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Thats crazy...how do u not score 1 basket in the game?

Associated Press


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DALLAS -- A Texas high school girls basketball team on the winning end of a 100-0 game has a case of blowout remorse.

Now officials from The Covenant School say they are trying to do the right thing by seeking a forfeit and apologizing for the margin of victory.

"It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened," Kyle Queal, the head of the school, said in a statement, adding the forfeit was requested because "a victory without honor is a great loss."

The private Christian school defeated Dallas Academy last week. Covenant was up 59-0 at halftime.

A parent who attended the game told The Associated Press that Covenant continued to make 3-pointers -- even in the fourth quarter. She praised the Covenant players but said spectators and an assistant coach were cheering wildly as their team edged closer to 100 points.

"I think the bad judgment was in the full-court press and the 3-point shots," said Renee Peloza, whose daughter plays for Dallas Academy. "At some point, they should have backed off."

Dallas Academy coach Jeremy Civello told The Dallas Morning News that the game turned into a "layup drill," with the opposing team's guards waiting to steal the ball and drive to the basket. Covenant scored 12 points in the fourth quarter and "finally eased up when they got to 100 with about four minutes left," he said.

Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia.

There is no mercy rule in girls basketball that shortens the game or permits the clock to continue running when scores become lopsided. There is, however, "a golden rule" that should have applied in this contest, said Edd Burleson, the director of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools. Both schools are members of this association, which oversees private school athletics in Texas.

"On a personal note, I told the coach of the losing team how much I admire their girls for continuing to compete against all odds," Burleson said. "They showed much more character than the coach that allowed that score to get out of hand. It's up to the coach to control the outcome."

In the statement on the Covenant Web site, Queal said the game "does not reflect a Christ-like and honorable approach to competition. We humbly apologize for our actions and seek the forgiveness of Dallas Academy, TAPPS and our community."

Covenant coach Micah Grimes did not immediately respond to a message left by The Associated Press on Thursday.

Queal said school officials met with Dallas Academy officials to apologize and praised "each member of the Dallas Academy Varsity Girls Basketball team for their strength, composure and fortitude in a game in which they clearly emerged the winner."

Civello said he appreciated the gesture and has accepted the apology "with no ill feelings."

At a shootaround Thursday, several Dallas Academy players said they were frustrated during the game but felt it was a learning opportunity. They also said they are excited about some of the attention they are receiving from the loss, including an invitation from Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban to see an NBA game from his suite.

"Even if you are losing, you might as well keep playing," said Shelby Hyatt, a freshman on the team. "Keep trying, and it's going to be OK."

Peloza said the coach and other parents praised the Dallas Academy girls afterward for limiting Covenant to 12 points in the fourth quarter. She added that neither her daughter nor her teammates seemed to dwell on the loss.

"Somewhere during that game they got caught up in the moment," Peloza said of the Covenant players, fans and coaches. "Our girls just moved on. That's the happy part of the story."

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I don't know....that is the problem today....I agree....I might have tried to do something when it was 75-0....naaa.....I could never tell my players to not try their best.

Too bad for the other school....maybe they should drop girls basketball if they don't want to lose badly.

Now the headmaster wants to forfeit??? What a lame guy that is.....Kyle Queal...sounds like one of those Seasme Street kids.......everybody is special and important....lol


Yep Kyle....tell your kids to stand there and do nothing. Tell them to not try their best.....not to give it 100% the whole way.

Yep....that surely is a message to send.

I would pull my kid out of that school and laugh at that guy during the exit interview I would demand..

If there was no way to speed up the game by keeping the clock running, then there wasn't much the coach could do.

JMO

It wasn't the players fault that an inept team was put on their schedule. They could have taken measures to avoid the embarassment, though. When I coached hockey, if our team was wiping someone out we had a self imposed three pass rule....three passes had to be made before someone could shoot. We also had no clock stoppages in the 3rd pd.

when i played high school hockey, i was a freshman, sitting on the bench, my coach was well-known, and well respected throughout cleveland (2000 coach of the year)

we were blowing out some bad, first year team, and my coach turned to his guys and said "you score, you skate"

enough said.

I just wonder... did someone even have that team show up for the freaking game?

I'm not going to have my team lay off the throttle, if you can't play or don't want to lose that bad, try harder, a LOT harder.

If my team is that far up, I'm pulling my starters when it gets out of hand and giving my backups a chance to play, if the score keeps going up, this only means one thing: Their team is worse than anyone thought.

Sorry, we're not forfeiting just to make you feel better or set a "moral example". We won, you lost, deal with it.

j/c

The team that lost is a Special Ed. School. Does that change things?

The problem isn't that they lost. The problem is that the coach, right up until the 100th point was scored near the end, was still using a full court press and raining 3s. I'm sorry, but that is classless. You don't tell your kids not to try hard. You empty your bench, you call off the press, you have your players pass the ball a minimum number of times before taking a shot, you manage the tempo of the game.

The bottom line is that you don't have to tell your players not to give their all to keep something like this from happening.

J/C
All I know is, Yoooou play to win the game!!!!

Too many Herm Edwards sound clips for me.

j/c

If you don't want to lose 100-0do something about it. Score a basket. Play some defense.

U know B .. this place never ceases to amaze me ... everytime I believe it can get no worse it does .... some of the responses in here are just crazy ...

this is how it should have been handled ...

DURING THE GAME ....

1. No press after the 1st Q as I am sure the game was all ready decided .....

2. No 3's in the 2nd half ... score was all ready bad enough ...

3. NO FAST BREAKS ... OR BREAKAWAYS ... U PULL IT OUT ...

4.. in the 2nd half at some point (after all my bench players have worked on our core half court D ... not going to not let them get game experience and work on our core stuff ... ) ...

were going to settle into a packed in no pressure zone .. or with my team we would play a loose man (my team would not play zone unless we had absolutely no atheletic ability at all ... ) .... and we would pick up at the foul line ...

5. ON O ... a minimum of 5 passes ..

all those measures would help keep the score down ...

Peen is right that I would NEVER EVER tell my kids not to give 100% ... no way in hell ... and i would not tell them to do non basketball stuff to keep the score down ... but there is a whole lot of room between having them try 100% and pressing and shooting 3's when the score is even 30 - 0 ... much less 70 - 0 ... thats just CLASSLESS ...

AFTER THE GAME ...

1. U don't forfiret .. to me thats just rubbing slat in the wound ... and an assinine move ..

2. fire the coach ... he gets no reprieve or no second chance on this one .. if he don't know enough to call the dogs off in a game like that .. SEE YA ...

You are right...I didn't take in to account the pressing...I still don't mind the 3's, those had to have been the lower percentage shots, but they could have found ways to kill clock.

I think it foolish to not have a way to keep the clock running in games like these.

You guys are fun to read....lol ppl fight about EVERYTHING on this board...it's hilarious...

"YOU ARE WRONG....this i what i think...and thats whats right.."


This isn't for you Diam...just a general reply...


Anyways...i think if a team is so bad that it can't score a point then they shouldn't be a team...if it's a "special" school who has a team jus cuz "they should" then they shouldn't complain when they get beat....that being said...is 100-0 excessive? yes...it is...but if u do it then why the HELL are you goin to forfite later on? i would say the coach doesn't care and that someone else is putting pressure on the school to do this.

I'm right and you all are wrong

Is the reason for the forfeit to erase the score from the record books?

I have no idea .. nor do I care ... its not like theres going to be alot of folks looking in the record book ..

Peenie .. .. I'm torn on the treys ... maybe I would have allowed my players that weren't involved in shooting them in our normal O take them as that would be an extremely low % shot and if they make one there going to be excited and happy ... but my legite 3 point shooters .. no way ....

theres alot of things that could have been done ... this coach was just an ass ... that's what it boils down to ....

DALLAS -- The coach of a Texas high school basketball team that beat another team 100-0 was fired Sunday, the same day he sent an e-mail to a newspaper saying he will not apologize "for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity."

On its Web site last week, the Covenant School of Dallas, a private Christian school, posted a statement regretting the outcome of its Jan. 13 shutout win over Dallas Academy. "It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened. This clearly does not reflect a Christlike and honorable approach to competition," said the statement, signed by Kyle Queal, head of school, and board chair Todd Doshier.

Covenant coach Micah Grimes, who has been criticized for letting the game get so far out of hand, made it clear in the e-mail Sunday to The Dallas Morning News that he does not agree with his school's assessment.

"In response to the statement posted on The Covenant School Web site, I do not agree with the apology or the notion that the Covenant School girls basketball team should feel embarrassed or ashamed," Grimes wrote in the e-mail, according to the newspaper. "We played the game as it was meant to be played. My values and my beliefs would not allow me to run up the score on any opponent, and it will not allow me to apologize for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity."

Queal would not say if Grimes was fired because of the coach's statement, but told the newspaper that Grimes "now only represents himself."

A phone number for Grimes could not be located by The Associated Press. The Dallas Morning News said Grimes did not respond to their repeated e-mail requests for a telephone interview.

Queal did not immediately return a phone message left at his home Sunday afternoon by the AP. There was no answer at a number listed for Doshier.

A parent who attended the game said Covenant continued to make 3-pointers -- even in the fourth quarter. She praised the Covenant players but said spectators and an assistant coach were cheering wildly as their team edged closer to 100 points.


Covenant was up 59-0 at halftime.

Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia.

There is no mercy rule in girls basketball that shortens the game or permits the clock to continue running when scores become one-sided. There is, however, "a golden rule" that should have applied in this contest, said Edd Burleson, the director of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools, said last week. Both schools are members of this association, which oversees private school athletics in Texas.

The story has received national attention, and the Dallas Academy team has been recognized for refusing to give up during the lopsided contest.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report

http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/basketball/girls/news/story?id=3859935

I think that I would actually feel MORE demoralized if the other team stopped trying altogether and I still scored nothing.

In sports, you play to win.

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Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons.

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I give the other team props for showing up despite the fact that they lose consistently, so, with this guy now out of a job, maybe they should look at hiring him.

There is poetic justice in that thought alone. . . .

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Where's DC to rub this in my face anyway?

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Why would I rub this in your face? You never humiliated a special ed girls team...








Did you?

Right after he slapped them and stole their cookies.

Hard to believe you don't live in a cave. Sorry you didn't get it or that you haven't heard the sound clip. Thought maybe you listened to the sports radio or watched ESPN. You didn't get it, oh well. You should probably stick to wathing re-runs of Full House instead of pretending to be a man on a sports themed message board.

You can also not respond to my posts. You're probably the only one in here that was confused. I'm sure that's normal for you though. I hope this made clear sense to you. If not then oh well, I didn't sign up here to be a teacher for the "special" posters.

Wow. Who tinkled in your wheaties? So King didn't get it, it wouldn't be the first time.

Seriously though, settle down.

Wow just read another post where you responded like oh so kindly. "Wow thanks for the insightful statement". You probably never won anything and was always the bench warmer, those types always talk about class. Kind of like the saying that money is the root of all evil, well those people usually don't have any. I hope that makes sense to you.

Oh dont take me to seriously. I only responded like that because of his response to me. You know that's what good buddies do. Serously though, you can't just start hitting on me after like 8 posts.

Yeah, you're a real charmer. New poster here.....I doubt it.

You think I been here before?

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You know that's what good buddies do.

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So you and king are good buddies?

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Serously though, you can't just start hitting on me after like 8 posts.

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Sure she can, you're just her type.