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Your guys generation is leaving a ton of crap for mine to have to clean up.
(Not saying it's YOUR fault, but it's true.)
The baby boomers never suffered a day in their lives.. it was the spoiled gravy train from cradle to grave and look how they turned out..... your generation is going to have to suffer, it will only make you stronger.
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Your guys generation is leaving a ton of crap for mine to have to clean up.
(Not saying it's YOUR fault, but it's true.)
Well, there are probably three generations on this board, so which one exactly do you mean?
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When he signs this - and he will, but don't think that there won't be plenty of changes made to it (people are getting ornery in a hurry) - he will be 0-for-1 with a swinging strikeout.
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Your guys generation is leaving a ton of crap for mine to have to clean up.
(Not saying it's YOUR fault, but it's true.)
Well, there are probably three generations on this board, so which one exactly do you mean?
The Baby Boomer generation that is going to drain social security, medicare, and all government spending while only caring about themselves without trying to fix the government debt and continues to spend to make sure they live like kings when they retire, which apparently will be until they die.
you had a good run Hank.
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It can be traced back to FDR and the "greatest generation".....my parents generation.
They set up unsustainable social programs everybody has come to expect. The greatest generation was apparently pretty great under the sheets as well as they popped out baby after baby, who in turn returned to a more sustainable rate of procreation....leaving these social programs in place with too few workers to support the generation in front of them.
Look at the bright side...young people are going to hit the crash in the early years...the ones in their 30's and 40's are going to be hit the hardest...they are the ones going to be ruined with no time to really recover.
Older people like me, we've had ours and maybe have enough socked away to get by ok.
It is going to be a very challenging 10-15 years ahead. All this stuff we are doing right now is window dressing. It isn't going to fix the problem.
Here is the deal IMO...take it or leave it.
Everybody knows it is headed to the bottom. The government can't just let it fall, because people would riot and the government would be no more. I don't think people really understand how flimsy the rule of law really is...it doesn't take much for law to not exist...or exist on a block by block basis.
Taking things to the bottom slowly allows people to get accustomed to having less and working harder.
Do it overnight, you have a problem. Do it over 10 years, it becomes the norm and people begin to become complacent.
This is why you are seeing people grabbing their cash and running...even illegally....they know it isn't coming back.
Sorry for the grim news.
The first attacks on our rights will be aimed at free speech....if that can be suppressed, the voice dies, then everything else is fair game with no venues to speak out..
Wait and see.....and when it happens, we will find out who has game and who doesn't. Don't be so eager to label people crackpots if they start fighting this trend.
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The Baby Boomer generation that is going to drain social security, medicare, and all government spending while only caring about themselves without trying to fix the government debt and continues to spend to make sure they live like kings when they retire, which apparently will be until they die.
....you say you want a revolu-u-tion, you better get it on right away.... 
Like Peen said. This started with FDR and led to a nation full of the most entitled people in history. People who think that the government owes them food, housing, a living, health care, education, etc. Throw in a biased media and a government full of gutless politicians that will promise, do and spend anything to get votes, the only outcome possible is the current mess we're in.
What's sad is that a lot of people knew this would happen (not that it would take a genius), but didn't want to make the necessary tough decisions to prevent it. The idiots in power now want you to believe we can spend our way out of this mess.....even though spending is what got us into it in the first place.
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Here's an article talking about the Senate version.....Scary stuff....
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US-EU trade war looms as Barack Obama bill urges 'Buy American'
The prospect of a trade war between the US and Europe is looming after "Buy American" provisions were added to President Barack Obama's $820 billion (£573 billion) stimulus package.
By Alex Spillius in Washington
Last Updated: 9:34PM GMT 29 Jan 2009
The EU trade commissioner vowed to fight back after the bill passed in the House of Representatives late on Wednesday included a ban on most purchases of foreign steel and iron used in infrastructure projects.
The Senate's version of the legislation, which will be debated early next week, goes even further, requiring that any projects related to the stimulus use only American-made equipment and goods.
The inclusion of protectionist measures has quickly raised hackles in Europe.
Catherine Ashton, the EU trade commissioner, said: "We are looking at the situation. The one thing we can be absolutely certain about, is if a bill is passed which prohibits the sale or purchase of European goods on American territory, that is something we will not stand idly by and ignore."
Despite the parlous state of the US economy, some major American firms, including General Electric, are also opposed to the Buy American stipulations, fearing reprisals from overseas and further damage to the global economy.
Bill Lane, government affairs director for Caterpillar, which has just laid off nearly a fifth of its 112,000 work force and is the tenth largest US investor in Britain, warned it was a dangerous step.
He said: "We are the first to recognise that if the US embraces Buy American then the whole notion of buying national will mestastasize and limit our ability to take part in overseas projects.
"We are students of history. A major reason a very deep recession turned into the Great Depression was the fact that countries turned inward."
Countries in Europe and Asia are planning major injections of cash into infrastructure to boost their economies, and US firms don't want to be left out of potentially lucrative contracts.
"We would be a primary beneficiary of any type of infrastructure project in the US, but at the same time we are one of the country's largest exporters," he added.
Some industrial giants also question whether the Buy American laws would contravene US obligations reached in various World Trade Organisation agreements.
They also point to the 1930s as a lesson in the perils of protectionism. Congress passed the Buy American Act in 1933, allowing the government to favour US products for government contracts. Restrictions were eased in 1982, but the plans currently working their way through Congress would bring the new law close to its forebear of 75 years ago.
Foreign steel would only be allowed if using US steel drove up the cost of a project by more than 25 per cent, while the bill passed on Wednesday required that the Transportation and Security Administration use American-made uniforms.
Supporters of Buy American argue that tighter measures are required to protect American jobs and point out that the US steel industry is losing out to Chinese imports subsidised by Beijing.
"As we are losing jobs in record numbers, we obviously need to devote these funds to direct creation of American jobs," said Sherrod Brown, a senator from Ohio, part of the struggling industrial heartland.
Unemployment in his state has risen to 7.6 per cent, up from 5.8 per cent in December 2007.
"To do that, we must ensure that federal funds are used to buy American products and to help promote manufacturing in our country. Ultimately I want taxpayers to know where their dollars are being spent. Are they being spent on American products or products coming from Germany or Mexico?"
Mr Obama has sent mixed signals on free trade throughout his campaign and the early days of his presidency. He has argued that the North American Free Trade should be recalibrated in favour of American workers, but has stressed the need for a co-operative international approach to the economic crisis.
Though fellow Democrats in the house and senate drafted their versions of the stimulus bill, the new president and his advisers had major input and influence over the contents.
The bill failed to win a single Republican vote in the house, despite a major charm offensive by Mr Obama, which included a visit to Congress and an invitation to Congressional leaders to drinks at the White House.
It passed thanks to the Democrats' healthy majority, but the senate bill could see a tougher fight. Each rendering of the bill will be merged at a process known as conference, before being returned to both chambers for a new vote. The president has asked that a final bill be presented to him by February 13.
This is some scary stuff.
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Your guys generation is leaving a ton of crap for mine to have to clean up.
(Not saying it's YOUR fault, but it's true.)
I'm not saying its YOUR fault, but some of the kids sitting at home playing GTA instead of reading a book, learning math & science are adding to the ton of crap for you to clean up. I've seen some of the minds that are graduating now. Minds that would have never got out of the fifth grade "back in the day".
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Your guys generation is leaving a ton of crap for mine to have to clean up.
(Not saying it's YOUR fault, but it's true.)
I'm not saying its YOUR fault, but some of the kids sitting at home playing GTA instead of reading a book, learning math & science are adding to the ton of crap for you to clean up. I've seen some of the minds that are graduating now. Minds that would have never got out of the fifth grade "back in the day".
How about the parents of these kids?!
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You're right. A lot of kids my age are like that. I'm definitely not. I get all A's, I read a lot, yet I still do stuff with friends and mess around outside. If you don't have that balance you'll never be successful. But you can't blame the kids as much as it seems you want to. The parents are the ones who are at fault. It is because of them not doing their job worth a crap that kids are like that.
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How about the parents of these kids?!
Its not their fault. Its the fault of their great great great great grand parents for raising crappy kids.
Gotta distance oneself from personal responsibility as far as possible. 
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McCain: Obama needs to consult on stimulus
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Former presidential rival John McCain expressed disappointment on Friday that President Barack Obama has not negotiated with Republicans over a huge economic stimulus plan and said he is working on an alternative package.
Speaking to Reuters, Arizona Sen. McCain said the alternative plan would include what he described as "more effective tax cuts, such as a payroll tax cut" and spending on projects aimed at immediately creating jobs.
"A group of us Republican senators are working on coming up with an alternative package that I would hope would have some elements to it that Americans would support," said McCain, who lost the November 4 U.S. election to Obama, a Democrat.
"One, we have to have an alternative and two, we still hope that the administration -- although time is running out -- that the administration will sit down and do some serious negotiating, which they have not done," he said.
An $819 billion stimulus plan passed the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives on Wednesday, with no votes from Republicans.
The Senate, also controlled by Democrats, begins debate next week on a bill that contains $342 billion in temporary tax breaks and more than $545 billion in spending to total about $887 billion.
McCain said it was helpful that the Democratic president visited Capitol Hill this week to talk to Republicans about the stimulus plan but that "some very rapid and dramatic outreach" is needed.
"I have to tell you I'm disappointed so far in the administration's lack of consultation or efforts to work with Republicans on the stimulus package," McCain said.
'BRING THEM TO THE TABLE'
It is one thing to talk to Republicans, he said, but "it's entirely something else to bring them to the table and sit down and say, 'OK, how can we come up with a common outcome that we can agree on?' They haven't done that."
Obama would like some Senate Republicans to vote for the plan as a way of expressing bipartisan unity on the need for a massive stimulus package aimed at stopping the slide in the U.S. economy.
But Republicans complain that some of the spending items are more about furthering the Democrats' policy agenda than giving the economy a jump-start.
Obama said after his talks with the Republicans on Wednesday that he did not expect to get 100 percent agreement from them or even 50 percent, and that they had relayed a number of suggestions to him and he had described his own approach.
McCain said he is working with Republican colleagues Mel Martinez of Florida, John Thune of South Dakota, Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, Lindsay Graham of South Carolina and others on the alternative plan.
"Republicans are not reluctant to spend money or to appropriate money to try to get the country moving again economically. We just see this legislation as not achieving that goal," he said.
A payroll tax cut would be a way to immediately put extra cash into workers' pockets. But during earlier discussions about the idea, some senators questioned whether the cut would be significant enough to be beneficial.
McCain, whom Obama has sought to woo as an ally in the Senate, also expressed concern about Obama's nominee to be deputy secretary of defense, former Raytheon Co. lobbyist William Lynn.
Critics have said Lynn's nomination seemed to violate Obama's ban on hiring lobbyists.
McCain, the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee that is considering Lynn's nomination, said Lynn so far has not told him what defense issues he would recuse himself from as a result of his Raytheon ties.
"I'm not trying to hold up or block his nomination but I do want to get some answers and then I'll be glad to move forward when we get the answers. But I do need the answers," he said.
McCain made clear he has moved on from his disappointment at losing the November presidential election to Obama. He said there are many areas in which he hopes to find common ground with Obama, such as controlling government spending, improving health care policies and focusing on national security issues.
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