fired Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:42:01 -0800 Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports Tennessee Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz is expected to be a leading candidate for the Kansas City Chiefs head coaching position if Herman Edwards is fired.
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If, at the beginning of this process, you were offered the choice between Pioli/Spagnuolo or Mangini/Kokinis, who would you have chosen?
It wouldn't have been pioli,, but I'd take Spags.... simple reasoning.. I'm not even a little convinced that Pioli will succeed without Belichick.. Not even sure he'll be able to find the bathroom let alone any talent!
Spags on the other hand.. That guy may end up being a star..
So while I probably would have been happy taking Spags,,, in my heart, I wanted little or nothing to do with Pioli,,
Fast forward to today, I'll take what it appears we are getting.. Mangini and and anyone that can work in concert with him to build a winning team...
You also forgot something else Spec,,, Lerner wanted an experienced NFL HC. He didn't want another rookie. SO you can really count Spags out again. And why would he hire a Rookie HC and a Rookie GM... That didn't work out so well the last time.. why would it work this time.
Oh, in case you forgot this,, Pioli isn't the GM in NE... He's a personnel guy.. So as a full control GM,, He's a rookie...
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I have to say that I"m surprised and a little disappointed in your view of this hiring. After all, the Chiefs sure didn't do much "vetting". I guess it's ok to target one person and not do a thorough search if that's the candidate you wanted?
A guy like Pioli is similar to Cowher in my mind... he's a proven winner, bonafide executive (regardless of whether he's held the official title or not) and there's no problem going after him as your focus. If Lerner did that, there wouldn't be any complaint from me. As is, we're going to hire George Kokinis without much vetting either (even backup guys we haven't interviewed like Nick Caserio are being eliminated lol) and his resume doesn't hold a candle to Pioli's. I'd have much more confidence in hiring Pioli like that than I do Kokinis, though I'm still hoping for the best.
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It wouldn't have been pioli,, but I'd take Spags.... simple reasoning.. I'm not even a little convinced that Pioli will succeed without Belichick.. Not even sure he'll be able to find the bathroom let alone any talent!
Spags on the other hand.. That guy may end up being a star..
So while I probably would have been happy taking Spags,,, in my heart, I wanted little or nothing to do with Pioli,,
Fast forward to today, I'll take what it appears we are getting.. Mangini and and anyone that can work in concert with him to build a winning team...
You also forgot something else Spec,,, Lerner wanted an experienced NFL HC. He didn't want another rookie. SO you can really count Spags out again. And why would he hire a Rookie HC and a Rookie GM... That didn't work out so well the last time.. why would it work this time.
Oh, in case you forgot this,, Pioli isn't the GM in NE... He's a personnel guy.. So as a full control GM,, He's a rookie...
I know that's what Lerner wanted but couldn't he at least have explored the possibility of a different route?
Also... I really wish everyone would stop referring Pioli as a rookie... sounds like sour grapes to me there. The guy is a 3 time Executive of the Year. Regardless of whether he's held the official position in question or not, he's no rookie. To compare him to Kokinis and say they're both rookies is silly IMO.
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Also... I really wish everyone would stop referring Pioli as a rookie... sounds like sour grapes to me there. The guy is a 3 time Executive of the Year. Regardless of whether he's held the official position in question or not, he's no rookie. To compare him to Kokinis and say they're both rookies is silly IMO.
But he will be a GM for the first time. Hey, Bradford is a Heisman Trophy winner, but he's going to be a rookie just like Jenkins or Wells. It's a big step up.
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But he will be a GM for the first time. Hey, Bradford is a Heisman Trophy winner, but he's going to be a rookie just like Jenkins or Wells. It's a big step up.
There's also a big difference between adjusting to an entirely different game speed and just taking on a bit more responsibility though.
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that would have been the combination I wanted.....
I like the Chiefs so I wish them well. We'll see if Lamar Hunt or Randy is the better evaluator....
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Well, the thing is, do any of us know just how much responsibility he had with NE? I'm not doubting the guy did his job very well. But, will he be able to take on those extra responsibilities? Isn't that the question you always ask of rookies?
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Good point, Sam is a COLLEGE FOOTBALL MVP,...and right now no more. And my guess is, if you were a wagering type, you'd bet on "success" in the NFL from Jenkins or Wells first,...I know I would. (NO Ohio State bias.)
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Well, the thing is, do any of us know just how much responsibility he had with NE? I'm not doubting the guy did his job very well. But, will he be able to take on those extra responsibilities? Isn't that the question you always ask of rookies?
I may not, but what about Bob Kraft and Belichick?
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“Scott Pioli was an integral part of the many championships the New England Patriots have celebrated this decade, and I would like to thank him for his countless contributions throughout the past nine seasons,” Patriots owner Robert Kraft said in a statement.
“Scott is a great evaluator of talent. He is thorough in his evaluations, extremely organized and has done a tremendous job mining all possible resources to help Coach Belichick and his staff field the players needed to win consistently.
“He has played an important role in building a championship tradition with players that I am proud to call Patriots. … Clark Hunt and the Kansas City Chiefs have made a very wise hire.”
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“To sum up in words everything Scott Pioli has meant to this organization and to me personally would be difficult, if not impossible,” Belichick said in a statement. “From the day I met him, he has demonstrated a passion for football and respect for the game that is second to none.
“It has been extremely gratifying for me to follow Scott's career ascension from the bottom of the totem pole in Cleveland to his place as a pillar of championship teams in New England. Now with the opportunity to steer his own ship and a vision of building a winner, there is no more capable, hardworking, loyal, team-oriented person than Scott Pioli.”
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"Rookie HC" is very much overrated in my opinion and is a convenient excuse for ownership who doesn't know how to pick talent....Pick the right coordinator and you have a much better chance....see Dungy, Lovie Smith, Tomlin, Brian Billick, Jeff Fischer, Bill Parcells, Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid, etc.
They all had success as first time HEAD coaches and somewhat long success that it wasn't just "luck"
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