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I saw this posted yesterday (don't know what happened to that thread). I wonder what position he'd be coaching? I remember when he played for the Dolphins. He was a pretty intense guy then, I have to assume he's still that way.
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Thats cool, Cox was one of my favorite players back in the day(which wasn't ALL that long ago  ). Not sure how he is at coaching but he has to be better than Haluchek(sp)
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I know the Jets DL got a lot of praise for their improvement. Of course the addition of Jenkins helped.  But also I was quite shocked at the praise and appreciation geared towards Mangini from Jenkins when his firing occurred. That was surprising from a one year veteran. We can assume that Mangini and Cox work well together...and another asst. coach that is with ONE and our system.
When looking back at RAC...coming late (Randy did it right by hiring Mangini early) he settled for a hodgepodge of coaches...some with decent coaching ability but few with the kismet of being on the same page with the 3-4 defense.
This also was one of the divisions with RAC n Savage I think after 06 Savage got defensive players for his future 4-3 team. I'm also wondering if some of the reports of Grantham sabotaging RAC had a lot to do with Grantham worming up to Savage telling him how much better he could make our D with a 4-3 (where his experience was in).
I like the unity of the staff so far.
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After listening to Bernie on the radio today...I'm growing confident that Rob Ryan's gonna do his best to duplicate what his brother did in Baltimore.
Bernie basically said the scheme is gonna be similar.
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For some reason after really listing to Eric Mangini I am beginning to warm up to him. Mangini has this "air of confidence" about him...I can put my finger on it but it is very very eerily simlair to Bill Bellichik.... also, I am very happy with the Ryan hire as DC...him and his bro Rex run a simlair system, although I think Rob's system will have some Bellichik wrinkles that his brother Rex may not have...and it may be better the Special teams Coordinator and Assistiant Head coach Brad Seely was an excellent hire. The jury is out on Brian Daboll i am not too sure about him. although im willing to give the guy a shot...if Mangini says he is a good coach, he must be. I know for a fact I am not going to judge Mangini either way until his 4th year is completed...We as fans just need to let this run its course no matter how bad it gets...no more runnin guys out of town  I really think if Mangini is given a fair shake, that he can succedd her..the guy is pasionate about football, especially Cleveland Browns football...this guy is a throw back, he seems to "get it".... We just may be allright...
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For some reason after really listing to Eric Mangini I am beginning to warm up to him.
Mangini has this "air of confidence" about him...I can put my finger on it but it is very very eerily simlair to Bill Bellichik....
also, I am very happy with the Ryan hire as DC...him and his bro Rex run a simlair system, although I think Rob's system will have some Bellichik wrinkles that his brother Rex may not have...and it may be better
the Special teams Coordinator and Assistiant Head coach Brad Seely was an excellent hire.
The jury is out on Brian Daboll i am not too sure about him. although im willing to give the guy a shot...if Mangini says he is a good coach, he must be.
I know for a fact I am not going to judge Mangini either way until his 4th year is completed...We as fans just need to let this run its course no matter how bad it gets...no more runnin guys out of town
I really think if Mangini is given a fair shake, that he can succedd her..the guy is pasionate about football, especially Cleveland Browns football...this guy is a throw back, he seems to "get it"....
We just may be allright...
Hey! We agree for once!
After the article I read that said the pieces were put together for the Ravens' run and rivalry with the Steelers by Belichick and his staff, I figured it was important to bring in a guy with passion for this rivalry. Mangini, I think, clearly gets it.
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Mangini was in Cleveland prior to the move, when the rivalry with Pittsburgh was strongest. Listening to him, he almost sounds like he grew up a Browns fan. And if he didn't, he at least appreciates the history of this team. So if that's the case, then he probably does get it.
Meaning he understands what this team means to the fans, what these fans have been through, and what we all need- a winning environment, strong commitment, and giving us every chance to clean out the division.
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Yes Ammo we do agree!
I have high hopes for Mangini.,..he seems like a no-nonsense guy that won't put up with prima donna's and players whining which is exactly what this team needs, He will lay down the law I think.
I look for Mangini to immedialty focus on fixing the defensive side of the ball...most of our FA and Draft will be focused there....Mangini is smart enough to know that fixing that defense 1st means we can be more competitive in the games from the get go
Offensively, we get a OG to replace Tucker, and we can roll for a year until we get the D fixed and then invest more on that side of the ball.
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Offensively, we get a OG to replace Tucker, and we can roll for a year until we get the D fixed and then invest more on that side of the ball.
I would rather get an OT to replace Shaffer.
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I place my vote for both and get a center to back up Fraley and eventually replace him but how many holes can we fill in one offseason
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Really? Not to disagree with you, but did you see the Tennessee Lane Kiffen interview? I thought Kiffens and Manginis interviews were very eerily similiar.
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Please, Mister Lerner, sirrah! Could we have a bit more intensity, please. Just a wee bit more, if you please. I am all for move the earth and shake opponents' nerves completely. Just a question that occurred to me: Who do you feel is the last team the Browns intimidated? Hey, I will even give you on either side of the ball, just to be (pun!) sporting. So, whadddyasay, matey?  
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All new hires are gonna say all the right things at first. I mean, ask yourself what you would say if you were just named the head coach of the Browns? No, scratch that. You're a fanof the Browns, of course you'd be ecstatic. Let's say the Chicago Bears. You would do a little research and start dropping things to get that fan connection and then outline your plan for success. And, in doing this, you have to sound confident and like you really believe in what you're saying.
If anything, the fact that he seemed really nervous at first and accidentally walked away from the podium forgetting about the Q & A session told me how much he really wants this job. That sold it more than referencing Jim Brown and the Dawg Pound. Any idiot with a clue about the Browns knows those two pieces of lore. To me, it's really what happens in this first off-season that will start to mold my idea of how Mangini is gonna be. Right now, there's not enough to go on and that's driving a lot of people nuts. So it's easy to start projecting and things like that. The truth is, only time will tell. But we're used to waiting.
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But we're used to waiting
Isn't that the truth,....but you know, as I'm thinking about it, how long have other teams' fans been waiting,...
The Cards, since 1947, and THAT wasn't even in St Louis, let alone Arizona,....
The Lions,...--they're about the same boat we're in, nothing to brag about since '55,....'64 in our case,....
The Saints,....
The Texans,....haven't even been to a playoff game yet,...do they actually have any fans ??
The Jags,..at least they have actually been to the AFC Title game since the "return" of the Browns.
The Bengals, the 49er's, the Raiders,...Super Bowl participants that are non-existent now.
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"I thought Kiffens and Manginis interviews were very eerily similiar."
Maybe both are where they finally should be....one at college with his dad helping. One here where he belongs
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The Browns announced the hiring of five assistant coaches Thursday, four who previously worked on Eric Mangini's staff with the Jets and one who's returning for a second stint with the Browns.
It's actually a homecoming of sorts for two of them. Quarterbacks coach Carl Smith served the same job with the Browns from 2001-03, and assistant strength and conditioning coach Rick Lyle played the first two years of his 10-year NFL career with the Browns in 1994 and 1995.
Lyle, defensive line coach Bryan Cox and defensive backs coach Jerome Henderson all have NFL playing experience, and Cox and Lyle played under Mangini during their playing careers. Smith brings 17 years of NFL coaching experience.
Cox, Henderson, Lye and defensive quality control coach Andy Dickerson all spent the past three seasons on the Jets coaching staff.
"I am pleased to announce the addition of five new coaches to our staff," Mangini said."These men are outstanding teachers and their energy and expertise will have an immediate impact on our team."
After leaving the Browns following the 2003 season, Smith spent one season as Matt Leinart's quarterbacks coach at USC during the 2004 season, when Leinart won the Heisman Trophy and the Trojans won the national championship. He spent the following two years back in the NFL as Jacksonville's offensive coordinator.
He began his NFL coaching career in 1986 with the Saints as the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach, a role he held for 11 years before a three-year stint with the Patriots from 1997-99.
Lyle wrapped up his playing career as a versatile defensive lineman on New England's Super Bowl championship squad in 2003. Lyle joined the Jets coaching staff in 2006 and held the position of assistant strength and conditioning coach/nutrition coordinator for the past three seasons under Mangini.
Cox developed a reputation as one of the most intimidating linebackers in the NFL over his 12-year career. He played in 165 regular season games, including 144 starts, with the Dolphins (1991-95), Bears (1996-97), Jets (1998-2000), Patriots (2001) and Saints (2002).
In 2006, Cox joined Mangini on the Jets' coaching staff as the assistant defensive line coach.
Henderson was selected by New England in the second round (41st overall) of the 1991 draft out of Clemson and played eight seasons as an NFL defensive back. He played for the Patriots on two occasions (1991-93, 1996) and had stints with the Bills and Eagles before finishing his career with the Jets. Henderson also played in two Super Bowls - with the Bills in Super Bowl XXVIII and with New England in Super Bowl XXXI.
He joined the Jets in 2006 as director of player development before starting his coaching career. He was assistant defensive backs coach in 2007 before being promoted to the role of defensive backs coach for the 2008 season.
Dickerson began his NFL career with the Washington Redskins as a training camp intern in 2003 before spending the rest of the season as a graduate assistant at Tufts University. Dickerson then served as an operations intern with New England in 2004 before being hired as a full-time member of the operations staff in 2005. He spent the last three seasons with the Jets, joining the team in 2006 as a coaching assistant before being promoted to defensive quality control coach in 2007.
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Good, Bad or otherwise, things are coming together for Mangini..
Time will be the only thing that will truly tell..
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Kinda sad not to see tucker back. I thought he did a bang-up job coaching the DB's. Didn't like play calling too much, but he really helped that unit overachieve in the '07 season.
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I'm interested to see who Mangini brings on to coach the WR's. I like the Cox hire, but I'm wondering why he is coaching the DL instead of LB's? Anyway, any Browns news is good news I guess.
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Kinda sad not to see tucker back. I thought he did a bang-up job coaching the DB's. Didn't like play calling too much, but he really helped that unit overachieve in the '07 season.
Yeah, that is a shame in a way... but I guess because we have a new coach, maybe it's just as well he gets everyone he wants... Still, it's a bit of a tough loss.
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I'm glad that Tucker is gone. I didn't like the way the DB's were playing and/or progressing.
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I could care less about Tucker one way or the other, but please explain why you didn't like the DB progression.
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We would have been better off last season with a new DC but Tucker still at DB coach.
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I like the Cox hire, but I'm wondering why he is coaching the DL instead of LB's?
i thought the same. maybe he shows them how to take up blockers and let the linebackers make plays. since he thinks like a lb that was his dream come true. now all we need is 3 new lbs.
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So what do we still need?
LB coach?
Seconary coach?
WR coach?
TE coach?
RB coach?
OL coach?
Did we retain any of these guys?
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I am really really liking how our staff is coming together.
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I'm glad that Tucker is gone. I didn't like the way the DB's were playing and/or progressing.
When he was the DB coach, they played pretty well.. That's what I was referring too
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Disagree..I thought the DB's played well when Tucker was coaching them..it was mistake to promote him that fast.
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Can someone explain to me what a "Defensive Quality Control" coach does for our team? I did a quick google search, and it mentioned reviewing game film from opponents, but it also mentioned that that role could differ between organizations.
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What are the jets doing with Callahan and Schottenheimer? Are those guys in play for the browns. I really like the idea of Callahan and the added experience he offers.
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DB coach is the same as secondary as I'm sure you must know...but obviously missed. In the article it states Jerome Henderson is our new DB coach.
On Cox coaching DL and of course complaints already - Why NOT LB Coach...lol 
Cause his EXPERIENCE so far as a coach has been at DL - he can utilize his experience as a LB in those duties. Especially in a 3-4 Defense where the LBs depend on the DL to give them the opportunities to make an impact.
How to be agressive and not compromise gap responsibilities and leave your LBs holding the bag.
On the staff...we really haven't started on the Offense much. I'm wondering if Mangini is waiting for Ryan with the Jets to make some decisions on keeping and letting go some asst. coaches there.
WR, OL, RB and TE coaches are still needed.
I like Smith...he's a good right hand man for Daboll - excellent experience and is coming off of a stint as an OC himself so that he can help Daboll through some rough edges as he gets his feet wet.
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Adam "know-it-all" Schefter has reported that Rex Ryan will retain Brian Schottenheimer to stay on as the OC of the Jets. And there was speculation earlier in the week that Callahan would stay as well. From PFT...SCHOTTENHEIMER LIKELY TO STAY WITH JETS Posted by Aaron Wilson on January 22, 2009, 8:57 p.m. EST Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer is expected to stay with the New York Jets after meeting with new coach Rex Ryan and owner Woody Johnson on Thursday, a source told the Newark Star-Ledger. Citing sources close to Schottenheimer, Star-Ledger beat writer Dave Hutchinson reports that Schottenheimer has told friends that he’s likely to remain with the Jets organization because he’s under contract and is “a man of integrity.” The article also points out that Schottenheimer didn’t exactly have a lot of other intriguing employment opportunities. While it’s considered likely that the Jets would augment Schottenheimer’s contract with an extension/raise as an incentive for staying, that information hasn’t been spelled out yet. Earlier in the day, Johnson predicted that Schottenheimer wasn’t going anywhere after conducting a long conversation with the son of former NFL coach Marty Schottenheimer. “We love Brian,” Johnson said during a guest appearance on Michael Kay’s ESPN radio show, per the New York Daily News. “We think he’s an excellent coach, he’s an excellent coordinator. He comes from a superb coaching family. I believe he’s going to stay. I believe he thinks this is the best thing. He’s excited about being here. We’re excited to have him.” UPDATE: As a league source opined to us, “If ‘a man of integrity’ means pouting and then holding up the team for more money and more control, then Schottenheimer is that thing that he said he was.”  Ouch! linko
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On the staff...we really haven't started on the Offense much. I'm wondering if Mangini is waiting for Ryan with the Jets to make some decisions on keeping and letting go some asst. coaches there.
WR, OL, RB and TE coaches are still needed.
He could be waiting to snatch the cast-offs from the Jets but I'm not sure who else they're going to let go. Rex is probably down at the Senior Bowl interviewing candidates for his staff. Mangini didn't go because he didn't want to be stuck doing that. So maybe after Rex finds his guys, Mangini will find his. Not too fond of the idea of him just waiting to grab the leftovers though. Seems like he's unwilling to form relationships with anyone new and just wants to use his good 'ol boys. JMHO.
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DB coach is the same as secondary as I'm sure you must know...but obviously missed. In the article it states Jerome Henderson is our new DB coach.
Doh!
Oversight..... how the hell did I miss that. I know, it was late, and I just got done working.  I guess I wasn't paying attention.
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Not too fond of the idea of him just waiting to grab the leftovers though. Seems like he's unwilling to form relationships with anyone new and just wants to use his good 'ol boys. JMHO.
Where do you get the idea that that's what's happening? You guys act like if he worked with a guy, that that should be the last guy he wants 
How do you know he is unwilling to form new relationships? 
I love how some people can tell what other people are doing just because that's what they think.
Ever think that somewhere there is someone saying that the Jets are just keeping leftovers from the Mangini staff? Or that Jaguar fans are pissed because they are getting castoffs from the Browns?
These coaches and assisitants more than likely are all looking at the best option for themselves, money and power to be precise. The Superbowl hasn't even been played yet, but we are behind the eightball for not having all our assistants hired. 
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money and power to be precise
There it is--it has NOTHING to do with performance;....would you hire Tucker or Crennel to do anything in your company,... ??
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I agree with you, Vette! I think a good deal of the time they stunk it up good. Not blitzing didn't help either.
Maybe Tucker is all that in some opinions. I respectfully disagree, and I hope for better. I think they may be better than RAC allowed them to look for whatever reason. Several were quite bad, quite often. They will get better with better coaching and an effective scheme.
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I think EW has spent 2 years with his back to the game. Just running aroung following the receiver wherever he goes and then tackling him. He virtually never gets his head around.
His first year, up unitl the time he got hurt, he was one of the leading tacklers on the team (might have been the leader at the time of his injury) and it was all because (well, almost all) because he was tackling his receiver.
I didn't like the way we gave the wr's SOooo much space so much of the time. If I were the opponents OC I would've thrown quick outs to the wr's until our D did something different.
Hopefully our NEW D coaches can teach better then the ones we had.
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