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Sunday Special: Mangini is man in charge, but he's not making friends By Todd Porter CantonRep.com staff writer Posted Jan 31, 2009 @ 05:21 PM A group of writers were sitting around the other night doing what we do best before a Cavaliers game — eating. While munching and waiting for one of the NBA’s best teams to take the floor, what do you suppose the conversation turned to? Well, it didn’t turn to as much as it was consumed by ... the Cleveland Browns. We are such miserable louts and as such take great joy in finding misery. There is no better place to find that than at 76 Lou Groza Blvd. A Browns insider told me the atmosphere at headquarters is, to put it mildly, miserable. New Head Coach Eric Mangini is running the place like Napoleon. Days after Mangini slobbered about the history and tradition of the team, he had a mural of former Browns greats taken down near the players’ entrance. OK, maybe he wants the team to make new history and quit living in the past, but they had better understand the past. The Browns are — hands down — the worst operated pro team in Cleveland, and that’s all we could talk about? We were incredulous at some of the team’s moves, such as owner Randy Lerner handing out close to $30 million in salaries, then purging his staff. Many of us had friends who worked for the Browns. They were laid off from $50,000-per-year-type of jobs. It’s hard to wrap your head around that when Lerner is paying former Head Coach Romeo Crennel, former GM Phil Savage and former Offensive Coordinator Rob Chudzinski about $28 million not to work for the Browns next year. That’s bad business, and that’s being a bad owner. If you want to know what kind of flavor new GM George Kokinis has when talking to the media, stick a piece of notebook paper in your mouth and chew on it for a half hour. I give Mangini and Kokinis no more than three years before Lerner has sold the team. That’s right. Lerner will sell the team before he hires another head coach. Mangini is alienating players already. At a recent public function that Mangini and Pro Bowler Shaun Rogers attended, Rogers said he had yet to meet Mangini but hoped to that night. A few minutes later, Mangini walked past Rogers, who’s hard to miss at 360 pounds, without introducing himself. Yeah, I see how things are starting. Mangini will run off the guys who don’t worship at his feet in the locker room, then need more “time” to rebuild the roster, thus keeping Lerner’s endless circle of rebuilding going. If Lerner, Mangini and Kokinis fail, maybe he’ll do us a favor and sell the Browns to LeBron James. link
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It sounds like the media is already attacking Mangini because he isn't "media friendly." maybe some of what they said is true, but Mangini is here to be the head football coach, not friends with the players.
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Surprise, surprise. Another writer bashing Mangini, Kokinis, and Lerner.
It's getting a little old... and predictable.
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I could care less what's coming out of the rags anymore it's mostly all negative except Pluto....And besides we get the inside info when CoachB can get it to us....Hope he's doing better.
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Slow media day Todd?  I dont see this as bad. Sure, there's an iron curtain-like barrier over berea right now. I'm not exactly sure where the talking heads get off thinking that everything the browns organization does has to be disclosed/explained to the media for their and the fans approval.
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Wow : Even for the Cleveland Media ; That is rather rough !
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j/c I guess my question is, are any fans really buying all this negativity? Now, I will say once again that the writers shouldn't be writing only fluff positive articles. The organization should be held accountable, just like anyone else. However, it just seems to me that there is so little coming out that is even remotely positive. Instead, we hear about "insiders" saying the environment is "miserable." Yeah, because the buddy-buddy environment of the past few years yielded such fine results. I stand by my belief that the only thing that matters is getting wins. I don't want a coach just because he's a nice guy. I don't want a GM just because he's willing to talk to the press. I want a coach who wins games. I want a GM who brings in proper talent. And this just cracked me up: Quote:
Yeah, I see how things are starting. Mangini will run off the guys who don’t worship at his feet in the locker room, then need more “time” to rebuild the roster, thus keeping Lerner’s endless circle of rebuilding going.
Uh, where the heck did that come from? It's bad if Mangini runs guys off who don't worship at his feet, but the players need a coach who will worship at their feet?
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Sunday Special my ass.
I'm sick of hearing these writers crying about the loss of their best friends. DEAL WITH IT, it's your job to report the news, not to complain to the customer.
I'm just about sick enough to puke with the way the media is attack this team.
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Wow. This new regime literally hasn't even gotten anything important done yet except hiring assistant coaches, and they are already being slammed.
Is it very objective to complain about your friends being fired from the team?
What is good for the team really... Bringing in a a new coaching staff and having to pay romeo crennel? Or hanging on to Crennel just so Lerner doesn't have to lay off a bunch of PR / Media personnel. I'm glad Lerner is spending the money on what counts: Players & Coaches. I don't care about the PR / Media / Operations people. it is too bad they lost their jobs, but I only care about the football aspect of the organization.
It is no big deal about the mural being torn down. They can always put up a new one. It was just done to send a message to the current players... It doesn't have anything to do with disrespecting past browns players.
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What's the real point of an article like this? It isn't informative in any way. Just one guy who for whatever reason doesn't like the new hires. What's wrong with waiting to find out how they do before we start bashing the moves?
His job is not to make friends but to build a winning team. If he does that then who cares if he is nice to the media. I will like the guy
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Now I REALLY want the Browns to win even more just to see the media reaction afterwards.
If they fail, it could get REAL messy.
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Now I REALLY want the Browns to win even more just to see the media reaction afterwards.
If they fail, it could get REAL messy.
You have to wonder if there's any way for the Browns NOT to fail in the eyes of the media.
We have to assume that Mangini and Kokinis will make mistakes. Show me a coach and a GM who haven't. The problem is, those mistakes are going to magnified so much and the successes will be overlooked. At least that's the way things seem to me.
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Many of us had friends who worked for the Browns.
Translation: We're very ticked off that people who gave us inside info are no longer there. Now we might have to work harder to research our stories. That damn Mangini wants to keep in-house information in-house. How dare he!
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Wow, he gleened a lot of information from one insider saying they don't like Mangini...  Quote:
We are such miserable louts and as such take great joy in finding misery.
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Which must make it tough since the last administration ran it like Caligula... 
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Many of us had friends who worked for the Browns. They were laid off from $50,000-per-year-type of jobs. .... That’s bad business, and that’s being a bad owner.
Not if they were non-essential jobs, if they were fluff, or if your "friends" weren't doing their job.. then it's good business and it's being a good owner. The irony is, the reporters opinions are, We want the team to win, we want the team to win, we want the team to win... we just don't want to change the culture that has been losing for decades... makes perfect sense to me.
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So freakin' what. Maybe he had somewhere to be.. Good grief stop with the speculation. He walked past a Browns player at a function without introducting himself therefore he's alienating players? According to the other thread, Cribbs went to talk to him and is completely enamoured with him and they sat and talked for a while... guess nobody told Cribbs to feel alienated.
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Okay, I can see your point Todd, but tell us how you really feel... Wow, he just lays it all out there! Mangini is Napoleon! Lerner will sell in 3 years! Conversation with Kokinis is as bland as chewing on paper! Who pissed in his WHEATIES?
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LOL Cant' find one positive... NOT ONE... what is wrong with these sports writers...... In another thread, I eluded to maybe the ones that got laid off were talking to the media out of school... Then we read this part from Todd: Quote:
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Many of us had friends who worked for the Browns. They were laid off from $50,000-per-year-type of jobs.
LOL Kinda makes you think those that are gone are the ones that were leaking info....and that's why NOTHING is coming out of the Berea Facility.
I keep saying it and saying it, don't take this stuff the writers are all writing to seriously at this point.. they aren't getting any info from the browns so they gotta just take bits and pieces and try to make sense of it. Frankly, they aren't good at it.
According to this article and this writer, Mangini is shaking things up..... Can someone tell me exactly what's wrong with that? it wasn't functioning all that well to begin with so yeah, shaken it up might be the right thing to do.
As for the Shaun Rogers thing, I got nothing to say.. I don't know if it happened the way this reporter reported it or not. But it doesn't sound one little bit like what Cribbs was saying about his conversation with Mangini now does it.
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Last out of the three...wow, stop the presses, the team without a title since 1964 is worse than a team without a title since 1948 and the team to have never won a title. With all due respect to each franchise, they all "stink" (and this is coming from a diehard Cleveland sports fan). It's like arguing over which cow patty is the best looking (I know, the Cavs are hot right now....I'm talking last 25 years). And maybe I'm a little bitter after watching Pittsburgh [win won last night], Detroit, Chicago, Boston, and New York win title after title without us getting even a sniff. Anyway.....worst of three....who cares!
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Sounds like he stating his bias in the beginning of the paragraph so we know what to ignore about the last half of the paragraph. And I bet this writer would have been one of the first to write the "What is Lerner doing?" had rac, Savage and Chud kept their jobs for 2009. If you want to fire them, you have to pay them too, it's in the contract.
As far as Mangini, good...I hope he runs a tight ship. We've seen so many Browns teams quit on this town near the end of the season. I'm sick of it. And Todd doesn't know if Mangini went up to Rogers later in the night. So what if he passed him once without saying hi. Maybe he didn't see him, yes I would notice him in a heartbeat.....but Mangini might not have seen him. Who cares!
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I see no reason to treat the office staff like dirt. If, indeed, that is what is happening then shame on Mangini and shame on Lerner for allowing it to happen.
I have no problem with Mangini being a hardass with the players. It's quite possible that is what is needed to reshape this team. But only a classless jerk treats the support staff like that. Let's hope these reports are exaggerated because I doubt they are totally wrong.
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I hope they're not treating anyone like dirt.
But, quite frankly, if they treat everyone like absolute crap, but it leads to us being a perennial powerhouse, then do it some more!
It's cold and heartless, but one of the reasons I like the Browns doesn't happen to be "they're so nice to their support staff!"
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I see no reason to treat the office staff like dirt. If, indeed, that is what is happening then shame on Mangini and shame on Lerner for allowing it to happen.
I have no problem with Mangini being a hardass with the players. It's quite possible that is what is needed to reshape this team. But only a classless jerk treats the support staff like that. Let's hope these reports are exaggerated because I doubt they are totally wrong.
What should Mangini or Lerner be ashamed of? They fired a few people that was leaking info to the press? For firing people, for a business that Lerner owns? Trying to change a culture of a losing franchise?
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Ok Todd-
I don't care how bland the new crew is, what their "flavor" is, or how little they talk to you so you can write these little columns.
All I care about is what happens on the field.
We haven't had a single practice. We haven't made a single draft pick, and we haven't even hit free agency. Until real things happen- not media events or painting the friggin' headquarters- I don't really give a damn.
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And this is what gets me about it, Daman. I really, really think they're trying to drum up criticism before the team even takes a snap.
If we don't start 5-1 or some awesome record like that, we're in trouble.
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Wasting your time.
The orange and brown coolaide is free and refreshing,right now.
The HC walks by a player without acknowledging him means nothing,unless you're that player.
The HC removes the HOF mural from the wall,means nothing.Unless you're a life long fan who watched and admired many of those players.
But it's all the reporters fault for printing nothing but negative articles.
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If you see no problem with firing people just because Mangini feels like it then I doubt anything I could say would change your mind.
But the "leaking info" rationale is BS and you know it. It's not NSA or CIA in Berea. It's a freakin' football team. And a bad one at that. But that is a nice way to deflect attention from the real problems.......Namely, crappy players and poor coaching.
Hopefully, Mangini's methods will improve the on-field product. But if he's got the same "deft" touch on the field as he seems to have in the office I'm not putting any money on it just yet.
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Wasting your time.
The orange and brown coolaide is free and refreshing,right now.
The HC walks by a player without acknowledging him means nothing,unless you're that player.
The HC removes the HOF mural from the wall,means nothing.Unless you're a life long fan who watched and admired many of those players.
But it's all the reporters fault for printing nothing but negative articles.
Why should we care if the painted over a damn mural? 99% of us never saw it anyway, so who cares?
And the whole Rogers-Mangini thing may be blown out of context, maybe they nodded at each other, maybe the waved at each other, maybe Mangini is in a rush. You, me, or this garbage reporter do not know.
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If you see no problem with firing people just because Mangini feels like it then I doubt anything I could say would change your mind.
But the "leaking info" rationale is BS and you know it. It's not NSA or CIA in Berea. It's a freakin' football team. And a bad one at that. But that is a nice way to deflect attention from the real problems.......Namely, crappy players and poor coaching.
Hopefully, Mangini's methods will improve the on-field product. But if he's got the same "deft" touch on the field as he seems to have in the office I'm not putting any money on it just yet.
Lerner fired them, not Mangini.
You really think Mangini is firing the writers?
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Wasting your time.
The orange and brown coolaide is free and refreshing,right now.
The HC walks by a player without acknowledging him means nothing,unless you're that player.
The HC removes the HOF mural from the wall,means nothing.Unless you're a life long fan who watched and admired many of those players.
But it's all the reporters fault for printing nothing but negative articles.
No, it's the reporters fault for saying he's alienating players when he can't point to one player that says he feels "alienated"...
It's the reporters fault for saying removing this mural means anything to everybody... I've been a fan for 30 years, I watched and admired a lot of these players... but you know what I've never seen and never would see? The mural. If not for a bootleg video I probably would have no idea what they were talking about.
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Yes it is.. when we've seen no results. Have players asked to be traded? Have free agents refused to sign with us? Have draft picks said they don't want to come here? Have we lost a single game from undisciplined play or poor in game management? No, we have not... so why don't we let it unfold just a little, before we unload all of our baseless negative frustration.. huh?
And the part about Randy Lerner selling the team in 3 years if we don't win... if Howard Stern said that it would be considered for nothing more than "shock value"... and that's what this is.. nothing but shock value.
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"maybe they nodded at each other, maybe the waved at each other, maybe Mangini is in a rush."
Or maybe,Mangini's just a little fellow with a large Napoleonic Complex .
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Wasting your time.
The orange and brown coolaide is free and refreshing,right now.
The HC walks by a player without acknowledging him means nothing,unless you're that player.
The HC removes the HOF mural from the wall,means nothing.Unless you're a life long fan who watched and admired many of those players.
But it's all the reporters fault for printing nothing but negative articles.
Regarding the HC walking by a player... unless we were there and in Mangini's head... it's too soon to jump to conclusions.
Regarding the mural.... I understand it is being moved... not removed from the facility. I actually agree that I'm not sure that placing a mural of legends on the locker room entrance is the best way to motivate todays generation. It is time to create their own great history, not contanstly be reminded of somebody else's yesteryear that none of these kids could have seen or had an attachment to.
Regarding the firing of the office employees... Welcome to America in 2009! I can assure you that MANY companys / teams are doing the same thing. Is it a feel good situation.. HELL NO... is it good business right now.... I'm afraid it is.
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Lerner fired them, not Mangini.
You really think Mangini is firing the writers? C'mon, even a Kool-aid drinker like you can't believe that. Lerner has been majority owner since Al died in 2002. He just figured out that 20 or so people in Berea were a "problem"? All at once? It's a coincidence it happens a week after Mangini is hired? uh huh..........
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"maybe they nodded at each other, maybe the waved at each other, maybe Mangini is in a rush."
Or maybe,Mangini's just a little fellow with a large Napoleonic Complex .
Or maybe he is just a great guy.
You don't know and I don't know, and I can put money on it that this garbage of a writer doesn't either.
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Okay, so aside from the media, why would you think he has a Napoleonic complex? Have you seen it before?
I'm not saying you're wrong, but let's just stick to the facts. Right now, we don't know crapola.
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Lerner fired them, not Mangini.
You really think Mangini is firing the writers?
C'mon, even a Kool-aid drinker like you can't believe that. Lerner has been majority owner since Al died in 2002. He just figured out that 20 or so people in Berea were a "problem"? All at once? It's a coincidence it happens a week after Mangini is hired?
uh huh..........
First, how am I a koo-aid drinker? Because I have hope that this situation works?
second, Who runs the organization, Mangini or Lerner? Do you think Lerner is a puppet who is having his strings pulled by Mangini?
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Don't start that stick to facts bullspit.
The only fact is;
The new HC walked by the player without so much as a howdy-do.
There could be a million reasons why he did that.The other posted listed some,I added another.
Mine just happened to be much more negative.You see,when the same guy hires the same people,expect the same results.
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It really doesn't surprise me to see some of the responses on here. There is talk of drinking the Kool Aid.....yet it seems there are a few that are sipping on the journalist juice  It's really pretty simple. The media have been left out of the loop. They got their info from sources and now the sources have dried up. Their ego demands that they be privvy to any and all information. After all, they have articles to write. So, what do they do? They go after the people they feel are at fault and try to teach them a lesson and break them. They feel they have this unfettered power and right to information that doesn't even flipping exist yet. All they care about is filling the space with babblings and selling a newspaper. Do you want the REAL reason that no news is coming out of Berea? The real reason is because there's nothing to discuss right now. Gini and Coke (and the assts.) have been going poring over game film from last season and evaluating players. They have been watching film of FAs coming on the market. They have been watching film and poring over scouting reports of players in the draft. There's nothing to report at this point. Whining and blaming Gini for Lerner's decisions in the support staff is laughable and desperate....but I see it doesn't stop people from swallowing it. Why didn't Gini introduce himself to Rogers and snubbed him? It's rather simple...Gini was on his way to talk to someone (this part I know) and, while Rogers is a large man, may simply have not known who Rogers was as he wasn't in uniform and if introductions were needed never met him before (that part is just speculation). OMG, the biggest sin ever.....taking down a mural that the public doesn't see! The whole FO and coaching staff should be tarred and feathered! Please, if these are the types of things that the media has to point to as how terrible Gini is, it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain what the media's agenda is....payback. Even after all the evaluations are done, why in the world would Gini and Coke fill in the media on their conclusions for them to print for everyone to see..including those drafting that would know where the Browns are looking and want the same player and trade up over them? Why would they tip their hand about who they want to keep and who they think needs to go and drastically reduce their trade value? Common sense should come in to play somewhere, don't you think? There will be less leaks now and that's a good thing for the team. Thankfully, I still get my information, as I'm not in the media and any conversations I have are private.  Nordawg, thanks for the good thoughts. I'm hanging in there.
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LOL...calm down there bud.
How is my "sticking to the facts" bullspit? I wasn't aware that was an awful approach. I'm just advocating a little patience.
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Do you think Lerner is a puppet who is having his strings pulled by Mangini?
Actually, up to this point I see no reason to think otherwise. When the HC picks the GM and the owner just does his imitation of a bobblehead then just exactly what would you have me think?
Look, this may all work out fine in the end. I hope so. But the taste that is starting to form in my mouth says "not so much".
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I agree with what you're saying. The media is grasping at straws, finding whatever they can, adding their own spin to it, and putting it in a column.
I really don't give a crap about what they say right now.
NOTHING has been done. Free agency, the draft, mini-camps, training camp, preseason....NOTHING. If you're going to base your judgments on what is being painted in Berea and what happens at an appearance, then you're clueless.
The product on the field is all that matters right now folks.
Do I care if Mangini is bland?
Do I care that the media isn't getting all the dirt?
Do I care if they don't divulge what they ate for dinner last night and if they crapped it back out in the morning?
Hell no. I care about wins and losses and the performance on the field.
The writers can find something else to complain about in the mean time.
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Look, this may all work out fine in the end. I hope so.
Well, at least we can agree on the some of the second part.
you had a good run Hank.
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Well, I'm glad you feel better. I was gonna have trouble sleeping tonight.......
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