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Coach,,,whatever limitations or caveats he puts on the meeting not withstanding, he's still something that is NEW and is a departure from the Bush Admnstration..., and for that matter, the Clinton adminstration..


Neither of the last two admins did much to make it clear that wanted to work with the other side..

I applaud Obamas effort,, but results are all that matter.

We'll see how it goes..

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Well, off the top of my head, I can't think of any current socialist program I agree with. There may be something I'm not thinking of, though.

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But But,, that's not what you said before... you had said that Socialism will NEVER sound good to you,, but by even admiting that you can't think of any socialist program you agree with is in itself saying that you may not fully understand socialism.

Neither do I by the way... But the point is, I think if we all sat down in a big room and broke down every form of goverment there is on the planet, we could probably find something about almost all of them that would make sense. It may take adaptation of some kind.. but I bet it's true.

So saying NEVER,,,, hmmm.. I'm not so sure you could do that without knowing a whole lot more than you do..

Not knocking you here Michelle.... just saying, I think there may be good in somethings that aren't evident at a glance.

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Personally, I think it's short-sighted to advocate either 'capitalism' or 'socialism'. Neither is inherently good or bad..

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I cant' help feeling that there are parts of both that can be used to enhance our country.

Hell, what are we but a hodge podge of different peoples from different lands..

PS: GM said he'd steal his neighbors fire sticker

Just clicking,,

I know that Canada has what some would term Socialized Medicine.... To be very honest, I know virtually nothing about how it works.

But I do know that prescription drugs are WAY cheaper.... that's a given.. I know that everyone has healthcare do some degree.. not something we can say in the USA.

I'm also aware that the health care system doesn't match the quality of ours in the states.

Those are the things I am aware of..

Someone with more knowledge,, can you tell me why we can't take the good ideas from that healthcare system and apply them to the US?

Not trying to be funny, I just don't know the answer...

Here's a little more on the wait times in Canada vs. the US.

Canadians also experience waits for medical emergency and specialist services, although there are high numbers of people waiting under both the U.S. and Canadian systems. Studies by the Commonwealth Fund found that 24% of Canadians waited 4 hours or more in the emergency room, vs. 12% in the U.S.; 57% waited 4 weeks or more to see a specialist, vs. 23% in the U.S.

A 2003 survey of hospital administrators conducted in Canada, the U.S., and three other countries found dissatisfaction with both the U.S. and Canadian systems. For example, 21% of Canadian hospital administrators, but less than 1% of American administrators, said that it would take over three weeks to do a biopsy for possible breast cancer on a 50-year-old woman; 50% of Canadian administrators versus none of their American counterparts said that it would take over six months for a 65-year-old to undergo a routine hip replacement surgery. However, U.S. administrators were the most negative about their country's health care system. Hospital executives in all five countries expressed concerns about staffing shortages and emergency department waiting times and quality.



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link to the article part of the wikipedia page uses.

Daman, I guess we just see it differently. I think that the quote shows he isn't willing to "work with" the other side. In fact, that quote shows he is just as unwilling as Bush was to work with the other side. There is a difference between meeting with and working with. The meeting may very well be more of the same tone as the quote above. I don't see how telling those you are supposed to be unifying that you won and will do whatever you want. That's not "working with" anyone. It's the same thing that's been going on for decades.

To heck wtih the Quotes Coach., you know how often they quote can be taken out of context... look at him WANTING to meet the Republicans..

Before judging, perhaps we wait and see what the results are...

214, Willie and Arch,, thanks for responding on that canada thing

So basically, between us all, we've determined that the Quality of service in canada is lacking and timelyness is an issue.

We've already got the quality issue resolved here... And we can do things quicker.. so to me it sounds like we are in a good position to take the next step and find a smarter way to pay for it.

Maybe a modified canadian system... dunno. But it's as good a place as any to start looking for answers...

The problem is, we can't pay for it. This country simply cannot handle another social program that would cost possibly trillions per year. Heck, this country can't pay for what it currently does.

If I'm not remembering wrong, aren't you in the temp. employee business? How would you like it, and how would it affect your business, if gov't. came in and said "you will supply 30 employees to "x" business. The gov't. will pay you for it. We will pay 1/3 of what you currently make. And, oh yeah, you will do it, or you will be out of business.

Can you make those numbers work? Perhaps, but you'd have to charge other businesses more, wouldn't you?

Now, imagine the gov't. telling you that same thing for every employee you place. You will get 1/3 or what you were getting. Bam, you're out of business.

That's what medicare is doing today - paying no where near the going rate. And on top of that, they consult their charts and tables and bam, when the chart says the patient is done, that patient is done whether they are in reality or not. Is that what you want for healthcare? Doctors and hospitals that don't get paid? Patients that don't get the treatment they need?

On a side note, check out the new proposed S CHIPS (I know I have the name wrong, just can't think of the right one right now - must be too late - I'll get it tomorrow) program. People making up to three times the poverty rate would qualify for gov't. healthcare for their kids.....We're talking about a family of 4 making over $64,000 per year........the kids would qualify for state sponsored health care. (which we know is terrible). For a mom and dad to be bringing in $64,000 plus per year, trust me, at least one of them has health care available through work, yet the states want to take that over?????

(oh, cig. taxes pay for a whole lot of that by the way. And yet states want to ban smoling everywhere, some are even attempting to allow businesses to not hire smokers - where in God's name do these people think they will get the money to do this? They want to ban what brings them money, AND they want to increase their spending as well..........our country is so screwed up it is laughable. And honestly, if I didn't live here, I'd be laughing my butt off at the ignorance of the american gov't., and too many of the american people - the people that think "oh, the gov't. will take care of me")

Hell, meet handbasket. You 2 will do well in this country, because this country is going to hell in a handbasket faster than any of you think.

rush and the camp fire symbol are the direct path to constructive thought.

this is a barrier we will knock down. the time for honoring yourself will soon come to an end, with thounderous applause, your time is ticking,

change is coming

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The problem is, we can't pay for it. This country simply cannot handle another social program that would cost possibly trillions per year. Heck, this country can't pay for what it currently does.

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I agree,, the government can't take the burden on itself...won't work.

But take me for instance. I pay a ton for health insurance. There are those that pay more, those that pay less... Look at that number.

if I could eliminate the 14k a year I pay out, I would be willing to pay higher taxes to defray the insurance costs......

someone paying out 200 or so a month, would be less inclined to do that....

Somwhere in this mess is an answer.. i don't knwo what it is, but I'm certain it's out there..

Actually, Arch, the new S-CHIP bill will fund healthcare insurance for children (defined as 21 yrs old or less) in families of 4 making $82,600 - that's 400% over the federal poverty level. ( http://www.heritage.org/Research/Healthcare/wm1580.cfm )

Moreover, it is funded by a tax on cigarettes that is unreliable, insufficient, and unsustainable. The inevitable shortfall will need to be passed on to the general public in new taxes.

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PS: GM said he'd steal his neighbors fire sticker

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hehehe


... and in a cooperative America, neighbors would "loan" the unfortunate homeowner a sticker just before the fire dept arrived...