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It's owned by someone,, so even if they city didn't make the rule, the owner can certainly demand no smoking if that's what they put in the lease.. just like no pets allowed.
Whats wrong with keeping it that way? The landlord owns the property, let him/her decide if people can smoke in the apartments NOT the government.
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Public health advocates are closely watching to see what happens with Belmont, seeing it as a new front in their national battle against tobacco, one that seeks to place limits on smoking in buildings where tenants share walls, ceilings and - by their logic - air.
Keyz, it says TENENTS... doesn't say OWNERS........
You are right. It says tenants. But the owner can be a tenant too. Owner occupied in a multi-unit property the owner qualifies as a tenant.
You and I live in a building I own. We share walls, I have posted rules that tenants have to park in their space. That rule applies to me as well as you and any other residents. Just because one is an owner doesn't exclude him from being a tenant.
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See....My opinion is you and your ilk
Me and my ilk....... my ilk,, what exactly is my ilk,,, am I guilty of something other than having a opinion... You have every right to disagree with me... no problem, you have no right to condemn me as backbone less... That's kinda hypocritical.. you practiced law, yet you forgot that a person is innocent until you can prove they are guilty of something....
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Whats wrong with keeping it that way? The landlord owns the property, let him/her decide if people can smoke in the apartments NOT the government.
there isn't anything wrong with keeping it that way., in fact, it's the smarter and more honest way to do it... this city making this law ticks me off... and I don't like it. it should be the owner of the building making this decision.. not some government entity..
In fact, I didn't like nor did I support the law in ohio that stopped allowing smoking in bars... I mean, if smoking in bars is allowed, and you don't like smoke, don't go to bars that allow it... go to a bar that says,, NO SMOKING... doesn't need legislated. shouldn';t have been and I'm still ticked about it.
and I'm an ex smoker that can't stand the smell of smoke anymore, but I'm not for the gov to make that decision.
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You and I live in a building I own. We share walls, I have posted rules that tenants have to park in their space. That rule applies to me as well as you and any other residents. Just because one is an owner doesn't exclude him from being a tenant.
as a landlord as well as a resident, if I make a rule, then I would think it applies to me as well as you, my renter.. but we are playing with words here,k you know that's not what I meant...
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I know it's not what you meant bud. Really I do. But the problem is that when you're dealing with politicians, they will twist anything they can. And the way it is worded makes all the difference.
They are seriously going to take this to the next level. It won't be long before they twist and turn it into something that doesn't resemble the original intent.
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Forget that guy Keys...he has no clue what he is talking about.
You don't have to own the property for it to be considered your home.
If we took it to his interpretation, you don't actually own a home until you pay it off....if you really owned it, why send off $1000 checks every month?
If states are so dead set against tobacco, they should try to just ban the sale of it.....but then they would lose out on millions in tax dollars.
Like I said....the world is overcrowded with limp minds.
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You don't have to own the property for it to be considered your home.
But if we're talking about a dorm or a smoke-free apartment, it's a different story.
The way I see it, these bans are going to continue to get worse. But there's always going to be places that won't have anything to do with it. As much as I disdain and rail against smoking bans...the dolts have a right to vote them in, and if I don't like it I can move somewhere else. I'm glad we have our San Fransiscos and Tuscaloosas and Vegas' and Manhattans. Something for everyone, from the rednecks to the babies.
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so your smartbutt remark means what again?
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It means you don't care about the constitution of the former United States.
Don't waste my time.
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Freedom is slowly suffocating in this country. And no one really cares. I really hate the direction we are heading and more and more I am considering life outside the United States---problem is, most other countries aren't much better.
It seems to me that increasingly the role of government is to dictate to the populous how to live their lives----and no one gives a damn. Everyone goes through the motion like a bunch of robots. And it won't change---and it can't change because the system in to entrenched---it has established itself in a way that stifles the possibility of any real change. That is why I don't believe that voting will ever yield any significant change in policy or in the way government conducts itself.
Its all very, very depressing for me.
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Just jumpin' around in this thread and I gotta say one thing......... Dude, why are you in such a bad mood lately? You've been posting like someone peed in your cereal for about 3 weeks now. Santa Claus stiff you at Xmas?
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LOL....not in a bad mood at all.
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But if we're talking about a dorm or a smoke-free apartment, it's a different story.
That's what peen isn't seeing in what I'm saying. If you rent, its considered your home,,,, That part I get.. no problem, but if the rule of the LANDLORD are such that it doens't allow pets,,,,,,or smoking. than that's the rules.
If your a tenent and you don't own your own home, then you don't set the rules. THat was my point but Peen has something stuck up his butt and won't hear an alternate view. Instead, he turns to insults.
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but if the rule of the LANDLORD are such that it doens't allow pets,,,,,,or smoking. than that's the rules.
If your a tenent and you don't own your own home, then you don't set the rules.
It took you several replies but you finally made a good point. 
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They are seriously going to take this to the next level. It won't be long before they twist and turn it into something that doesn't resemble the original intent.
I have no doubt they will try... if we let them. But that's not what I was talking about.. somehow this got all thrown off kilter.
All I was ever trying to say was two things
1. I don't like someone legistating what I can or can't do in the dwelling I pay to live in
2. If I'm renting, I gotta live by the landlord rules.... if he says no pets,,, and no smoking,,,then that's the way it is. Go to a hotel, ask for a smoking room,, ok.. now ask if it's ok for you to smoke in a non-smoking room.
SOme places in NYC will charge you the room rent for up to 3 nights while they clear the air in the room and figure they can't rent it. it's insane, but they own the place and they make the rules
So if this city wanted to stop smoking, the right way to do it was to get the landlord to make it part of any new lease that is signed..
I'll go one step further... the Federal governement didn't seem to have much problem keeping the car industry on a string dangling when they were there with thier hand out...
Yet, smoking has been proven to be bad for your health... and they still allow cigs to be made and sold in the US.... Tell me, why let the auto industry dangle out there and allow an industry that produces poison to continue?
Just make the manufacturing of cigs and growing of tobacco illegal.... and that ends the problem. no more discussion of second hand smoke.
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if we let them
Other than our votes every two or four years, how exactly do we stop them? They make up these stupid laws every five minutes and it seems nobody even knows they're coming until they pass.
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but if the rule of the LANDLORD are such that it doens't allow pets,,,,,,or smoking. than that's the rules.
If your a tenent and you don't own your own home, then you don't set the rules.
It took you several replies but you finally made a good point.
Landlords can set rules...they don't want smoking in their building..have at it...with my support.
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Other than our votes every two or four years, how exactly do we stop them? They make up these stupid laws every five minutes and it seems nobody even knows they're coming until they pass.
Oh Michelle,, I really wish I knew the answer to that.. I do not.
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It took you several replies but you finally made a good point.
LOL Sometimes I'm a little slow on the uptake  But I eventually get there.
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1. I don't like someone legistating what I can or can't do in the dwelling I pay to live in
We agree! lol. No, seriously, I agree with that and that's my point. In it's entirety.
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2. If I'm renting, I gotta live by the landlord rules.... if he says no pets,,, and no smoking,,,then that's the way it is.
Again, I agree. If the landlord has rules, I stand by his right to make them and enforce them.
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Go to a hotel, ask for a smoking room,, ok.. now ask if it's ok for you to smoke in a non-smoking room. SOme places in NYC will charge you the room rent for up to 3 nights while they clear the air in the room and figure they can't rent it. it's insane, but they own the place and they make the rules
I catch anyone smoking inside my villa's its an automatic $250 charge. If there is damage (holes in the furniture etc.) they get charged for the repairs too.
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I catch anyone smoking inside my villa's its an automatic $250 charge. If there is damage (holes in the furniture etc.) they get charged for the repairs too.
Can they smoke outside their doors? On the patio or deck? And, yes, they should be charged for damage. And, smoke odor is damage, IMO.
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Grandfathering it is just a means to temporarily placate those that would otherwise object. 
The fact that it is becoming law at all is the problem, not how it will be implemented.
And I agree with you 100%.
But can people really have it both ways? I mean everybody screams about "state and local authority rights". So you either accept such off the wall BS by allowing each little town to impose such stupidity, or you let the federal government stop such invacive laws.
When you get a bunch of yuppies running a town, look at the results? I don't really see how people expect it to go both ways. You either give the power to "the locals" to impose such stupidity, or you have the federal government stopping them from it.
Which would require more federal regulations. Isn't that what so many hate around here?
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catch anyone smoking inside my villa's its an automatic $250 charge. If there is damage (holes in the furniture etc.) they get charged for the repairs too.
It was about 2+ years ago, I was still a smoker at the time.. My business partner and his girlfriend and my wife and I decided to visit NYC... Take in a show, (jersey boys,,, highly recommended), eat a few nices places (patsys,,, amazing italian food) and just basically visit the city that never sleeps.
Anyway, in booking the rooms, my partner wanted I think the Stargate or something like that.. I checked and they said it was 100% non smoking... They didn't even allow smoking in front of the building OUTSIDE...
FIrst time I ever heard of that.. but hey, we when to a different hotel,, not as fancy but still quite nice. Even there, they told me that if we smoked in a NON Smoking room, they would charge us the room rate for 3 nights until the air completely cleared..
We smoked, we rented a smoking room, so no problem, but still, I thought that was amazing. Never before had I heard of such a thing..
But it's thier hotel so it's thier rules, and if a patron doesn't like those rules, go elsewhere.
I just prefer that if the city wants to stop smoking in apartments, then they approach the apartment owners and make a case to them about it. rather than pass a law that just ticks people off.
Like I said before. smokers are people and they have rights also.. sometimes, they get trampled... and I don't care for that either.
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I catch anyone smoking inside my villa's its an automatic $250 charge. If there is damage (holes in the furniture etc.) they get charged for the repairs too.
Can they smoke outside their doors? On the patio or deck? And, yes, they should be charged for damage. And, smoke odor is damage, IMO.
Yes, Anywhere outside is fine, including the wrap around screened in porches. We provide the ashtrays out there for them. I make sure they see it on the sign in sheet and it's posted in the rooms as well, so they cannot say they didn't know.
To be honest, I think I've only had 2 people that I've had to charge because of that.
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To be honest, I think I've only had 2 people that I've had to charge because of that.
that's probably a pretty good record overall.. you must be letting them know in a strong enough manner so they get it. that's good.
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I lived in an apartment here in ohio for 3 years and the people smoking cigarettes below me had an impact on me... that nasty smell always was rising up into my unit. i really could care less if people cant smoke. im glad they arent stinking up restaurants and bars like they used to. lived with their stink my whole life until these wonderful laws passed. hey smokers: WE SHARE THE AIR
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I lived in an apartment here in ohio for 3 years and the people smoking cigarettes below me had an impact on me... that nasty smell always was rising up into my unit. i really could care less if people cant smoke. im glad they arent stinking up restaurants and bars like they used to. lived with their stink my whole life until these wonderful laws passed. hey smokers: WE SHARE THE AIR
LOL, they got you hook line and sinker bud. You don't care that this liberty will be gone cause it doesn't affect you right? Wait till they pick something that does....And then they tell you what you can and cannot do in your own home.
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I lived in an apartment here in ohio for 3 years and the people smoking cigarettes below me had an impact on me... that nasty smell always was rising up into my unit. i really could care less if people cant smoke. im glad they arent stinking up restaurants and bars like they used to. lived with their stink my whole life until these wonderful laws passed. hey smokers: WE SHARE THE AIR
LOL, they got you hook line and sinker bud. You don't care that this liberty will be gone cause it doesn't affect you right? Wait till they pick something that does....And then they tell you what you can and cannot do in your own home.
you cant kill someone in your own home. you have to follow the laws. smokers are idiots for puffing down cancer sticks anyway. i used to be a smoker and i gave up that stupid addiction years ago. enjoy your filthy corporate drug you silly smokers
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I lived in an apartment here in ohio for 3 years and the people smoking cigarettes below me had an impact on me... that nasty smell always was rising up into my unit. i really could care less if people cant smoke. im glad they arent stinking up restaurants and bars like they used to. lived with their stink my whole life until these wonderful laws passed. hey smokers: WE SHARE THE AIR
Being a non smoker now, I don't care for the smell either. I know few non smokers that accept it and enjoy the smell..
But that's not the problem.. you say that we (meaning non smokers) share the air..... and that's true, but Smokers share the air also...
Growing Tobacco, picking tobacco, turning tobacco into Cigs isn't illegal.. You don't have to have a dealer to find cigs... you don't have to hide your cigs from the cops... at this moment in time, it's not illigal to possess and smoke cigs. (except where expressly prohibited)
So until they make it illegal, then they (smokers) have the same rights as you can I....
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