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Sounds like Boldin is pretty upset with things at the Cardinals... Let's bring him here! I'd much rather have him than Edwards!
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J.J. Arrington talks about Anquan Boldin's feud with Todd HaleyTags: NFL, Arizona Cardinals, J.J. Arrington, Anquan Boldin
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GLENDALE, Ariz. -- The Arizona Cardinals used only one receiver on nine of their final 14 plays in the NFC Championship Game.
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Anquan Boldin was not that receiver.
Initial evidence suggests Boldin wasn't too happy with the situation.
As teammates streamed into the Cardinals' locker room after the 32-25 victory over the Philadelphia Eagles, Boldin was seen leaving out the back door.
The two-time Pro Bowler was asked if an NFC championship helped alleviate any ill feelings he had toward the team.
"That's not an issue," Boldin said, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. "Like I told you guys at the beginning of the season, my main goal was to do this. I've come through with all of my promises. I fought. I gave my heart to this organization. It's paying off."
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The Arizona Cardinals defeat the Philadelphia Eagles 32-25 in the NFC Championship Game.
Late in the game, cameras showed Boldin arguing with offensive coordinator Todd Haley on the sideline. Once the game ended, Boldin left the field quickly without celebrating.
In the locker room, Haley dismissed the sideline interaction as part of the game. He described himself as emotional.
"Just the emotions of the game," Haley said. "We're emotional guys. Like I said, I wear my heart on my sleeve and that's the way I go about business and I have to deal with that on a full-time basis."
Cameras also showed Haley and quarterback Kurt Warner in heated conversation, but Warner and Haley have a strong history.
Warner has even joked about spending so much time speaking with Haley that his wife has suspected the quarterback might be having an affair.
But Boldin's relationship with the team has been more contentious, stemming from a contract dispute.
Boldin even requested a trade in August, saying he didn't feel his situation could be resolved and declaring he has no relationship with coach Ken Whisenhunt.
Boldin has three years left on the four-year, $22.75 million extension he signed after the 2005 season that keeps him under contract through 2010. He's making an average of
$4 million a year.
Information from ESPN.com's Mike Sando and The Associated Press was used in this report.
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I saw that. I would rather have Todd Haley though.
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This really let me down.
Arizona goes off and plays a wonderful football game, is going to the super bowl and he is arguing with his OC and then doesnt celebrate?
If youre not happy to be going to the SB with a team, youll never be happy. Skip this guy
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Exactly !....The last thing we need as we start over again is another guy with a chip on his shoulder who is not a team player......
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I agree and I agree with wanting Todd Haley as WR coach.
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furthermore who's to say that Haley wasnt thinking about preserving Boldin's health. I mean the guy wasnt even expected to play in the first place.
Be ready for the big one. If you got the W in hand, be ready for the next one.
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I agree that his attitude stinks. - I'd still trade Braylon for him. - Boldin can catch.
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I agree that his attitude stinks. - I'd still trade Braylon for him. - Boldin can catch.
True, you'd have more of the same problem, but much less of one part of the other,.... 
I'll still pass. Not my kind of guy.
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Would you trade Braylon for him straight up?
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no way. A new coach and new attitude can fix Braylon. You cant fix selfish.
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I agree there are obvious warning signs with Boldin. However, I would trade #17 for him.
1. Boldin is one of if not the best WR at going over the middle for a catch.
2. He broke his face, came back as quickly as possible and proceeded to continue on his excellent season. He even applauded the defender for a good, clean hit and showed no signs of hesitation when he came back.
3. He is a great crack-back blocker on outside runs. Not quite Hines Ward, but he is a good one.
4. He had issues with management in the preseason, said he would just play through the year and see what happens. And did.
5. After this flap with the OC on the sidelines, both he and the OC have said that it's just football and nothing personal. Neither seems to be taking it as something that will carry on. Things get emotional, but when the whistle ends, it's over. Both seem to be taking it as such.
6. He is the perfect #1 WR for the WCO. Well, he could stand to be slightly shiftier (Jerry Rice is techincally the best WR for WCO), but he is big, fast and willing to go over the middle on shorter routes to get the ball. Perfect for Quinn's development.
7. #17 has his own me-first issues.
I think either player can do well here in Cleveland, but with our suspected new offense, I would prefer Boldin. And it would give Boldin and #17 a chance for a fresh start. Now, I doubt Az would do it (since #17 and Fitz would want to run the same types of deeper routes).
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Never posted one like this on the board before: "We gotta ignore and avoid this guy!" Some seem to debate a dumb issue like whether or not it is too much poison in your one and only waterhole, like there are "safe" EPA limits for carbon tet, mercury, arsenic, etc. This me first crap is a cancer. They don't all require surgery, but geeeeeeez! I want Fitzgerald (I think it's his name); that man is a warrior! That is the bar I want to measure KWDos and BE (oops!) against. Takes a lot of shine off a darn near perfect game to run away & sulk. Shameful to see.  
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Geez.. if that's the way he sees it.. They should bench him during the Super Bowl.. It's not like he wants to be there in the first place.. What they heck more can you have?
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Goodness, I'd swear we were having a conversation about a guy that was caught on tape kicking a puppy. What did he say that was so awful? Quote:
The two-time Pro Bowler was asked if an NFC championship helped alleviate any ill feelings he had toward the team.
"That's not an issue," Boldin said, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. "Like I told you guys at the beginning of the season, my main goal was to do this. I've come through with all of my promises. I fought. I gave my heart to this organization. It's paying off."
I don't see the negativity. And if he was leaving when people were coming off the field, how did they get the quote? He wouldn't have had the time to talk to reporters.
And who knows what Todd and Anquan said to each other. Maybe he wanted to be put in the game, Todd told him to sit his oft-injured butt on then bench and Anquan got pissed. He's put in a TON of effort for that team and wanted to be out there with the game on the line. I'm not saying he has a right to play no matter the situation....but he's got a right to be mad about sitting on the bench if he felt he could have helped.
Sorry, I don't see this as a me-first attitude. Just a guy that practically died on the field this past season that wanted in the game to help his team. That's "me-first"?
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Straight up ? No. Braylon does not (yet) have as poor an attitude problem as this guy has.
Him and a pick ? Maybe. I'm just not a FA guy.
I guess I'd want another year to get Braylon straight.
I dunno; where is the damned GM AT ?????? He gets paid to make these calls, not me.
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Does anyone else think it's odd that this comes out two weeks before the Superbowl?
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Ok here's the deal.
Fox caught Boldin and the OC (Haley) arguing on the sideline during the NFC championship game. Because Boldin had issues with management during the pre-season, the media blows this up as if Boldin quit on the team or something (watch the tape, he clearly gave his all every play he played).
However, Warner has also been caught a couple times this season having the same type of heated discussions with Haley. That is just Haley's style to get heated and emotional. Warner and Haley seem to have no issues going forward just as Haley and Boldin seem to have no issues going forward.
Boldin wants to be in there giving his all...he got heated because he was sat on the bench. He will come to play in 2 weeks and during practice as it is reported that he always does.
Don't label Boldin the next TO quite yet.
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Me I've trying to tell anyone and everyone who will listen...I would love to trade KW2 to Zona for Boldin.
1. On KW2's behalf...the weather is dry and good for his knees - I think he spends a lot of the off season working out there???
2. Pope is a big sucker but not a playmaker that KW2 would be in their offense and more of a compliment to LF than Boldin.
3. KW2 has acquired the Devil as his agent...ever since he has been rumbling about a new contract (payday for the agent). Those rumbles will intensify.
4. I love KW2's game day energy but quite frankly the guy has no aptitude for the football classroom. After 2 years he still didn't know where to line up and was not disciplined in his route running. So much so that he was void of such special units like the 2 minute drill.
5. There are many, many talented TE's coming out of college now. It seems every team has one where it use to be One out of 50 had one as a play maker...the other 49 an extra blocker.
6. Boldin has some issues but he would be the Air star in our Offense. He is so good with his inside routes and catches the ball in traffic. Excellent hands and a good route runner - also a very good blocker as well. All he wants is to be paid as a top 5 WR in the NFL.
7. BE is in his final contract year. Although I don't think he hates it here...I don't think he loves it here either. He will stay but it will probably have to be for THE TOP WR contract in the NFL. I don't think we are going to remotely want to play what he is going to want.
8. Boldin I think is better and more consistent. This will give us leverage with BE.
9. With BE as our only WR weapon we must keep him this season...probably losing him in 2010 as a FA and not get any compensation. With Boldin we could afford to trade him prior to the draft or on draft day. Thus not lose him with no compensation after this season.
10. I know its a lot of variables involved and the odds of them happening are Slim to NONE but sharing my Brain Farts with ya all. Especially when they don't stink 
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Let's take a look at the latest ESPN article: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3843834Quote:
"I was not given any explanation why I was taken out," Boldin said Monday, during an interview on ESPN's NFL Live, when asked what led to the sideline confrontation. "Like any competitor I wanted to know why."
Asked if he had any issues with Haley, Boldin said, "Not a problem at all. I'm committed to this team ... one goal in mind ... to win the Super Bowl. That's why I came back early from the facial injury. You don't get this opportunity all the time."
Boldin sat out last week's playoff game against Carolina with a strained hamstring that he suffered in Arizona's 30-24 wild-card victory over Atlanta on Jan. 3. Asked Monday what he was told on the sideline, Boldin said, "They said I was not in position to run like they wanted me to. I felt fine the entire game."
Asked about the different formations, Haley told the Arizona Republic: "We changed personnel groups out there and I put Steve Breaston in for [Boldin]," Haley said, "and he was upset about it."
As for leaving early...this doesn't sound me-first:
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"I didn't leave through a back door. I tried to get in and out as quickly as possible to beat the media," he said. "I didn't want the story line to be me and Todd getting into it."
And Warner and Haley apparently got into it during the same game (I have seen it earlier this season...missed it on Sunday:
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"That's a normal thing that happens," Whisenhunt said Monday. "It happened in the first quarter with Todd and Kurt on the sidelines. It happened with a couple of our defensive players and our defensive coaches. It's an emotional game. Yesterday was one of the most emotional you'll play in."
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Can we now stop trying to bury a hard-working, gritty WR who despite contract issues with management, actually decided to take the high road and just play as well as he could and even came back early from getting his face broken?
As for trading #17 for Boldin....again, I would in a heartbeat...but I doubt Arizona would.
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3. KW2 has acquired the Devil as his agent...ever since he has been rumbling about a new contract (payday for the agent). Those rumbles will intensify
Now that right there is a good reason to trade him.
But who is Boldin's agent,...?
And he REALLY ain't gonna want to leave after they beat the Steelers, JMO.
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Well said. I agree. The guy had his jaw broken and was playing 2 weeks later.
Hardly the actions of a "Me First" guy, IMO.
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Would you trade Braylon for him straight up?
Straight up ? Yep I think Braylon is what he is. I really don't see him getting any better and he's got his share of drama. I really don't want him back but right now we have no options. Maybe the old change of scenery thing will help both these guys.
On the other hand, isn't this Braylons contract year? Maybe he's smart enough to know he better shape up or the moneys going to dry up.I'd sure hate to see him park his Rolls because he couldn't afford the gas. 
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When I first heard he had contract issues I thought it might be a good idea, but now with Winslow, and possibly BE unhappy with their contract, I don't think it would be a good idea to bring in another dissident.
Personally I am hoping we do a little house cleaning as a means to grab hold of a few more draft picks!!!!!
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I agree that his attitude stinks. - I'd still trade Braylon for him. - Boldin can catch.
I would give a straight up trade some serious thought for the simple reason Boldin catches with his hands and is therefore much more reliable.
However, this is BE's last year on his contract isn't it? Typically, slackers tend to have career years in the last year of a contract so I suspect BE might have his act together. But this leads to the next problem, do you then break the bank on him and resign him if he does?
I am leaning toward using him for picks.....Crabtree anyone?
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Eotab, Absolutely, KW2 or BE for Boldin IMHO. 
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Would you trade Braylon for him straight up?
Straight up ? No. Braylon does not (yet) have as poor an attitude problem as this guy has.
Him and a pick ? Maybe. I'm just not a FA guy.
I guess I'd want another year to get Braylon straight.
I dunno; where is the damned GM AT ?????? He gets paid to make these calls, not me.
KW2 and BE for Pope and AB? In a heartbeat!
What Braylon doesn't have is two things...first he doesn't have the mental toughness to consistently catch the ball. Second, he has quit on routes and not played CB on SEVERAL occasions. You can see him sulking...he doesn't have the heart to consistently be a number one on any team unless that team ALWAYS throws him the ball and ALWAYS is winning. As much as I dislike Hines Ward, I bet Parker has 200 extra yards this year because of Hines or other good WR blocking.
I'm not so sold on Pope but I think KW2 is an injury liability and that BE is an on-field liability.
Atleast Boldin wasn't dogging it on the field. Haynes took him out because he could only be a decoy for so long. Once the Eagles figured out he was a lame horse they could focus more on Fitz (AB - 4 for 30-some yards and a drop he would have turned into 6 during the game).
The media was right in his whining about his contract but they are blowing this situation out of proportion.
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Anquan is a very nice football player. He is hurt and banged up a lot because he gives it his all on every play. I could think of several scenarios to send the Cards, to acquire this guy, and a change of scenery might help as it did with Rogers.
I cannot see Winslow or Edwards being here after their contracts are up..Winslow will leave no matter if we match any offer..He just doesn't want to be here. Edwards will get a contract offer for more than he is worth and the Browns are willing to pay, (Stallworth) and he will leave. I would not be mad or sad to see either leave, because it is more about them than it is about the Browns. That might change with Edwards during his career, but Winslow will always be a "what about me guy" IMO. He is young and doesn't realize that Nobody owes him nothing, but he acts like we are lucky to have him here and should be paid more for being HERE. Hopefully Mangini can get a new attitude instilled, if not I don't care what your name is...get outta here. The way this team folded last year was sick, and I hope that attitude doesn't carry over and become contagious to the new guys and young guys.
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Call me stupid but who is Pope? Is he the TE for the Cardinals? If so, I don't think we need any TE's right now. I think we are good with Heiden, Rucker and Dinkins. It will be interesting to see if the Genius agrees.
Now I would like to see us pair up Edwards and Winslow in a trade to Arizona for Anquan Boldin and Karlos Dansby!? Draft Rey Rey from USC to play next to Jackson in the middle. Cross our fingers that Ryan and Co. can help resurrect Wimbley's career. Maybe draft a player like Brian Robiskie in the 3rd or 4th round to help add depth to a WR core that would include Boldin, hopefully Jurevicius, Cribbs, and possibly Stallworth. I know it's wishful thinking but that's all I have right now..
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You want wishful thinking? Here is mine.. Somehow get Houshmanzadeh Somehow get Julius Peppers Draft Jenkins or Smith with the #5 Draft McCoy with 2nd round. If your gonna dream, dream big  Of course that still leaves us with a hole at ILB
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It's sad that this guy gets the buzz of the day instead of the Cardinal who most deserves it, Adrian Wilson.
Wilson is one of the - if not the - most unheralded players in the NFL and he deserves every second of this. If those on this thread want to label a player as 'gritty' or 'hard working', save it for the longest-tenured Cardinal, not the guy who threw a temper-tantrum instead of celebrating with his teammates.
And there's no way I'd trade Boldin for BE straight up. No way.
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Adrian Wilson may be the best safety in the NFL. I would very much, with ease rank him right along with (not behind...not really in front but right with) Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu because he is just good all the time.
I hope they get one, for him alone...I mean Kurt and Fitzgerald too, but Adrian Wilson deserves it most.
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Somehow get Houshmanzadeh
Somehow get Julius Peppers
Draft Jenkins or Smith with the #5
Draft McCoy with 2nd round.
If your gonna dream, dream big
Of course that still leaves us with a hole at ILB
Jenkins and Peppers would PROBABLY make the current LB'er situation tolerable,..i.e. they'd all form some chemistry and play better. McCoy would give you the run game, that by definition, would improve the defense's ability to play,....clock, rest, etc. The real anxiety in the above scenario is, there is no obvious upgrade to the OLine,....just an observation.
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Somehow get Houshmanzadeh
Somehow get Julius Peppers
Draft Jenkins or Smith with the #5
Draft McCoy with 2nd round.
If your gonna dream, dream big
Of course that still leaves us with a hole at ILB
Jenkins and Peppers would PROBABLY make the current LB'er situation tolerable,..i.e. they'd all form some chemistry and play better. McCoy would give you the run game, that by definition, would improve the defense's ability to play,....clock, rest, etc. The real anxiety in the above scenario is, there is no obvious upgrade to the OLine,....just an observation.
Otherwise,...not bad dude !
I personally would rather upgrade many spots from 35-53 on our roster with our little salary cap room (I have seen projected ~$15mil) rather than use it all up on Housh and Peppers. Not too mention I don't think we could get Housh, Peppers and our #5 pick all under that cap number.
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Yea I know I said it was a dream. My main thing was since this is a Boldin thread was just to point out if we were gonna go after a big money WR I would take TJ over him. JMO
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That (the cap room) is why it would be great to sign Peppers (or Housh) to "performance" short term deals, rather than long(er) ones,....hopefully less expensive. ?? "Take us to the NFL Championship Game, and then we'll renegotiate." I believe Housh could do as well a job as necessary as Boldin, assuming Edwards was not lost in a trade deal. It could take some pressure off him,....maybe he'd play better. Still, all just a big crap shoot. I envision Mangini wanting to go to a ball, clock, and field position control game, i.e. not concerning himself with getting a Boldin/Housh type WR. Key word----ENVISION,..... Now, if he sells the farm to go West Coast,...whatever. You still have to be able to run the ball. Just my vision,.... 
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If it was up to me to decide, I wouldn't look at someone that has complained. A key to success seems to be not having players like that on your team. New England can do it, but we don't have the enviroment to quell attitudes right now.
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That's why Housh would be a consideration. Never became his roommate, Oxco ChinkaMo.
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