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The way I see it, this is no different than the Brady Quinn fans who wanted Derek Anderson to fail.
Inexcusable. This is our country, just like the Browns are our team.
Not trying to be harsh but in saying this, you prove you have no concept of the context in which this was said.
You're exactly right in your assumption that it's just like Brady vs. DA, you're just wrong in your conclusion. Using your analogy, the reason why people wanted Anderson to fail wasn't because they hated him and wanted to see Brady, it was because they didn't think Anderson would lead us to a Super Bowl and seeing him replaced gives us a better chance. However, the ultimate goal for both sides of the issue was to have the Browns win in the long run.
Rush is saying the same thing here. He believes that conservativism is the way for America to succeed, so he wants to see liberalism fail in order for conservativism to replace it. He doesn't want Obama to destroy the country, he wants to see Obama fail because he believes that if he succeeds, he WILL destroy the country with liberal policies. Agree or disagree, that's all he's saying. Just like both sides of the issue before wanted the Browns to succeed, both sides of the issue here want America to succeed.
When you view it like that, suddenly it's not controversial at all, it's just that he wants to see his preference in government as opposed to those against his view.
I know how Rush operates and he absolutely meant to say it like that... there was no foot in the mouth here. Like him or not, he's a brilliant businessman and he wanted to say this in such a way anyone who doesn't know the whole story (like the media) will jump to false conclusions and bash him while those that do know the whole story will think the other side is nuts for overreacting. No matter what, it's great publicity for him that will help him strengthen his audience against his enemies... and you're helping. 
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What many want to fail is what they "label" as liberalism, when in fact, what they are wanting to fail is "The American Dream". Where an American can go out, get a job, own a home and raise a family.
Some feel, in order to be "qualified" for "The American Dream", you must have a college degree, wear a suit, own your own business or sit behind a desk. And to hell with everybody else!
Bust unions, take away workers rights, stop minimum wage increases and so on.......
We went through that period in our history once already. But nobody learns anything from it. What you're really asking for? (even though many don't realise it)
Trouble, social unrest, crime (coming to YOUR neighborhood), work stoppages soup kitchens and depression. At which point, your portfolios, your businesses and YOUR families will suffer.
So in a way, since so many are naive as to the actuallity of what "they're wishing for", I kind of hope you get it. Don't mind if I sit back chuckling just a little if you do.......
You're the one always criticizing the use of scare tactics and here you are using them yourself.
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Now, your going to claim you don't want Obama to fail just his policies, but can you separate a President from his policies? A President is defined by his policies, actions and beliefs, therefore, IMO, your attempting to have it both ways, which I refuse to accept.
I don't think the problem is so much separating a President from his policies (because I don't think you can) as it is separating the President from the Nation.... I want the nation to succeed as I'm sure we all do. I think Obama's policies, in some cases, are counterproductive to that happening so if Obama passes his policies he will be viewed as a success, in the long term if they don't work, the nation will have failed.
It's like this (not that this will happen) but if Obama got virtually NONE of his initiatives passed in his first 4 years but 4 years from now terrorism was as under control as could be expected and the economy was booming and we were all driving affordable fuel efficient vehicles which were made in America, would he be viewed as a success? He probably would be, even though none of it was based on his initiatives....
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BUT, yes, I can seperate a president from his policies. Especially when a presidents policies have been tried and failed before.
You answered quite well for me. 
Wrath. LOL. When you guys go at it it's good old fashioned arguing. When I do it it's wrath. 
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What many want to fail is what they "label" as liberalism, when in fact, what they are wanting to fail is "The American Dream". Where an American can go out, get a job, own a home and raise a family.
Some feel, in order to be "qualified" for "The American Dream", you must have a college degree, wear a suit, own your own business or sit behind a desk. And to hell with everybody else!
Bust unions, take away workers rights, stop minimum wage increases and so on.......
We went through that period in our history once already. But nobody learns anything from it. What you're really asking for? (even though many don't realise it)
Trouble, social unrest, crime (coming to YOUR neighborhood), work stoppages soup kitchens and depression. At which point, your portfolios, your businesses and YOUR families will suffer.
So in a way, since so many are naive as to the actuallity of what "they're wishing for", I kind of hope you get it. Don't mind if I sit back chuckling just a little if you do.......
You're the one always criticizing the use of scare tactics and here you are using them yourself.
And obviously the best way to avoid this horrendous fate is to turn as much control and oversight as possible over to the federal government so that some day our grand kids can strive to achieve state sponsored mediocrity... 
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I want the policies that will HURT our countries to not be approved by Congress, thus "failing".
Let me get this right Coach... if the President of the US attempts to put in place a policy, but Congress disapproves of it, then the Policy Failed?
How could something that didn't get enacted fail?
That holds true for a policy you like as well.
If I buy new boots,,, but my wife won't let me wear them,,, did the boots fail?
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The good news is that we've been here before and came out the other side better for it... The trouble is, we didn't learn from it. Thus we are here again.
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What I am trying to say is that I want Obama to fail in getting some of his policies through Congress. Thus, I want Obama to "fail" to put in place the policies that will hurt our country. Does that make more sense?
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Whats the over/under on When Ammo will demand an apology ....
It will come before he apologizes to us on the right for comparing us to typical neo-nazis.
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Points for honesty. Love that. Open mouth, insert foot and swallow whole. He's a true CONservative and hypocrite who loved Bush no end and is still sore that McCain, even though he sold his soul and sacrificed any assemblence to who or what he really is got creamed in November and now the Democrats have control of the House and Senate and will undo, or at least attempt to undo all that Bush and his cronies managed to screw up royally.
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I didn't see where he talked about race at all Phil
LIMBAUGH: We are being told that we have to hope he succeeds, that we have to bend over, grab the ankles, bend over forward, backward, whichever, because his father was black, because this is the first black president.
This is actually the hottest of the air, fair worse than the other stuff. It's almost a mirror of his McNabb comments, where IIRC, he said that McNabb was overrated, only because the masses wanted to see a black QB succeed.
I believe he said the Media wanted to see a black QB succeed so they were overrating McNabb.
I don't find both the McNabb comment and his current comment about Obama racist. I don't agree with his comment, but they arn't racist.
(Not that I'm saying you are calling them racist, you could be but that's not what I'm saying)
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Pitt, dude...long time reader of the board, and I lost some respect you for on your last post (even though you were joking at the end, I hope) Minimum wage increase- Stifling small businesses right now who are already having enough trouble paying raising inflation costs. I think the increases hurt the economy way more than they actually help: They only help those who already work at minimum wage jobs (such as me); and when the increase takes effect places such as McDs, Big Lots, and Meijer raises prices to adjust to the increase in wage pay...thus, affecting the middle class which now have to pay higher prices at these establishments but get none of the kick back because they are largely unaffected by the increase in pay. The middle class and small business is the backbone of this country Unions are great, personally not a Union guy myself but my family has a long history in a local one. But lately, they have become a huge problem due to Union heads getting greedy (now, I know that it can go both ways between the Union and management being greedy). For example, the city of Toledo might have 800 government workers go on strike because they refuse to sign a new contract that forces them to pay $50 for FULL health insurance (previously, they paid nothing ) per month, and doesn't give the workers a raise until the third year of the contract. This economy sucks, I'd KILL to pay 50 bucks for health insurance and no one is getting raise now-a-days. The city of Toledo is broke, we're drowning in red ink but the Union refuses to budge on those 2 issues and have rejected two contracts. Disgusting...they should suck up it like we all are and do your job, or I'll take thier $13/hr job and they can cut meat.The Dems can't keep spending the way they want too; look at the last eight years by a Republican who wasn't fiscally conservative. We need too stop the partisan bickering now and come together as Americans and all do our part to get this country on the right tracks again. You can't blame the Great Depression on conservative policies, although Hoover certainly didn't help the situation by sticking with his philosophy when it was obvious it need to change. What conservative fiscal spending will do is cut the fat out of Washington and put more money into the hands of local government (where it belongs!!!), cut taxes for the poor, middle class, and small business...I don't know about you, but I don't want to have to pay China off for the next 50 years plus interest...apparently Obama does though. But if your so naive to think that spending more money than the government doesn't have and handing out more regulation than the government can't control will work and solve anything other than just putting off the problem for another ten years. Any Democrat who hated "Reganomics" and supports the President's current fiscal policies should be thinking to themselves "Hmmm, seems vaguely familiar". Gee, market crash of the early 90's=same thing in the future. But hey, it's the next guy's problem right? Wow, that was my biggest post ever. Didn't know I wrote so much until the end
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Beyond that...man, this guy is stupid.
Havent looked in a mirror lately Rash limball.......
This dosent suprise me comming from a guy who has no talent what so ever and is grasping to hold onto his radio job, the only way Rash keeps his job is to give remarks such as this, When one dosent have talent one does what is easy, talk badly about others, you dont need talent for that. 
No offense but I think your comment is pretty far off. Rush is grasping to keep his radio job???? Wow I remeber hearing a few months back that he signed a record radio contract that made him the riches radio persona EVER. You can hate him all you want but he really is a very talented person and there have been many to try and imitate him but they have all failed.
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No offense but I think your comment is pretty far off. Rush is grasping to keep his radio job???? Wow I remeber hearing a few months back that he signed a record radio contract that made him the riches radio persona EVER. You can hate him all you want but he really is a very talented person and there have been many to try and imitate him but they have all failed.
You got that right, I cant say I agree with just about anything Rush has to say but I find it hilarious that people call him a idiot. The guy has made himself a multi millionaire many times over, and has maintained a top rated radio show for over twenty year now, I dont think a idiot could pull that off.
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Rush Limburger depends on "followers".
Time and again his opinions and claims turn out to be wrong, yet some continue to "follow".
IMO, Rush has done a lot of good for the Dems, in that his extremists viewpoints have driven many good conservatives toward the democratic party.
I hope Rush stays as crazy as ever...
It is interesting that the bigger Rush gets, the more unpopular the GOP seems to get. Rush gets richer, the GOP gets more unpopular...where does that leave you?
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jc First off I find it funny how people jumped up and down screaming about Rush's comments before even reading what he fully said. In the manner of what he was talking about, I hope to that Obama fails. And Rush's show losing ratings and turning people away from the republican party? Ha! I don't know one person who was turned off to the party by him. Heck, I even remember Rush criticizing Bush while he was in office and Rush was also not for McCain when he was running for the Republican ticket and I don't think he was even fully for him during the election. Of coarse neither of those things will ever be mentioned in the major media. Liberals are just pissed off they don't have someone like Rush. I don't normally listen to him but I agree with a lot of the things he has to say. I think this article fits this thread: Obama: Quit Listening to Rush Limbaugh if You Want to Get Things Done WASHINGTON -- President Obama warned Republicans on Capitol Hill today that they need to quit listening to radio king Rush Limbaugh if they want to get along with Democrats and the new administration. "You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done," he told top GOP leaders, whom he had invited to the White House to discuss his nearly $1 trillion stimulus package. One White House official confirmed the comment but said he was simply trying to make a larger point about bipartisan efforts. "There are big things that unify Republicans and Democrats," the official said. "We shouldn't let partisan politics derail what are very important things that need to get done." That wasn't Obama's only jab at Republicans today. While discussing the stimulus package with top lawmakers in the White House's Roosevelt Room, President Obama shot down a critic with a simple message. "I won," he said, according to aides who were briefed on the meeting. "I will trump you on that." The response was to the objection by Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) to the president's proposal to increase benefits for low-income workers who don't owe federal income taxes. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/23/obama-quit-listening-rush-limbaugh-want-things/ --------------------------- Quote:
While discussing the stimulus package with top lawmakers in the White House's Roosevelt Room, President Obama shot down a critic with a simple message.
"I won," he said, according to aides who were briefed on the meeting. "I will trump you on that."
Wow, Obama sounds real mature.
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Thus, I want Obama to "fail" to put in place the policies that will hurt our country. Does that make more sense?
Yes, that makes sense.... I just don't know anyone on this board that is qualified to say for sure what will and will not hurt our country... I mean outside of the obvious like terrorist attacks, nukes going off in Manhatten etc...
What looks like a good/bad idea today may be viewed as a great idea in time.
Harry Truman left office with a 32% approval rating.. He's viewed quite a bit differently today. Decisions he made then were unpopular but proved to be better for the country than originally thought.
W left office last week with a miserable approval rating,, how will he be viewed 20 years from now?
Point is, no matter how sure you are that something is right or wrong today, history has a way of deciding for itself. So to condemn or wish failure on a sitting president for ANY reason, seems to me to be rather shortsighted.,
But, that's JMO!
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Freedom of speeach is great, even when you may disagree...
I love listening to the local guy here in Milwaukee complain how Democrats will call Republicans "unpatriotic" if they don't vote for certain things....pot meet kettle
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What looks like a good/bad idea today may be viewed as a great idea in time.
Uh, socialism or socialistic policies will NEVER sound like a good idea to me and I believe they will hurt our country instead of improve it. I know that today, and I will know it tomorrow.
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"I won," he said, according to aides who were briefed on the meeting. "I will trump you on that."
Wow. That's going to get everyone working together nicely.  If he really said that (since it is aids that are reporting it you can't be 100% sure) it sounds real mature.
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People were saying it well before the election and that quote shows it's true. Obama wants everyone to "unite".....but he wants the to unite by doing things is way and his way only. It was all a bunch of feel good rhetoric to get elected. It worked and now he is showing that he has no interest in working together and unity. He is only interested in those things by wanting people to agree with him and his socialistic ideals. Yep, that's real "change". I seem to remember that people were talking about Bush and his amdinistration being a "monarchy". This quote shows that Obama clearly defines the very attitude people claimed Bush had.
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"I won," he said, according to aides who were briefed on the meeting. "I will trump you on that."
Two days after Bush's 2004 re-election, where Bush recorded 286 electoral, Bush declared that he had earned plenty of "political capital, and now I intend to spend it."
In Obama's win in Nov, he totaled 365 electoral votes and he reminded a GOP congressman that he (Obama) had "won" the election and he thought his viewpoint might have more support from the American people than the GOP congressman's point of view on the issue that was being discussed.
I wouldn't make too much out of it. It might take a little time for some Senators and Congressman to adjust to a Democratic President.
I would say Obama's brief comment was just a "reminder" to the congressman concerning the results of the 2008 election.
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Freedom of speeach is great, even when you may disagree...
I love listening to the local guy here in Milwaukee complain how Democrats will call Republicans "unpatriotic" if they don't vote for certain things....pot meet kettle
Freedom of Speech is a wonderful thing.....To say you don't agree with something is an american right. To bash and label people all day long because you disagreed with thier being elected,, that my friend is something I don't care for... But that's just me I guess..
As for being unpatroitic for not agreeing... that is just nuts... I loved Ronald Reagan.... He was "DA MAN" in my eyes... But I didn't agree with everything he said or action he took..
For instance...in the late 70's early 80's we were witnessing a blossoming epidemic in the US and RR wouldn't fully fund research (speaking of AIDS or GRID as they called it then) To me that was a horrible mistake... One of those 20 years later looking back things I was mentioning before.
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Uh, socialism or socialistic policies will NEVER sound like a good idea to me and I believe they will hurt our country instead of improve it. I know that today, and I will know it tomorrow.
So are you saying that there is NOTHING socialistic or considered part of Socialism that can be taken and adapted and adopted by the USA and used to our advantage? I mean,, NOTHING?
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Gee, mac, I thought you wanted Obama ecause you wanted "change".....now you are saying, well Bush did it. Obama was supposed to be about unification and change of the system. Yet, you defend him by saying Bush did something similar....a man you detested so much that you made wild and false accusations about for 8 years. So much for wanting "change", eh mac?
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I know this will be earth shattering for some small heads out there, but just becuase you are a conservative person, doesnt mean you are a republican. I know this boggles the mind of liberals who assume everyone is either a rep or dem. Many times conservatives side with reps simply because they are less liberal and morally decomposed than dem's, not because they agree full heartlily with them. If you really are conservative and value morals and doing things "the right way", then chances are you are usually never on board with any polictican. Rush Limbaugh is not rooting for the Country to fail, exact opposite, even tho the small minded cannot figure this out, unless CNN, NBC, FOX, or the BBC gave nice detailed graphic charts on the matter. Rush is stating that he hopes Obama's POLICIES FAIL, therefore the Country SUCEEDS because Obama's policies are the same crap that has gotten us where we are today. IT was not Bush who wanted "everyone in America to own a home" it was not Bush who wanted Fanny May, nor was it Bush who pushed NAFTA through. It was Obama's liberal pals, and anyone who has removed the straw that goes fomr the TV to their brain would realize that Obama's policies come straight from the same line of thought. But hey, blame everything on Bush and the war, and anyone who doesnt agree with Obama is not patriotic.
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Coach,,, did you hear on the news this morning (MSNBC and FOX) where Obama is planning a meeting with republicans (no democrats allowed in this private meeting which includes Pelosi and Ried) Just republicans.
Its said that he wants to prove to them that he's serious about making it work with them..
I can't speak for everyone, but to me that's reaching out to people that have different ideas than you and trying to make it work..
We'll see how it turns out, but setting up that meeting can't be a bad thing.
TO me, that sounds a lot like Change......
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Daman, you read the quote above when he was talking to a Republican. The quote was confirmed. So, he SAYS that he wants to work "with" them and having a meeting sure is great PR. However, the quote above clearly shows that he wants to work "with" them as long as they go along with what HE says. That isn't change.
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Well, off the top of my head, I can't think of any current socialist program I agree with. There may be something I'm not thinking of, though.
Wanting to keep what is mine, and wanting you to keep what is yours, is not a bad thing.
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Coach,,, did you hear on the news this morning (MSNBC and FOX) where Obama is planning a meeting with republicans (no democrats allowed in this private meeting which includes Pelosi and Ried) Just republicans.
Its said that he wants to prove to them that he's serious about making it work with them..
I can't speak for everyone, but to me that's reaching out to people that have different ideas than you and trying to make it work..
We'll see how it turns out, but setting up that meeting can't be a bad thing.
TO me, that sounds a lot like Change......
It's a "different" move, and I think it's a good one TOWARD change; whether it accomplishes any is what's key. He's definitely showing signs he wants to make improvements. At this point, that's all I want to see from him.
Wasn't impressed with the "trump" card,.... UNLESS he meant it as a sign of "who's in charge."
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Well, off the top of my head, I can't think of any current socialist program I agree with. There may be something I'm not thinking of, though.
Police and fire departments.
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Are you saying I should agree that those should be funded through socialism?
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Are you saying I should agree that those should be funded through socialism?
I think the point that can be taken from that is that it is not cut and dry,not black and white. Our government is always going to be a blend,pure anything does not,never has, and never will work.
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pure anything does not,never has, and never will work.
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Perhaps not. However, it seems more and more people around here want us to go full tilt Socialist. What ever happened to just taking care of ourselves and our families?
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