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You know, it really disturbs me how we manage to blow so many of those games after feeling so good after plays like that.

That would have been a great video had it not kept going and showed us losing 10 yards on 2nd and 1 because Joey Porter sacked the QB.

We have seen too little of the first part of the video and too much of the latter.

Anybody listen to Mike & Mike on ESPN radio this morning? They made up a football team of the best players at every position to NOT play in a Super Bowl in the Super Bowl era.

K2 was the starting tight end w/ Gonzo as his backup.

Yipeee . . .

j/c

Here's my take. I think it came down to Lerner deciding between Savage and Winslow. The two were not going to be able to co-exist. It took a few hours after the season ended to get our answer. Winslow will remain a brown.

Did his dad play in a SB? Maybe they were listing Winslow ONE???
didn't catch them today and missed it.

bigfoot...I don't know for sure cause I wasn't privy to any meetings. But I seriously doubt the KW2 friction with Savage had anything to do with him getting fired. It wasn't one or the other. KW2 isn't a Franchise Game Breaker...like if he had a falling out with Peyton Manning or something.

Plus KW2 was so in the wrong in that whole situation.

Savage was fired cause Randy didn't like or trust the direction he wanted to lead us to. Whether Randy was right or wrong I guess doesn't matter now.

JMHO

We need to keep Winslow.

~thats all for now.

Hmmm...

I really don't expect him to be here as he does have trade value, or could garner some picks.

Despite his great hands he can't/won't block, and plays dumb, making alot of costly penalties.

The more teams with an interest the better for us!

Personally, because our D is lacking speed and instinct at LB, I would garner all the picks I could, unless I could get a decent LB in exchange.

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But you know, this kind of thing has happened before where a player gets a bit to big for the team, clashes with the coach and the next thing you know- coach is gone.

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Which NFL team has this happened to???

i knew i would get that - so i'll say the Browns
i'll have to ponder that one- and yes, i realize the NBA and the NFL are different leagues. But you still have to deal with the pro athletes and the egos. I gave up on the NBA long ago, all about "me" and not so much about the "team".

OK, Looking at the NFL teams that had a coaching change this year, nothing really pops out at me. Dallas probably comes close to this, Romo, TO and Witten have been outspoken and fueding. The defense pointing fingers and the D-coordinator getting fired. But they don't come out and say the coach sucks and Jones did not make a headcoaching change (yet)- IMO he should have acted quickly at the end of the season, now, he needs to ride it out another year.

So going back to last year, i think i found an example. Atlanta. I certainly don't follow them enough to give names- but that thing was a train wreck. The players quit, the locker room was feuding, there were no leaders and the coach walked, mid-season no less. Sure, he wasn't "technically" fired but it was a bad situation and a coaching change was probably inevitable. Could add the dolphins in there as well, Cam Cameron got one year. Defense bickering with the offense, players quit...

How often have we heard it said that the coach lost control of the locker room and a change was needed. In most NFL years, this is usually the case. This year it seemed that coaches were blind sided and fired unexpectedly- that is not the norm.

Anyways, thats my take on the Winslow thing. Savage and him were not going to coexist. Savage traded up for a TE last year, i doubt that sat well with Winslow. And one still has to ask was that really a need- only if Savage had long range plans to move Winslow or doubted his health. Otherwise, that pick could have went elsewhere- like a lb or db.

Atlanta and Dolphins??? Big time stretch there....lol

Atlanta their guy LEFT...he wasn't ridden out. Almost all the criticism came after he walked. Actually a bulk of it was that the players bought into the system and the guy quit on them.

Dolphins...they got Parcells and he simply cleaned house. I don't remember the players having major - Its either the Coach or ME issues. If anyone came close and it wasn't really close it was Jason Taylor and he was let go by Parcells anyway.

Actually the only thing that resembles a players mutiny actually is one that was pretty recent and that was regarding the Gruden situation. But it was far from ONE player pulling a power struggle...it was the majority of the team lost respect for Gruden.

JMHO

Atlanta was a train wreck, not a stretch. who was the defensive guy that got benched, questioned the coach, got released, filed a grievance---and i think he was back on the team this year ---Jackson rings a bell, but like i said, don't follow them. Crumpler was ticked as well. Thats an offensive and defensive guy that questioned the coach.

Anyways, this point is much easier to make in the NBA. How many coaches did Garnett go thru?

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Anyways, this point is much easier to make in the NBA. How many coaches did Garnett go thru?

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Yes, much easier to make examples from the NBA......I guess. I don't follow it and you said you don't either. And it's apples and oranges, which is why I asked for NFL examples. The ones you provided don't add up........

Bobby Petrino left because he was 3-10 and his QB was in prison.....

I agree EO....Petrino wasn't ridden out of town. He has Saben syndrome...he went to the NFL and decided college was the place to be....add in his qb ended up on the wrong side of the law,it was a pretty easy choice when the SEC came calling.

apples to oranges..... in the end, we'll never really know what happened or what "differences in mangament" really inferred. Just thought i would throw my take on it out there, its something to think about. Thats the beauty of this board, sometimes someone has a different spin on things that i had not concidered. It would be fun to sit in on some of these private meetings and see exactly what the entire thought process/plan is..... anyways, thats all i have on this topic.