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TUCKER OFFICIALLY LANDS WITH THE JAGS http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/23/tucker-officially-lands-with-the-jags/Posted by Mike Florio on January 23, 2009, 1:08 p.m. EST Amid reports that former Browns defensive coordinator Mel Tucker will become the Jaguars’ next defensive backs coach and that head coach Jack Del Rio will serve as defensive coordinator, Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that Tucker has officially been hired as the team’s defensive coordinator. Tucker replaces Gregg Williams, whose one-year contract was not renewed. Williams has since been hired to serve in the same role with the Saints. It’s possible that there’s a right church/wrong pew thing is going on as to the reports that Tucker won’t be the coordinator. For example, it could be that Tucker will also coach the defensive backs, and/or that Del Rio will call the defensive plays. Tucker, whose imminent hiring was first reported Thursday by NFP, previously served as the Browns’ defensive coordinator. He was interviewed for the head-coaching position after Romeo Crennel was fired. As Adam Schefter of NFL Network recently pointed out, the fact that Tucker was interviewed despite owner Randy Lerner’s stated preference for a candidate with head-coaching experience could result in a tweak to the Rooney Rule. Because Tucker was the only minority candidate who interviewed for the Cleveland job, the fact that he didn’t meet one of the owner’s stated qualifications undermines the spirit of the rule requiring at least one minority candidate to be interviewed for each head-coaching vacancy. AddThis
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I'm glad he found a job,but this doesn't sound like the ideal situation.
Maybe he can get some more seasoning,esp.not worring about play-calling.
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As Adam Schefter of NFL Network recently pointed out, the fact that Tucker was interviewed despite owner Randy Lerner’s stated preference for a candidate with head-coaching experience could result in a tweak to the Rooney Rule. Because Tucker was the only minority candidate who interviewed for the Cleveland job, the fact that he didn’t meet one of the owner’s stated qualifications undermines the spirit of the rule requiring at least one minority candidate to be interviewed for each head-coaching vacancy
I keep wondering why a team that just fired a coach that is a minority has to prove that they are against hiring a minority.... What did I miss there.
What about Dungy. His replacement, James Caldwell is a minority so no issues, but what if James Caldwell wasn't a minority. What if the Colts wanted to promote from within,,, would they still have to interview a minority candidate?
The intent of the Rooney rule is good,, the application and details have holes in it...
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Interesting. I could see it going well for Mel there. He improved the D as the year went along I think. I mean...thats tough because the offense regressed so much, but I think our secondary came along as the year went on (barring the Denver and Baltimore collapses).
Mel will do ok.
However...that Rooney Rule thing is starting to get silly. Did that mean we had to interview Art Shell? because I think thats about it for who is out there? I mean, I understand it, but, I dont think it was the Rooney Rule that got Dungy, Lovie Smith, Art Shell, Raheem Morris or any of the other coaches their jobs. Its their pedigree thats gotten them their jobs. Well maybe not Morris...but I dunno what got him his job at all. I like the spirit of the Rooney Rule, but it seems like it causes some issues, like this may create
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As Adam Schefter of NFL Network recently pointed out, the fact that Tucker was interviewed despite owner Randy Lerner’s stated preference for a candidate with head-coaching experience could result in a tweak to the Rooney Rule.
"tweak" the Rooney rule? are you kidding me? There are more and more black coaches getting HC gigs all the time,....and it's not because of the Rooney rule. The best thing they could do is abolish the rule all together, it's has to be embarrassing for a black coach to be granted an interview knowing that this rule exists.
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I know the RR was initially established with good intentions, but it's clear that it has its flaws. The most obvious is when, such as the case with Tucker, a minority candidate is only given an interview because of the color of his skin. And anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. Seems kind of counterproductive. Instead of ensuring that minorities get their fair shot, it singles them out (in some cases) and makes it look as though they're not being interviewed because of their qualifications, but rather because they happen to be a minority and said team needs to comply with the rule. C'mon, where's Charles Barkley when I need him?
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Because Tucker was the only minority candidate who interviewed for the Cleveland job, the fact that he didn’t meet one of the owner’s stated qualifications undermines the spirit of the rule requiring at least one minority candidate to be interviewed for each head-coaching vacancy.
LMAO...I do believe Goodell needs to seriously address this "Minority" thing...
People...This is the 21st Century...Your so-called "Minority" is now the Most Powerful Individual of the most powerful nation that exists in the entire WORLD...What more do u want???
Eliminate this STUPIDITY in this "Rooney Rule" BS already...
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"tweak" the Rooney rule? are you kidding me? There are more and more black coaches getting HC gigs all the time,....and it's not because of the Rooney rule. The best thing they could do is abolish the rule all together, it's has to be embarrassing for a black coach to be granted an interview knowing that this rule exists.
U bet your ass...
It's a JOKE...Bout 10 years WAY PAST TIME...
Give me a BLACK Head Coach any day of the week if he knows WTF's goin' on...I'd SLAM a "Majority" HC every day of the week if he DOESN'T know WTF's goin' on...
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It's not past it's time yet. The point of the rule is to get minority's, who are still underrepresented in the coaching ranks, interviews. not jobs, interviews. so that people who do hiring meet them and see them. No one is accusing teams of discrimination in hiring, it's just a matter of breaking up the old network of known white guys or their recommendations.
It's made a positive difference, I think, and it doesn't hurt anything. It's just an interview. Forces teams to see what type of minority candidates are out there, even if they don't hire them in the end.
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Because Tucker was the only minority candidate who interviewed for the Cleveland job, the fact that he didn’t meet one of the owner’s stated qualifications undermines the spirit of the rule requiring at least one minority candidate to be interviewed for each head-coaching vacancy.
LMAO...I do believe Goodell needs to seriously address this "Minority" thing...
People...This is the 21st Century...Your so-called "Minority" is now the Most Powerful Individual of the most powerful nation that exists in the entire WORLD...What more do u want???
Eliminate this STUPIDITY in this "Rooney Rule" BS already...
If you can grow up to be President, you can grow up to be a football coach. This crap needs to end.
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I think the rule needs to stay. It protects those who are a minority, who actually have experience, and who are qualified, to get a shot at the head coach spot.
Yea, it has its flaws, but still...
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How exactly does it "protect" them? It seems that success breeds interest and more and more "minority" folks are actually interested in coaching. Marvin Lewis, Tony Dungy, etc are having success and therefore more folks are interested and getting the shot.
Tell me, how many of the 32 teams need to have a black/hispanic/indian/asian coach before it's no longer considered a minority? Is there a number? If a time comes where all 32 teams have a "minority" as their coach, then do white people qualify under this rule?
Seems to me that it's outdated and flawed. When people are being "interviewed" (*wink wink*) and passed on simply to not break this rule then there are issues.
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Tucker deserves a second chance on someone's staff. I don't see him being a D.C. anytime really soon but he does deserve another break.
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Blacks make up about 13.4% of the u.s. population. To make it "equal" there would need to be 4.3 black head coaches in the nfl. Let's look at last year: Herm Edwards, Romeo, Dungy, the pittsburgh coach, Lovie from the Bears..........who am I missing?
Perhaps we need a Rooney rule for players as well? But of course I will be called rascist by some one for even saying that.
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Because Tucker was the only minority candidate who interviewed for the Cleveland job, the fact that he didn’t meet one of the owner’s stated qualifications undermines the spirit of the rule requiring at least one minority candidate to be interviewed for each head-coaching vacancy.
LMAO...I do believe Goodell needs to seriously address this "Minority" thing...
People...This is the 21st Century...Your so-called "Minority" is now the Most Powerful Individual of the most powerful nation that exists in the entire WORLD...What more do u want???
Eliminate this STUPIDITY in this "Rooney Rule" BS already...
If you can grow up to be President, you can grow up to be a football coach. This crap needs to end.
I think the Temptations need to interview white singers before they replace their next member.
Haha, that might be the funniest thing I could ever see. It would only be funnier if you or GM were the new member.
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I think the rule needs to stay. It protects those who are a minority, who actually have experience, and who are qualified, to get a shot at the head coach spot.
Yea, it has its flaws, but still...
I think the rule should be modified that if a team has hired a 'Minority' coach within 10 years then they are exempt from having to interview a 'Minority' coach.
By us hiring Romeo, we demonstrated that we would and have hired a 'Minority' coach. We've proven the spirit of this rule. And we shouldn't have to insult Tucker in the process.
And to those who compare the US Population to the % of coaches...the argument against that is that US Football is comprised of probably 80% Black population. So, one could point out that until THAT rate is what % of 'Minority' coaches, it is necessary.
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Maybe it's just me. But I don't see a point in requiring a percentage at all. It seems to me that a minority candidate has as good a shot these days at landing a position as a white guy. There was a time that didn't happen, but that time has passed.
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Bottom line....
Good luck Tuck!
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And to those who compare the US Population to the % of coaches...the argument against that is that US Football is comprised of probably 80% Black population. So, one could point out that until THAT rate is what % of 'Minority' coaches, it is necessary.
One COULD look at it that way. And they'd look foolish. 
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I wish Tucker well.
The Rooney rule should have never been invented to begin with.
Can we get this rule in reverse in the NBA? I don't feel whites are properly represented in the NBA as coaches and especially players. Why isn't that a problem? Why was this past inaguration ball so over played with musical guests such as Jay-z, Beyonce, and Alicia Keys, etc, etc.? Can the next white president spend $200 million on his inaguration and have CCR, Lynard Skynard, and Albama as his musical guests?? Or will that offend the Black nation?
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And to those who compare the US Population to the % of coaches...the argument against that is that US Football is comprised of probably 80% Black population. So, one could point out that until THAT rate is what % of 'Minority' coaches, it is necessary.
Which is exactly why teams should have to draft 80% white players..... because white players are not getting a fair shot to succeed in the NFL.... 
Of course to do that, 80% of the college scholarships are going to have to go to white players.... 
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Can I ask why it's okay for a team to hire a "minority" coach, without interviewing a white coach? (Like Tampa with Morris, and Indy with Caldwell)... But it's not okay to hire a white coach without interviewing a minority coach? Anyone see a double standard here?
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I think the intent of the rule is geunine but how the rule is structured and handled is another story. I don't worry about it and doubt those involoved due either since they have a plan for their organizations and skin color doesn't dictate this, one time maybe, now I don't think so. No matter
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I hear ya on this double standard and quite frankly I'm tired of trying so hard to please and not offend minorities and all the apologists. Blacks should not have any special rights like the college fund or Rooney rules. If America sucks that bad for them, then leave, go to another country. I have something Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton can suck on too, I'm sick of them clowns. If my perspective is considered racist then, too, dang bad. Personally I just view all these rules and regulations to stop the race war is only making it worse.
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I think the intent of the rule is geunine but how the rule is structured and handled is another story. I don't worry about it and doubt those involoved due either since they have a plan for their organizations and skin color doesn't dictate this, one time maybe, now I don't think so. No matter
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I completely agree, the rule is fine and has good intentions, the problem is people are making a mockery of it. A lot of these owners are from the old school and have no intentions of handing over their investment to a race that they may look down on. The rule was designed to expand their minds and put some equality back into high profile/responsibility jobs. The problem is that it is too easy to manipulate it (as Lerner did).
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The problem is that it is too easy to manipulate it (as Lerner did).
I agree it is too easy to manipulate. But I cannot say that I think Lerner did that. The Browns have generally been ahead of the curve for bringing in minority athletes and staff in the past. I think (totally unsubstantiated mind you, but still my opinion) Tucker got a crack at interviewing. But when Mangini came available, Lerner looked and saw a coach with real Head Coaching experience and that is something that was to be valued. We've not had a lot of luck with first time head coaches lately and he went in a different direction. Maybe Tucker didn't have that WOW factor yet. Or maybe Mangini wasn't expected to be available. I don't know. But I don't see the Browns as having exploited it.
I still think the rule is outdated and superfluous now.
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Wrong on so many levels. First of all, an owner doesn't hand over his investment to ANY coach. The coach can enhance the owners investment, or harm it for a period of time, but NO coach is "handed" the investment. Secondly, if you want to look at it your way, why not include the players? After all, they are the ones that need to put it on the field, so if a coach has been given the investment (your words) why not hold the players responsible as well.
Lastly, show me an owner in the NFL that, if faced with winning with a minority coach, or losing with a white coach, show me one owner that wouldn't take the minority. Don't worry, you can't.
Along with that, show me ONE owner that goes into interviews with a coaches race even being a factor. There again, you can't.
Win and you're in, lose and you're out. Your race? Nonexistent.
20 years ago, you may have had a point. Today? Not even close.
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I agree it is too easy to manipulate. But I cannot say that I think Lerner did that.
Me either... Lerner wanted Mangini from the start and it had nothing to do with him being white... I'm pretty certain that Lerner didn't sit around thinking that RAC failed because he was black...
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And if he did, he doesn't have any business owning the Browns, or anything else.
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Actually most teams want the best coach for their teams...bottom line.
I think the Rooney rule is archaic and backwards. As long as you have Minority Asst. Coaches who can gain experience and become Coordinators - if they are worth spit they should get a chance somewhere as a HC. I think they should get rid of the Rooney rule and the NFL should start an INTERN program and keep the flames of opportunity for minorities to continue. Of course I don't here the clamor for more Hispanic Coaches nor Oriental...lol 
What should be done though is to have colleges somehow get out of their GOOD OLE BOY Program. As I don't see hardly any College Division 1A Minority Coaches. Usually the NFL pulls from its Asst. Coaching ranks as well as the college ranks.
Well I think we have been on track with the NFL coaches. But there is a tremendous void from the NCAA ranks of minority coaches to pull from.
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J/C Boy, some of you all have the shortest memories of football history! I guess that prior to 2003 EVERYONE forgot that there were HC openings that did not GET 1 minority to an interview!! Ask T.Dungy how long it took him to get an Interview, not a job, just the interview. Hell, before 1995, teams would not even hire NOR promote minority coaches past position coaches! Yup, that Rooney rule is just terrible, I mean a team can interview all the non-minority coaches it wants, but it just has to interview 1 minority coach. And BTW - that coach does not have to be AA. SO if Norm Chow wants to get interviewed by everyone, that would count. Also, if a team has an assistant(non_minority) it wants to hire as head coach later AND its written into the contract, The Rooney Rule does not apply! Just like when the Colts hired their new coach. Lastly, Just because A.Schefter THINKS Tucker's interview with the Browns is a violation does not make it fact! If you all would look at the rule, its so vague that the Browns did not violate anything. 
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I remember the history...I'm sorry but I thought we were talking about TODAY's NFL not YESTERDAYS.
I thought I explained myself...in those Yesterdays...You hardly saw any AA Coordinators...which is a major key to getting a HC job. As long as we key the playing field on the level in the Assistant coaches ranks...we will see our Minority HC's come along through the cream rising to the top theory.
Fact is even just 5-10 years seems like yesterday...its a different environment in the NFL today. There is no purpose of the Rooney rule. Instead there should always be an emphasis on giving minorities the equal opportunity to get in the NFL programs from the Ground Up. I think the lack of Minority Hiring was more due to the lack of Experienced and qualified candidates...not due to inabilities...but due to the simple fact that there was not many Minority asst. coaches in the ranks to move up the ladder.
That is not the case now. We will have a fine representation of Minority Candidates as long as we continue to have young coaches getting opportunities as assistants in the NFL. If the NFL needs a watchdog it would be to keep that flow of young minority coaches going...not the Rooney Rule.
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I agree it is too easy to manipulate. But I cannot say that I think Lerner did that.
Me either... Lerner wanted Mangini from the start and it had nothing to do with him being white... I'm pretty certain that Lerner didn't sit around thinking that RAC failed because he was black...
Thats not why I think he manipulated the rule. He manipulated the rule by interviewing Tucker when he had no intentions of hiring him or even giving him a chance. At least interview someone qualified for the position.
Arch: I look at the coach as the manager of a business. Many of these old school owners (Huzienga, Jones, etc) are wary of handing over that business to a race they may look down on. I'm sure you don't think that black versus white is an issue anymore, which is fine, but the fact remains that there is some discrimination in the league. Its fine and expected and I don't expect it to change overnight, but the fact remains it is there. You'll see a lot of minority coordinators and Assistant coaches, but not as many head coaches. It's just the way it is man.
I will guarantee you that if there was no Rooney rule, there would be very few minorities getting interviewed for these positions. That is my opinion, but it is substantiated by the numbers as well.
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Fair enough. All you or I can do is have an opinion.
However, for anyone advocating the Rooney rule for today, 2009, I must ask, yet again: why not have a rooney rule for players? Why not say, when the number of minority coaches reaches the same percentage as minorities in the u.s., "stop". No more minority coaches until the percentage of minorities increases.
And furthermore, where are the hispanic and asian coaches? The Rooney rule doesn't say "black" coaches, right? Why aren't the other minorities making advancements in head coaching?
See how ridiculous this is? Where should it stop? Fine, everyone has to interview a minority for an open coaching job. Maybe the rule should change to "every year, each team must interview a minority for the head coaching job, even if the current head coach did a good job". Would that make people happy?
It's crazy. It's ridiculous. You may feel that hiring a coach is turning the franchise over to the coach. I feel you're wrong. And regardless, show me one single owner that wouldn't take a winner over a loser, regardless of race.
Seems to me you are the one with a raxcist attitude. I guarantee there is not an owner around that cares about race when winning is involved.
Sorry. If the rule doesn't apply to players, it shouldn't apply to coaches.
See how flat out dumb this is? Stupid.
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We hired Romeo Crennel.
That alone should tell me race did not play a factor in the Mangini hire.
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We hired Romeo Crennel.
That alone should tell me race did not play a factor in the Mangini hire.
Who said race played a factor? Read the posts.
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why not have a rooney rule for players?
Ya 70 percent of the players and draft picks have to be crackers, and the NBA must be forced to draft only white power forwards for the next 20 years 
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