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just clicking ... some comments about the game...
--Man, I used to breathe the NBA but the older I get the less time I have for things, and the NBA is one of those things that got put on the backburner a bit. Sucks too 'cause I feel guilty pulling for the Cavs when I don't get the chance to watch much.
--The Cavs are in desparate need of an athletic big man that has some offense. Bosh anyone? Cavs would be perennial FINALS members if they could add him in the offseason.
--Jordan Farmar and Sasah Vujacic are quite possibly the two worst NBA players I've ever seen. If these guys did not play for the Lakers or Phil Jackson, I don't think they'd be in the NBA. So I find it extremely disconcerting when the Cavs guards just simply do not eat their lunch. For as good as Williams has been, he should destroy guys like that, and he just doesn't. I think Williams is a nice third or fourth piece, not 2nd piece - which goes back to my first point.
--LeBron is a frustrating player to me in that he has a part-time killer instinct. I'm sorry, but some games mandate that you force the issue and put your stamp on the game, and this was one of them. And he didn't. He played kind of laid back until midway through the 4th when it was too little, too late. Yet, he'll have games like he did against Detroit a couple of years back where he seems to understand the moment and grab it. You really don't know which LeBron you are going to get when there is a big game. I just hope that the term "always a bridesmaid, never a bride" doesn't get applied to him when it's all said and done. I don't think it will, especially if my point #1 happens.
shh you're not allowed to be critical of lebron on here..you're absolutely right though..and its something i've said most of the season..we need more depth up front.. defense is nice, but the team with the most points wins, and you can't always rely on your guards to get theirs off..you need force it inside to get that balance...outside of Z, there is noone..i wish lebron would post up more instead of bringing the ball down. he could easily be dominant at the 4, probably wouldn't be able to play as many minutes, but i'd like to see it more than we have..this game would have been a good game to do that.
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what does going to college have to do with anything?
and i have great conversations on here all the time, hence the reason i come here and talk basketball.
but your knee jerk reactions are typical, and very annoying.
lolz @ knowitall. ok dude.
sorry..nothing kneejerk about my statements..they are called observations...am i calling them the worst team in the east. or they won't make the playoffs etc..no, simply stating what i've noticed. Just because they are negative, don't mean they aren't right..sorry if you think that. I happen to be a die hard fan having season tickets for nearly 11 years. but i also know they aren't perfect. when they play like crap, its not a crime to say it..damn i bet if you asked them they'd say the same thing..and yeah its only february and there is a ton of basketball to play. But this is also when the stage is set for playoffs..this is the time you position for home court. I can't honestly sit here and say i think we'll get home court as we stand..sure we are a great team. but we have some pretty obvious weaknesses.
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i'm gonna start calling him tim legler.
and you steven A. smith.. 
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so heres the question... with the trade deadline less than 2 weeks away. do we stand pat. What was once our most prized trade asset (zerbs) has now become our most reliable shooter. With west coming back and gibson struggling and sasha not being healthy. Throw in the fact that wallace/andy are 1 dimensional and Z just coming off injury. who's trade material and who's available that makes sense..phoenix made their whole roster pretty much available..brad miller isn't worth i don't think, at one time maybe,but not now. people who pimped gerald wallace..i could see, but hurt..
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I happen to be a die hard fan having season tickets for nearly 11 years.
You have season tickets, and you miss one of the biggest games of the regular season, while you are sitting on a computer? 
Anyway, you are wrong. Be critical of LeBron if you'd like, but at least make your statements be accurate.
Did LeBron have a bad game? Yes. Did LeBron take some bad shots late in the game? Yes. Was LeBron not very aggressive early in the game? No he wasn't. Was LeBron lazy? No.
Dude, we are 39-10... Best record in the East. We're 23-1 at home. Give them a break.
PS- I'm not just a blind LeBron lover, either. LeBron shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Kobe.
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so heres the question... with the trade deadline less than 2 weeks away. do we stand pat. What was once our most prized trade asset (zerbs) has now become our most reliable shooter.
I'd stand pat.
Also, nothing may come it, but we tend to forget that Eric Snow is $7.1 expiring (I believe).
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shh you're not allowed to be critical of lebron on here..
see, i don't get that at all. everyone who regularly participates in cavs/nba discussions on here is always critical of lebron when he deserves it...
yes, he was not great today, but i pin more of this game on our defense, and more importantly, not boxing lamar odom out, and letting him have his way on the boards.
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so heres the question... with the trade deadline less than 2 weeks away. do we stand pat. What was once our most prized trade asset (zerbs) has now become our most reliable shooter.
I'd stand pat.
Also, nothing may come it, but we tend to forget that Eric Snow is $7.1 expiring (I believe).
from everything i have read, it seems to be the better idea to let snow expire...
someone else may be able to go further into it, but i think windy said the cavs are better suited letting his deal go through...
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i'm gonna start calling him tim legler.
and you steven A. smith..
i don't make ridiculous remarks about teams or players based upon what my "sources" tell me.
you, my friend, are tim legler because you played the "well, i played college basketball" card.
hahaha, what's up, legs.
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Good grief... We lost the game cause we scored 30 points in the second half... Gotta score more than 30 in a half to win.. Combination of a lotta things, but u still gotta make shots to win... we had a lotta good looks that we missed in the second half, period.
Hickson and our bigs had a rough time of it on defense... Just gotta move on and start gettin a body on guys.. Instead of just crashin the boards, we need to locate and get a body on people...
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it'll be nice to have d-west back too, not saying his presence would have won the game, but in times where we struggled like we did tonight, he's a guy who can calm things by knocking down shots.
but it's obvious that jj is not quite ready leaving us with a hole in the frontcourt. the 3 man rotation of z, ben, and andy, isn't good enough.
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[5-20 is lazy. yeah he had a good floor game in the first half when we were rolling. but disappeared down the stretch..and i'd love to see where i bitch when they win?
You bitched after the Detroit win.
So if Lebron had been hitting and he was 15 for 20 would that not have been lazy? The Cavs and Lebron just went cold in the second half.
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If we can't beat the Lakers, what chance do we have at a championship?
a regular season matchup is usually about who is playing better at that particular time, other things take effect, but for the most part, the lakers today showed they are playing better basketball...
doesn't mean they will win the finals, doesn't even mean they'd beat us in a series.
an nba playoff series isn't about who's hot, or streaky, it's about who's better... 99% of the time a series is won by a team that's just better...
it's not like the nfl, where you had a team like tennessee, who was clearly better, had the much more impressive body of work, and lost to baltimore, if you played the ravens and titans over a 7 game series, tennessee would probably win.
that's why people always say jump shooting teams don't stand a whole hell of a lot of chance in the playoffs... in a 7 game series it is really tough to get that streaky.
try and not take too much from this game, it's just one game. yeah, they swept us, but come playoff time, that won't matter. you think boston's worried about it?
what matters is that we get ourselves back on a winning streak, i love that we seem to be winning 4 out of every 5 or 6 lately... that's championship basketball. nobody can argue that.
we're 39-10 and people are complaining, that's awesome.
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If we can't beat the Lakers, what chance do we have at a championship?
Eat it Phil...
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If we can't beat the Lakers, what chance do we have at a championship?
In the 2006-2007 regular season we swept the Spurs 2-0.. Remember what happened when the finals rolled around?
I hate to keep beating a dead horse here, but this is really simple guys... We had 61 pts at the half.. We have not lost a game all year when we have scored 100 pts... We went cold, period... We had good looks that we just didn't hit... The reason we have been successful all season is that we have generally been able to avoid the droughts that we have had in the past...
Defensively, game planning had nothing to do with it.. MB cannot go out their and "locate" Lamar Odom when a shot is in the air..
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Sprained ankle to sideline Pavlovic
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INDEPENDENCE, Ohio -- Cavaliers starting guard Sasha Pavlovic could miss up to six weeks with a sprained right ankle, another injury setback for a team which had won all 23 of its home games until Sunday.
Pavlovic sustained a high ankle sprain at the end of the first quarter Sunday in Cleveland's 101-91 home loss to the Los Angeles Lakers, with NBA's best record at 41-9.
An MRI taken Monday revealed the extent of the injury. The Cavaliers estimated Pavlovic will be out for a minimum of four weeks and possibly six.
The 6-foot-7 Pavlovic is averaging 4.9 points and 16 minutes per game for the Cavs. He was starting for injured guard Delonte West, who has been out since early January with a broken right wrist.
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Al Jefferson done for the year as well (Minnesota). He tore up his knee. Mike Miller to the Cavs now?
Why is EVERY team in the NBA suffering injuries, except the damn Celtics. I hate them.
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this injury bs is really gettin old... Wally gonna have to go 40+ again on both Tuesday and Wednesday nite....
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I would rather have our injuries now, and let the Celtics have theirs right before the playoffs start 
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Maybe it's just me since I'm alittle under the weather tonight but we look sluggish.
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LeBron with 28 at the half but it doesn't seem like anyone else is stepping up.
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all these injuries are killing us, one thing is evident, we need a post scoring threat and someone with a little more strength and length down low...hickson is too raw to play against some of the elite fours. but he's not my concern..having andy and wallace on the floor together...yikes. But i'd hate to trade zerbs right now, and i think if we trade snow we save 6 mil and if we let it expire its 11mil save...not 100% but that sounds about right. joe smith would be a nice pickup or camby. Probably gonna have to be someone we get with a pick or if someone gets bought out. I've seen scenarios where wally is involved in the deal to be bought out by the team and able to come back to the cavs ala mcdyess. That would be the best scenario. not much gonna happen i'm afraid. Congrats to MO. sure nice to be recognized i'm sure..how nice of stern to make it seem like a sympathy pick...mo should have been on the first round of pick at the very least if not voted in..
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definite makeup call if i've ever seen one, granger clearly moved lbj out of the way, and on the final play, lebron did absolutely nothing.
our defense is pathetic, we can't get stops, why do we always leave the freaking shooters on the perimter wide open?
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well we know mo and boobie can't guard on the ball, damn, i believe had west been in, diener and tj ford don't get what they did...tj ford did whatever he wanted...seriously how does the rotation leave Z out at the 3 point line on ford...that should never happen. Refs had too much say in this game..either way on the lebron or granger call...grangers was more of a foul than lebrons...lebron had position granger didn't...no way granger should get that call over lebron...glad to see lebron hitting free throws again...andy needs to shoot about 7k next practice. tough loss...not really the way we need to go into break..need to win against suns..and don't let them leave town unless they leave shaq or amare
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definite makeup call if i've ever seen one, granger clearly moved lbj out of the way, and on the final play, lebron did absolutely nothing.
our defense is pathetic, we can't get stops, why do we always leave the freaking shooters on the perimter wide open?
yeah like i said...refs should never determine the outcome like that..and o'brien should have been T'd up on the lebron foul. yeah we don't really have a good on the ball defender other than west/lebron..and is it me or did Z and wallace age 10 years in the last couple weeks...Z looks real slow on rotations. and andy ALWAYS caught looking in the paint and leaving his guy open for 3..that needs to stop
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Seemed like they were deflated from the LA loss. A great team needs to respond by coming out fired up. Injuries be damned. They are playing below their ability.
Mo Williams in the All star game responds with a terrible shooting night. no way we should have lost this one.
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Didn't get to see it but I listened to the whole thing on the radio. Sounds embarrassing for the Cavs. I've got tickets to tomorrow's game...they'd better step it up.
How were those last two foul calls, anyway?
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Didn't get to see it but I listened to the whole thing on the radio. Sounds embarrassing for the Cavs. I've got tickets to tomorrow's game...they'd better step it up.
How were those last two foul calls, anyway?
lebron went baseline for an oop, granger clearly got in the way as lebron was in mid-air, it was the right call
the second call lebron was behind the guy as he went straight on for an oop. a little contact, but he didn't move the guy like granger moved lebron
granger rerouted lebron.
that's what i can't stand about the nba at times, the refs felt like they owed that call to the pacers. it was not the correct call. i'm not gonna sit and cry about it, but it def was a bad call.
seriously, the all star break can't come at a better time, we need to regroup as a team. i know everyone is going to panic and demand a trade, but when this team is fully healthy, which has been a very long time since we've had that, we're damn good, maybe the best in the league. let's see what we do when we get healthy again.
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Turning the page from the debacle last nite....
Steve Nash was a late scratch for tonite with back stiffness... This is the last game of a road trip for the Suns...
I think it is actually good that we have a game tonite... No time to sit around and feel sorry for ourselves after last nite...
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Didn't get to see it but I listened to the whole thing on the radio. Sounds embarrassing for the Cavs. I've got tickets to tomorrow's game...they'd better step it up.
How were those last two foul calls, anyway?
lebron went baseline for an oop, granger clearly got in the way as lebron was in mid-air, it was the right call
the second call lebron was behind the guy as he went straight on for an oop. a little contact, but he didn't move the guy like granger moved lebron
granger rerouted lebron.
Lebron got it right with his comments afterwards. The first could have gone either way...the second was crap.
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I was at tonight's game. Defense could've been a little better, and Z was nowhere to be found, but overall a handy win over a pretty decent team. Mo was on fire!
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BIll Simmons made his annual "Trade Value" column. Hickson made honorable mention, and Lebron was #1.
J.J. Hickson: My favorite under-the-radar rookie and a legitimate 2009 Playoff X Factor. If he played for the Lakers, L.A. fans would be comparing him to a young Karl Malone right now.
1. LeBron James
Last February, I wrote that he didn't have a ceiling. This year? I figured out his ceiling. At least for right now. At age 24, he's a cross between ABA Dr. J (unstoppable in the open court, breathtaking in traffic, has the rare ability to galvanize teammates and crowds with one "Wow" play, even handles himself as well off the court) and 1992 Scottie Pippen (the freaky athletic ability on both ends, especially when he's cutting pass lines or flying in from the weak side for a block), with a little MJ (his overcompetitiveness and sense of The Moment), Magic (the unselfishness, which isn't where I thought it would be back in 2003, but at least it's in there a little) and Bo Jackson (how he can occasionally just overpower the other team in a way that doesn't seem human) mixed in ... only if all of that Molotov Superstar Cocktail was mixed together in Karl Malone's body. This is crazy. This is insane. This is unlike anything we've ever seen. And to think, LeBron doesn't even have a reliable 20-footer or a post-up game yet. See, this is only going to get better. And it's already historic.
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bill simmons, although annoying at times, is one of the few espn personalities that actually watches the game. not just highlights...
none of the nba studio guys for espn ever talk about hickson or guys like that...
they watch a 2 minute highlight clip and think they know everything.
but yeah, jj has potential to be very good...
needs to work on body control, defense, and maybe a 15-18 foot shot a la joe smith/antonio mcdyess. we've already seen his nose for being in the right place at the right time, as well as his ability to get up and block shots.
even if he turns out to be nothing, the pick looks good on ferry's part, because the potential and talent are there. it's up to mike brown and his staff to mold this kid...
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According to Ric Bucher and other people, the Cavs are actually in the running for Amar'e.
Man, I know Amar'e plays little defense, but LeBron, Amar'e, Mo is a legit dynasty.
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Simmons would be great if he didn't have such a heavy Boston bias. If he was from Cleveland, we'd probably think he was the best writer ever.  Hickson is definatly a raw talent. He needs to put on quite a bit of muscles still, and refine quite a bit of his game ... but at least he seems to have the frame to grow, and the age to really develop. It's too bad that Paul Silas isn't around as an assistant coach or something. I always though he did a great job teaching big men how to rebound and be an inside presence.
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A trade went down today....maybe it will kick start other deals. J. O'Neal and Marion are the key pieces: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3905146The Toronto Raptors have agreed to send Jermaine O'Neal and Jamario Moon to the Miami Heat in exchange for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks, league sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher. The deal is pending league approval, according to sources, and if approved, would be announced later Friday afternoon.
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