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Put up a pay pal button to help with the site. If you do, I will set up an account and send you some money.
Show up at a game and I will hand you some cash. I am usually handing out $10-20 cash anyway to keep people in plates/cups/propane/booze...it is alot easier for me to do that then it is to lug stuff across 3 states. I would give you double and call it even.
Navy...even if he makes some money...so what?? That is the American way isn't it? I personally wouldn't mind if he made enough to buy a couple of decent season tickets each year for his use and maybe to pass out to some of the refs for the work they put in. As long as what you donate seems fair to you, it doesn't really matter how much the site brings in.
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A counter would work...and it would help him keep things right side up as far as tax liabilities...start bringing in to much money and you have a new set of problems if not handled properly.
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My vote is for the Counter idea.. I say just ask for Donations.. If you state the rules off hand that you will receive no special treatment for donating, then that will end that conversation just as bringing up rules end those conversations.
Because even if you offer subscriptions with perks, you'd still get people saying that they "pay for this site" and therefore you should do as they say..
As far as the ads/no ads go.. offering subscriptions to remove ads does nothing because adblock removes them anyways...unless you state for it not to on certain sites..
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I would say , hmmm, how much do we need for what we do to get what I like as I like it. Money makes some folks get odd, and suddenly they start "new and improvin' stuff". I pay for stuff if I want. But the amount is less than you listed. Can't imagine what "perks" (based on what is withheld from others) would ratchet me into paying yearly. I usually want to know, what are we buying for the money. I also usually ask if I need it, and is it a "now" type of need. What are we supporting? What is the overrun? Just way I approach it; not big on perks I am told are swell that I don't want. So gimmme the big picture if we are to talk about my wallet. I refuse to buy PSAs for this site. Actually, we ought to "rent-a-fan" for hangin with em and representing when they stunk so bad.  
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I'm with " Damanshot " on this one .. I would be lost without a daily dose of his " 1/2 full " opinions  ..
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I think having a donation button is a better option than charging a flat fee. Give the user the ability to choose how much is 'enough'. Keeps it fair to everyone.
This thread is a good example - some said they would pay $10/yr and others said $50/yr. Well, if you limit the option to $10/yr, you just gave up an extra $40/person that was willing to do $50.
ITA. And, as was pointed out by someone else, people may feel just as much entitlement with a subscription as a donation since the subscription is optional. I just think you would cover $150/month better with donations. You'll already be adding another expense by having to pay PayPal fees.
More food for thought, if you're dead set on subscription, which it sounds like you are -- please don't give a "discount" if we pay yearly over monthly. I would pay yearly to make my life easier, but I don't want a discount for doing so. Or, as mentioned above...just let us donate as well.
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Navy...even if he makes some money...so what?? That is the American way isn't it? I personally wouldn't mind if he made enough to buy a couple of decent season tickets each year for his use and maybe to pass out to some of the refs for the work they put in. As long as what you donate seems fair to you, it doesn't really matter how much the site brings in.
Peen, I never said I was against PPE making a profit. I just wanted to know where my money would be going, thats all.
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The ads dont bother me. Ive clicked on a couple ads to where if I hadnt, I would have never known about the product. I also click on the ads to help out. Your doing a great job PPL. Do whatever you have to do to keep a good thing going. Thanks for the site
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Host a "telethon" over the draft weekend. We can sell raffle tickets based on how much you donate. Like one ticket per $5. And we can all donate Browns merchandice to be raffled off. I have a bunch of stuff under my bed that I can send in. And that way, you can sell the exact number of tickets based on the site needs (150 $X raffle tickets = money for the year). Well, as long as Purp doesn't fly off to a 3rd world country with the money and live like a king.
I don't like the subscription idea. Special forums, special content, special people, special rules....too many potential issues. I come here because we're all in the same club as is (Browns Fans). Why create more division?
If that doesn't work out, change the ad frequency to every other 3rd post. I'm used to them now.
.....if that doesn't work............CARWASH!
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I am more than willing to give a few dollars to support this site. I don't care about the subscription part, but if you decide to go that route, I suggest only a few extra perks, not a different forum or anything like that.
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j/c is there a time limit on to when this need's to be done? I see a lot of good responce's in the thread, but nothing on when this need's to be done. To me, im for what ever it take's to keep this board up & running I know there was a handful of us on line to the verry end of the old board and discussing the possability of getting this board up and running. What ever it takes ppe, im there.
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I would much rather see a donation type thing than a subscription deal. It's easy, no fuss. Put up a link for people to donate. If they want to support this site, fine. Nobody needs anything special, and if you are nosy and cynical about how it's being spent....don't give!
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If I get kicked off the board, I don't want to have paid for it in advance
I know you were kidding around, but that does kinda bring up a point.
If Purp goes to a system by which once a year we pay a set amount,,,10, 20 bucks,,whatever.. Would someone that got the boot request a refund, and if so, would they have a legal right to expect one or recourse to get it back.
Just a question better answered by someone with a law degree..... Peen, are you listening 
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No money back. You know that up front, so either give or don't. No special treatment or refunds. Why do people have to make things so much harder than they really need to be? 
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Why do people have to make things so much harder than they really need to be?
It's only those that think they might get in trouble that worry about refunds. 
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I hope you don't think I am a part of that group. 
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Why do people have to make things so much harder than they really need to be?
It's only those that think they might get in trouble that worry about refunds.
Actually the refund part is a good point about subscriptions.. People are more likely to request a refund from say a subscription as opposed to a donation... But either way, people can get uppity about giving money thinking they are more special than those who don't..
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I was just going to ask that...as I too am like Peen...a Cheap Old ... who refuses to pay for sites...
Can there be a dual standard board. Those who pay don't get the ad manager thingy.
Those who don't pay do. Also I see you would be looking to add some other perks to the subscribers...just like some other sites...membership with privileges.
That makes sense and it would leave nobody out. Especially us Cheap old guys.
I remember when all the sites were free...thems were the good old days. SI, ESPN, etc...then it became like the banks learning from the Mafia. All of a sudden there is Points, etc...lol 
The other thing I was going to ask...If I pay and get banned then what?
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Do you accept VISA?? I have come to/post on this board even when it was on the old board.( i did so under another moniker) I would like to help out. It isn't right that you have to go in the red just to keep this site going. I see you use Google, does Amazon or any other retailer do the same? Specifically one that alot of board users use?
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Can there be a dual standard board. Those who pay don't get the ad manager thingy.
Those who don't pay do.
In its simplest form, that is precisely what this will be. If you dont' sign-up, nothing changes. If you do sign-up... then Ads go away.
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Then you're banned and you are out whatever you paid. It's not a being greedy thing or being miserly or whatever... if nothing else its a logistics thing.
All payments will go through PayPal... I will not directly handle any transaction. PayPal will do all of that and will notify the site of the results.... "SUCCESS" or "FAILED".
Also, that means that I cannot cancel a payment for someone or issue direct refunds, that would have to go back through them as I will not ever have direct access to any billing or payment info. If you signed up for an auto-renewing membership and wanted it cancelled halfway through so that it didn't renew, you'd have to go through PayPal to do it, then PayPal would notify the site that you cancelled and they would stop charging payments.... I couldn't do it for you, again, because I will have no access to any information except that "Transaction # 6215367 for UserID 62153 was successful". I will not have any actual finanacial, billing or otherwise sensitive information off of which to issue a refund. Essentially, at this time, I do not even know how a refund would happen.
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All payments will be handled in a fully automated way by PayPal, so Yes.... Visa, MC, AMEX, Checks, Money Orders, Cash and even "Send Me a Bill" works (of course, nothing would be activated until the bill was paid).
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Sorry I even mentioned that in jest.
Of course people aren't going to get their money back....you violate the terms of agreement, then you are out the cash....that is just the way it works without getting in to a bunch of boring details.
Go read the death of Mr. Common Sense thread.......he isn't that dead yet.
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I would like to help out. It isn't right that you have to go in the red just to keep this site going.
I can't imagine ANYONE wants prp to go in the red to keep this place going.
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Another site I frequent is voluntary donation. He has a paypal link and a "donation meter" so you can see how much is needed.
Now granted its a smaller board and most of us have been playing online games for many years together, so we chip in, and when the coffers are full we wait til they get low, then someone else steps up to the plate, and there's a few that just don't have the resources so no one complains. It's for the benefit of all.
But maybe a paypal link and a meter would push people to give $5-10 bucks here or there, and you'd be surprised at how much you can raise when it's for something people use and enjoy.
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Sorry I even mentioned that in jest.
Of course people aren't going to get their money back....you violate the terms of agreement, then you are out the cash....that is just the way it works without getting in to a bunch of boring details.
Go read the death of Mr. Common Sense thread.......he isn't that dead yet.
No, not at all 'Peen... I know someone, somewhere, would probably actually question this, so it's good to get it out in the open and completely up-front.
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How about for donations above $10, we get a Dawgtalkers t-shirt with the logo on the front, and your cheesy mug on the back.
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How about for donations above $10, we get a Dawgtalkers t-shirt with the logo on the front, and your cheesy mug on the back.
I would rather have Sheps
Seriously though, selling Dawg Talkers T shirts might be a cool money maker. I would definitely buy one.
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How about for donations above $10, we get a Dawgtalkers t-shirt with the logo on the front, and your cheesy mug on the back.
...... and for $30 and above ..... we get the t-shirt minus the cheesy mug.
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I like the T-shirt idea. $10 might only cover the cost of the making though...it would have to be $20 or higher. Any other ideas?
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Thanks Prpl.. you answered most of my questions.. the number 1 question I had about a subscription site was that this site is made far more interesting by folks who stop by on game week from other teams, they aren't likely to pay just for one week to stop in and say hello.. you said they can still do that for free, so that's cool. As far as more perks, I can't think of any that I would need but I'd still join, assuming the fee wasn't too much, just to keep things running smoothly. And if you go the donation route, I'll kick in some cash there too... I can understand some of the other options might be good options for raising money, like autioning off stuff or linking to a store... but I wonder if the folks who want to do those things are interested in spending the time it takes to set it up and manage it?  Plus, they don't seem like a real steady stream of money and could fluctuate wildly, then somebody has to manage the cash flow issues... Whatever is easiest for you since you do this FOR FREE already..... Count me in with whatever you decide....
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I would, and will throw a $20 your way to help out for the year.
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I like the T-shirt idea. $10 might only cover the cost of the making though...it would have to be $20 or higher. Any other ideas?
Yeah it was partially an idea, partially a joke. I just threw out the $10 thing ( no, I don't want your goofy mug on it Purp ).
You could probably take any kind of donation, but anything over $20 could get a DT tee. I wouldn't think it'd cost you more than $10-12 for one.
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ou could probably take any kind of donation, but anything over $20 could get a DT tee. I wouldn't think it'd cost you more than $10-12 for one.
Sounds good, now do you want to set this up, go to the t-shirt print company every time to pick up orders, handle the billing and shipping? How about handling returns because people got the wrong sizes?
Not so easy anymore, now is it? This isn't a business, it's a message board. the idea is to make things easier for Purp, not harder.
Now i'm not speaking for Purp, i'm just throwing my opinion in there. I think t-shirts sounds like a fine idea, but it's complicated and probably the wrong route. May be someone else can undertake the task? And I am not nominating myself................
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Well, it kind of started off as a joke.
I wasn't telling him that he had to do it. We ain't twisting his arm. Or his nipples.
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I would buy a cool Dawgtalkers T-shirt in a heartbeat. Shirts can be specially made fairly cheaply as long as you order enough. The majority of the money goes to making the artwork. So the more you get made the less per unit cost.
Another idea might be to contact the guys at www.cle.scout.com. I see their Browns insider articles and consider joining but just can't convince myself of the worth. What if you came to an arrangement with them where you set up a link and anyone who becomes an insider with them through this website gets you a cut? Not sure what would be a fair split - guess that depends on your negotiating skills. It would benefit both websites. They get more insiders and increased income and you get support for our website.
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Why don't we all just donate what we feel we can and that's it? No t-shirts, no "subscriptions", no perks. Just donate what you feel this site is worth to you. My guess is we could cover an entire year within a very short time.
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Can we pay him in meatballs?
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I'm beginning to worry about you, 017. 
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