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This article is crap, but I do agree that Learner is a crappy owner.
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It really doesn't surprise me to see some of the responses on here. There is talk of drinking the Kool Aid.....yet it seems there are a few that are sipping on the journalist juice 
It's really pretty simple. The media have been left out of the loop. They got their info from sources and now the sources have dried up. Their ego demands that they be privvy to any and all information. After all, they have articles to write. So, what do they do? They go after the people they feel are at fault and try to teach them a lesson and break them. They feel they have this unfettered power and right to information that doesn't even flipping exist yet. All they care about is filling the space with babblings and selling a newspaper.
Do you want the REAL reason that no news is coming out of Berea? The real reason is because there's nothing to discuss right now. Gini and Coke (and the assts.) have been going poring over game film from last season and evaluating players. They have been watching film of FAs coming on the market. They have been watching film and poring over scouting reports of players in the draft. There's nothing to report at this point.
Whining and blaming Gini for Lerner's decisions in the support staff is laughable and desperate....but I see it doesn't stop people from swallowing it.
Why didn't Gini introduce himself to Rogers and snubbed him? It's rather simple...Gini was on his way to talk to someone (this part I know) and, while Rogers is a large man, may simply have not known who Rogers was as he wasn't in uniform and if introductions were needed never met him before (that part is just speculation).
OMG, the biggest sin ever.....taking down a mural that the public doesn't see! The whole FO and coaching staff should be tarred and feathered! Please, if these are the types of things that the media has to point to as how terrible Gini is, it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain what the media's agenda is....payback.
Even after all the evaluations are done, why in the world would Gini and Coke fill in the media on their conclusions for them to print for everyone to see..including those drafting that would know where the Browns are looking and want the same player and trade up over them? Why would they tip their hand about who they want to keep and who they think needs to go and drastically reduce their trade value? Common sense should come in to play somewhere, don't you think?
There will be less leaks now and that's a good thing for the team. Thankfully, I still get my information, as I'm not in the media and any conversations I have are private. 
Nordawg, thanks for the good thoughts. I'm hanging in there.
Oh hey look, COMMON SENSE decided to show up in this thread!
But like I've said earlier...I'm really worried about the media drumming up a fan backlash. Lerner could really help himself with us if he would talk to the fans in front of a camera or have an informal lunch with some of the sports jocks around here. They don't know if he cares or not cuz he never comes on camera.
Only guy with any real common sense in the reporting these days is Terry Pluto. I'm not saying I'm sold on Mangini or Kokinis...but after my own research, I feel a lot more comfortable now than when I heard Mangini was the favorite to get the job (I wanted McDaniels) and some guy I never heard of was our top GM choice.
And I really hope those film evaluations are more along the lines of "there's something we can work with here" rather than "Oh God we need more than 4 picks this draft!"
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Since you replied to me;
I could care less about news coming out of Berea,as a matter of fact,I've never mentioned it,let alone whined nor complained.
The people getting fired,don't know any of them,so I don't care about them.Everybody gets fired at least once.
Your explaination on Rogers and Mangini is just what you said,simple.There are few 380lb players in the NFL,and only 1 on the Browns.Being at a Browns function,the odds are pretty good the 1 380lb man there is Rogers.
We all can speculate on what went on.There may even be a very good reason why the HC ignored one of his players,it just don't make sense to me right now.
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Well, I'm glad you feel better. I was gonna have trouble sleeping tonight....... 
Don't worry, I wasn't going to lose any sleep over it.
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But like I've said earlier...I'm really worried about the media drumming up a fan backlash. Lerner could really help himself with us if he would talk to the fans in front of a camera or have an informal lunch with some of the sports jocks around here. They don't know if he cares or not cuz he never comes on camera.
I don't really feel like Lerner needs to be on camera. How many other owners across the league are on TV very often? Just because he isn't on camera explaining things every few weeks or months doesn't mean anything. He just seems like th ekind of person that would rather stay out of the spotlight. Nothing wrong with that.
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Just about what i figured Coach.....But you say it so much better...Good to hear from ya..
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It wasn't just a reply to you, BC, but there's alot of what you posted that reads like you are believing everything that the media is spewing right now.
As for Rogers, yes, he's the only BROWN that weight 360 pounds, but was he the only MAN that was? If "Big Dawg" (pre-surgery) had been at a function, is it an automatic that he played for the Browns? Mangini may have even recoginized him, but was going to speak to someone else (I know that for a fact). Maybe he had every intention of going back and talking to Rogers later....maybe he even did so. We don't know any of that. What I do know is that I have been rushed at a function at the college and passed by a recruit to talk to someone that I had to speak to. I then made it a point of going back and talking to that player later and explaining the situation. No harm, no foul....unless you are trying to paint someone in a bad light because you want some silly revenge for not getting the information you feel you're entitled to.
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You keep going back to no info thing and I don't know how I make this any easier to understand,I don't care.I can well imagine that they are busy with other things.
As always,you believe the org.is making the right moves.I just don't have that optimism any longer.
I'm hoping you weren't impliing that Mangini would have difficulty distinquishing between a 50 year old Big Dawg and a 30 year old Rogers.
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Where did I say Gini and Coke was making the right moves? THEY HAVEN'T MADE ANY YET. It's hard to judge if they have made the right move or not until they actually, ya know......make one My point was that you are making it sound like Rogers was the only man in the room that was 360 pounds. I never said that he would mistake Big Dawg for ROGERS...just that going by what you said, any big guy in the room would be assumed to be a player.
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As always,you believe the org.is making the right moves.I just don't have that optimism any longer.
I guess I just don't understand pessimism.. I mean if you think the Browns aren't going to get any better, then why waste your time here?
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To clarify....We ALL remember Belichick or Belidick as many would refer to him as  ....I do agree that a firmer hand has been needed in Berea for long time....That said , as of today Mangini is not Belichick and until Mangini starts helping the Browns win multiple Super Bowl Titles he shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Belichick  ....When your an @ss and your winning your also a Hero....When your an @ss and your losing your still an @ss....It remains to be seen what will be Mangini's fate....As for Kokinis , when you hire the Buddy of your Head Coach, who while he has NFL experience has never been a GM in the NFL , you have to expect that he might sound like he has a mouthful  ....
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By my estimation I've got another 40 years.Between now and then this team will be good.
Besides,I'm way too stubborn to give up.
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By my estimation I've got another 40 years.Between now and then this team will be good.
Besides,I'm way too stubborn to give up.
Good for you.. then take the optimistic approach and find as much to feel good about as you can for the next 7 months because once we take the field, anything can happen...
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Once all this SB hoopla passes,the sun comes back and temps start rising,I'll be able to get behind this bunch of noaccounts.
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I hope so on two fronts......I hope you have 40 years or so...shoot, lets go for 55....but once you can start looking at obits and see people your age passing away from things other than skydiving accidents and the cause of death things that are pretty normal, you just never know how much time you have.....you may have 2 years...and I pray that isn't the case....really.
If you had asked me in 1964....when I was 16 or 17 what I thought the odds were we wouldn''t win another championship by 2009, I would have told you that you were crazy.
Life has taught me that the number of years you go without a championship doesn't increase your chances.
Don't be content to win one in 35-40 years....far too soon you will be 60 and pretty damn tired of losing.
Diam says stats are for losers....I say patience is for losers.
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Once all this SB hoopla passes,the sun comes back and temps start rising,I'll be able to get behind this bunch of noaccounts.
Have you considered a profession in writing for the Cleveland media?
I find this type of article amusing. It's amusing to me they are so shut out they whine like little school girls who get their pony-tails pulled. This particular writer is an idiot as you know that Mangini is going to have a very long memory for trash like this...
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As a matter of fact I have.With no news coming from Berea,there would be nothing to do.Getting paid for doing nothing has always been something I have aspired to.
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But the "leaking info" rationale is BS and you know it. It's not NSA or CIA in Berea. It's a freakin' football team.
Well, actually, what kinda business they are is rather irrelivant. If the top guys don't want stuff leaked, then that's that.
I'm not saying that these people got fired for leaking info, but I am saying it's possible.
Work for any corporation and leak info to the press that they don't want out yet and you will be in trouble. Fired,, maybe.. maybe not. Probably depends on how paranoid managment is or what type of info you leaked.
I find it amazing that we knew where Lerner was meeting people and he never told us anything. And it didn't appear that he spoke to any of the press beyond that first conference after firing RAC and Savage.
So where was his schedule coming from? How were they getting it? Who would know how to reach the boss and when he had meetings?
Yet we sure seemed to be hearing a lot about his schedule during the interviewing and hiring process. how'd that happen? Who told the press?
So to say that this isn't the CIA or FBI and so leaking isn't a factor isn't exactly convincing and I don't think it's accurate.
But that's just my opinion
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I just don't have that optimism any longer
Just as a innocent bystander I noticed something. You call these guys cool-aid drinkers because the say positive things or feel optomistic about somethings. But yet you admit that you have no optomism, so everything you say is in a negative light. You are doing the exact same thing you accuse others of doing, only on the other end of the spectrum.
You are using your pessimistic feeling to justify that any thing anyone says positive is wrong. Yet never thinking that you are ever wrong about everything being negative.
Objectivity is what you lack. Just because you disagree or have different feeling about the situation does not make you right, nor does it make the other person right. Your opinion is one thing, but chiding anybody elses opinion, makes yours less genuine, and reeks of bias thinking.
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I'm not a pessimist. Nor am I an optimist.
I'm a realist.
Reality is we sucked last year.
We have the current Superbowl champ in our division, as well as a tough Baltimore team who advanced to the playoffs. We have talent, but we also have major holes. Though we do have talent, our level of talent needs to increase to compete with these teams.We have a new regime who have yet to do ANYTHING other than to partially name a coaching staff, and paint over a mural.
Is that good?
Or is that bad?
It's NOTHING. We don't know squat until we start making some moves and move into our offseason program, see what we have and assess the product on the field. We don't know how many wins we will have as a team by knowing Mangini had a mural painted over, and he didn't stop and introduce himself to Shaun Rogers. And then I have to read some rubbish about Lerner having to sell the team in 3 years because of this?
What utter BS that is. I can't believe a professional writer can put out garbage like that.
I don't have an inside source like Coach, but it doesn't take a "source" to call out a PO'd crybaby journalist.
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New Head Coach Eric Mangini is running the place like Napoleon.
I like to hear this. We need a change from Club Crennel and if the players don't like it they should have played better when they had it easier.
Additionally Napolean was a great General until his neurosyphilis got the better of him and he split his troops to fight two fronts. I maen c'mon simplist military minds know you don't fight two fronts unless you have no choice.
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New Head Coach Eric Mangini is running the place like Napoleon.
I like to hear this. We need a change from Club Crennel and if the players don't like it they should have played better when they had it easier.
Additionally Napolean was a great General until his neurosyphilis got the better of him and he split his troops to fight two fronts. I maen c'mon simplist military minds know you don't fight two fronts unless you have no choice.
Let's just hope he's not burying his hand where it can't be seen...
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Bout time we ticked a few people off.. being nice didn't work.
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1) 4-12 record = top 5 pick = losers. 2) There's been a management/staff/coaching purge. 3) We're rebuilding again. 4) We're better off than the last time we had to rebuild. 5) There are no guarantees this regime will be any more successful than the past 3 "Saviors". 6) Beyond that, nobody knows anything. I did find this article interesting in light of Peter King's Rooney/Squeeler We-all-love-each-other Chemistry-does-matter article. But by now, my interest has waned. :yawn:
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Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe Mangini and Rodgers already spoke prior to this function? I know when I have been at company functions that I walk past people I have no problems with. This does not mean that I have something against them or don’t want to talk to them. I have walked past my friends even at parties and not said anything to them if I was on my way to do something else. Point is that it means nothing that Mangini walked past Rodgers. I mean seriously ask yourself if you have ever walked past someone and not said hi. I know that I don’t feel the need to walk around and say “Hi” every second when I see someone I know. This is crappy journalism at its finest. Obviously this reporter lost his inside scoop and has a bitter taste in his mouth. I really don’t care about anything in this article as its completely bullcrap, Mangini and Kokinis are doing what they are supposed to do, I mean what does he want Mangini to do have a presser every day saying “ well its day 4 of our roster evaluation and as of right now we are still looking at the roster, thanks” or maybe “Today we sat around and discussed possible draft choices, but couldn’t come to an agreement on who we want yet so I will keep you posted” there is nothing to report this time of year. The Cavs are tearing it up why don’t he take his focus to basketball and give Lebron and the boys their credit they deserve?
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At a recent public function that Mangini and Pro Bowler Shaun Rogers attended, Rogers said he had yet to meet Mangini but hoped to that night.
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and we should take that as truth?
maybe Rodgers didnt want to get into what they talked about?
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Just having fun with you Tub, but it does say they hadn't met yet. Admittedly I am assuming that at least that part of the article was factual.
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after reading that article i couldnt help but to think that the whole thing is crap. For all we know Rodgers maybe didnt want Porter all over him asking him questions about what they talked about, or how it went and took a easy out.
He would know that Porter is looking for anything he can write about and maybe he didnt want to get caught up or tricked into saying anything he wasnt supposed to say.
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It really doesn't surprise me to see some of the responses on here. There is talk of drinking the Kool Aid.....yet it seems there are a few that are sipping on the journalist juice
It's really pretty simple. The media have been left out of the loop. They got their info from sources and now the sources have dried up. Their ego demands that they be privvy to any and all information. After all, they have articles to write. So, what do they do? They go after the people they feel are at fault and try to teach them a lesson and break them. They feel they have this unfettered power and right to information that doesn't even flipping exist yet. All they care about is filling the space with babblings and selling a newspaper.
Do you want the REAL reason that no news is coming out of Berea? The real reason is because there's nothing to discuss right now. Gini and Coke (and the assts.) have been going poring over game film from last season and evaluating players. They have been watching film of FAs coming on the market. They have been watching film and poring over scouting reports of players in the draft. There's nothing to report at this point.
Whining and blaming Gini for Lerner's decisions in the support staff is laughable and desperate....but I see it doesn't stop people from swallowing it.
Why didn't Gini introduce himself to Rogers and snubbed him? It's rather simple...Gini was on his way to talk to someone (this part I know) and, while Rogers is a large man, may simply have not known who Rogers was as he wasn't in uniform and if introductions were needed never met him before (that part is just speculation).
OMG, the biggest sin ever.....taking down a mural that the public doesn't see! The whole FO and coaching staff should be tarred and feathered! Please, if these are the types of things that the media has to point to as how terrible Gini is, it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain what the media's agenda is....payback.
Even after all the evaluations are done, why in the world would Gini and Coke fill in the media on their conclusions for them to print for everyone to see..including those drafting that would know where the Browns are looking and want the same player and trade up over them? Why would they tip their hand about who they want to keep and who they think needs to go and drastically reduce their trade value? Common sense should come in to play somewhere, don't you think?
There will be less leaks now and that's a good thing for the team. Thankfully, I still get my information, as I'm not in the media and any conversations I have are private.
Nordawg, thanks for the good thoughts. I'm hanging in there.
Thank you. I felt a need to say a bunch of things but this post pretty much sums it up.
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I wish I could be a fly on the wall while they're breaking down film. I really wonder how different the communication is this time vs. with Romeo and Phil when it comes to breaking down the films. Seems like they're doing it together. Seems like they both have a clear vision on what they envision a Cleveland Browns player being. The Jets have had some pretty good drafts the past few years despite the Gholston whiff. Tannenbaum was known as a "business type GM." Perhaps Mangini has a pretty good eye for talent himself, and that can help with the process considering this is a team effort. Most notably, I wish I knew what their evals on our team are. My take? There's work to be done, but not 4-12 bad. Maybe more like 5-11 Ravens of 2007 bad?  (ok, not defensively, I know that, but in terms of getting better fits with what we want to do like they did in their offseason last year...they took their talent and filled out the roster and you have the ending result...I wonder how much of an impact that would have on us)
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Pssst ...Here's what they're saying over and over," Man this guy sucks I can't believe this is a pro team."
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Personally I could not possibly care less if they paint the entire building ..... fire half the team and/or front office staff ......... tick off each and every sports writer in town ....... and Lerner personally pees in Todd Porter's Wheaties each and every morning as long as the team wins. That's the bottom line to me. The approach that was being used wasn't working. That doesn't automatically make a new approach a winner ...... but it doesn't make it a loser either. I'm willing to give the new guys a month or 2 before I go screaming for their heads. 
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Pssst ...Here's what they're saying over and over," Man this guy sucks I can't believe this is a pro team."
Do you really think that? i know you were joking there but I know some people say this team severely lacks talent. I don't believe that to be the case...I believe we need to fit our depth to our systems better.
6 Pro Bowlers last year, 3 this year (Cribbs should have gone). DQ is a 3rd alternate. Steinbach is perrennially a solid player.
I believe Braylon's gonna bounce back. Winslow? I don't know cuz I worry about his body breaking down. I'm still not ready to call Wimbley a bust...especially if Rob Ryan schemes him right.
At least I hope I'm right, I know this is the optimist view of this but I couldn't help but think we could have won more games had we been healthier, more in sync and better coached.
Kokinis filling our depth has a lot to do with being "healthier" cuz every team has injuries.
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j/c...
Mangini is not here to make friends... How many "friends" did Bobby Knight have?
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Many of us had friends who worked for the Browns. They were laid off from $50,000-per-year-type of jobs. It’s hard to wrap your head around that when Lerner is paying former Head Coach Romeo Crennel, former GM Phil Savage and former Offensive Coordinator Rob Chudzinski about $28 million not to work for the Browns next year. That’s bad business, and that’s being a bad owner.
Uh-huh.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
I'm glad the media is honked-off. It means this organization is no longer catering to their needs.
Tough [censored].
"Mangini is man in charge, but he's not making friends...."
Crennel made a ton of friends, but was never in charge.
I'll take the former.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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articles like this make me hate the off-season that much more....they have nothing to write about so they make crap up. i dont care if the guy walked into the locker room and flipped every player off then walked out...as long a W is the outcome Sunday Im a happy Browns fan!
#brownsgoodkarma
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and we should take that as truth?
maybe Rodgers didnt want to get into what they talked about?
Quite frankly, If I were Rodgers and saw how the media was twisting around every detail to fit their agenda's, I wouldn't say a word to them either. 
Crowded elevators smell different to short people...
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