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I'm interested to see what Mangini is going to do with the QB situation. Most think Mangini and Kokinis will trade Anderson and Quinn will be the starter. Personally I hope this is the case as Quinn seemed, to me atleast, to manage the offense better than Anderson. I was hoping to find stats on how many penalties the offense had (ie delay of game and false starts) when each QB was at the helm. I couldn't find them on NFL.com. However, their passing stats are nearly identical. The only stat that isn't that close is sacks. On average, Anderson was sacked once every 20 passing attempts while Quinn had 89 total pass attempts with only 1 sack. Quinn looked stellar against Denver. He had 239 passing yards and 2 TD's. It was so disappointing when Winslow allowed that final pass to slip through his hands on 4th and 1. Here's Quinn's highlight video against Denver. It was hard to be upset with Winslow because he had a great game up until that play.

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Passing Statistics
NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A LNG TD TD% INT INT% SACK YDS RAT
Derek Anderson 142 28 1615 50.2 5.71 70 9 3.2 8 2.8 14 87 66.5
Brady Quinn 45 89 518 50.6 5.82 42 2 2.2 2 2.2 1 9 66.6


For comparison purposes here's Andersons highlight video against the Giants. Personally, I think these two games (Denver and NY Giants) were the best performances by our offense all season. I believe, in the Giants game, our offensive line was at it's strongest and Anderson had 310 passing yards and 2 TD's. I'm hoping with Andersons performance in 2007 and the Giants game in 2008 he'll be traded for a late first or second round draft pick.

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I agree and think that Quinn will be the starter....while i seriously like DA and wished it would have worked out the fans will never give him a chance. The guy has one hell of a cannon for an arm and just needs a decent QB coach to help him develop.....Quinn is alot more of a moble QB and can make alot of the throws that DA can, but his legs can get him out of a tight spot where as DA is sorta moving a slug speed

And the off-season has just begun... We have months of this yet to come...

Trade DA soon and get this over with

Seasontics....first...your new so welcome to the board...

second...bad idea

you say whats a bad idea?...starting a QB controversy/comparison thread on this message board.

good luck...mac

Yeah....welcome to the board since you've only been here for a little over 2 years.....

Didn't your momma ever tell you,,, Stats are for losers

Just kidding with ya..

Diam is his momma

It's all coming together for me now.. thanks GM

I am probably in the minority when I hope we stick it out with Anderson.

Anderson is the better prospect. Repeat after me:

"you don't thow 29 TD passes in the NFL and be a bad bum QB"

Name we 1 QB in the NFL that did so that stunk?

Only 1 person comes to mind, Don Majkowski but he got injured and Farve took over and no one looked back...Hardly Maj's fault.

What has Quinn done? to deserve the be the franchise QB?...Anderson has done more than he has.

re-watch the Buffalo Bills game last year...there is a reason Quinn slid as far as he did...because he has a noodle arm...Tim Couch had a better arm thna Quin prior to his shoulder problems...and couch didn't have a "great" arm per se

Quinn is easy to game plan for as a DC...simply bring pressure right up the gut and cover the short stuff and he, like Charlie Frye, will simply struggle Because he does not have the arrm to make the throws required to beat that defensive game plan..The Bills did it all game and Quinn had no answer...

Anderson reminds me of a Young Brett Farve/Kurt Warner...both are pocket passers, both are immobile, yet they are 2 of the greats in the modern era.

The only reason Big Ben is able to be so successful when he runs is because Ben has "a much better arm" then Quinn does and Defense have to respect Ben's Ability to throw 35+ yards with accuracy on the run....Quinn will "never" be able to do this...the kid just don't got the arm to do so.

Brady Quinn = Chad Pennington with a slightly worse arm than Chad

Mangini is a very smart guy and im sure he sees this...most NFL Scouts and other are enamored with Anderson for a reason...because hs is the better prospect of the two...Rip Schurer(SP?) as much as many didn't like him is considered a top notch QB coach in this league...if he says Anderson is the better prospect, he is the better prospect.

Even Bill Cowher says Anderson is a QB a team can win with...Anyone remember when Cowher said "Anderson will get a chance to start next year"? (This occurred with about 6 games left in the season when Cowher was "thinking" about coming back to coaching..he later changed his mind of course.

If Bill Cowher, Schurer, and a few others deem Anderson to be a starting quality NFL QB i think i would take their word for it..

You do know it was Phil Savage who pushed to start Quinn...the coaching staff knew he wasn't ready or seen enough of him to know he wans't the better option

Make no mistake, Mangini is here to win football games, and after watching the film, don't be suprised if Mangini sticks with Anderson and trades Quinn, Anderson has a higher ceiling and is "young" has a much better arm

Anderson is 1 season with a good Qb coach away from being a top 7 QB in this league...he broke all of Sipes and Clevelands team record for TD, lead this team to the most wins in the regualr season since the 94 season and you folks want to run him out of town

Anderson took "way" too much of the blame last year, unfairly...there was much more to our team than the QB

Anderson had a 13 point lead in Baltimore the Defense blew for him
Anderson had a 13 point lead the week before the defense blew for him

How is that Anderson's fault? He had us in position to win...he doesn't tackle guys on Defense.....

I know many Steelers fans that tell me daily with a lugh at if we get rid of Anderson then our team truly are dolts

Quinn hasn't proved jack to me ..Anderson is the way to go

Proof?

It takes QB 3 full years of playing to "get it"

This would technically be Anderson's 3rd full year and i bet he would play extremely well given the chance.

This kid did nothing but shoulder the blame of the whole team on himself, is a stand up guy in the community has done nothing more than play his heart out of this city and they boo him in return...is it any wonder we are a laughing stocck?

Peyton Manning and others had a "sophmore slump" its the nature of the beast

this team is giving up on Anderson too soon

Mangini for the love of all that is holy....please don't give up on Anderson yet,

As for Brady Quinn, you better hope Anderson is kept, because if they hand the whole team to you...i feel sorry for you

If Quinn is the man, he will be crucified and ran out of town in 2 years....

If i was QB coming out of the draft, there is no way I'd play here...being a Browns Fan i know how we treat our own kind...if they called my name, I get on the poduim and say "Are you Nuts!? im not playing there!"

Mark my words...Quinn will be crucified if given the gig here...he will struggle like i know he will, and he will be crucified....Anderson will go the to the Vikes and get them over the hump and deep into the playoffs and perhaps a SB appearence while we remain in the gutter with Quinn..remember i said that

also, if Warner retires, rumors are Wisenhut is very interested in Anderson...if Ken Wisenhut thinks Anderson is a starting QB..he is starting QB

the Anderson Quinn decision is what is bothering me most...i just hope Mangini doesn't go with the popular opinion(Quinn) who is not as good of a prospect as Anderson...or we will be doomed and picking a QB in the top 5 3 years from now....Anderson was never given a fair chance here

I think modern day Browns Fans would run Brian Sipe out of town for crying out loud!

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the fans will never give him a chance.

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If you adjust your statement to: the fans will never give him another chance - then I might agree with you but only for a percentage of fans.

The fans were behind DA in 2007 from the 1st Cincy game through the 2nd Cincy game. And if the Browns were to give DA another chance and he performs then most fans would get behind him. Sure some BQ fanatics will never get behind DA but if DA plays like he did the 1st half of '07 then most fans would support him.

Here's my take.


From what many have gathered, quite a few believe we will be running some form of a WCO based O. That would lean toward a QB who is more nimble, can help buy a little time in the pocket and is accurate, with a quick release on short to medium passes. Yet at the same time, posesses enough arm to burn your oponents deep when and if our oponents overcompansate to stop you on what you're beating them at.
( Any WCO variety of O is based on the ability to run combined with the type of QB and passing game described above )

To me, this would lean towards a "Quinn like" QB.

Also, he broke the index finger on his throwing hand, from what I understand, in the first quarter of the next game. So badly in fact, that it required surgery. So while I understand that it's the "body of work" from a player that counts, I believe that when factoring in that well over half of his starting time was with an injury that effected his accuracy, some of these stats might be a little scewed.

Would they have been better? Who knows? None of us really do I suppose. But we really only have seen him play "one healthy game". Which is not nearly enough to form a pattern or evaluate if he will be the answer.

But it was a show of his potential. On three days notice he was prepared, performed well and seemed to have a good command of the huddle IMO He didn't seem in awe of the situation or nervous. All of which I think are good indicators.

But the jury is still out on the evidence "we've seen as fans". But it most certainly seems his style and the potential he has shown are good reasons for optimism IMO.

Actually I've been a member of the board since it's started on the official browns website. I thought my post was pretty objective. Yeah maybe it's beating a dead horse but it's a topic I wanted to discuss.

Aaron Rodgers has a much better arm then Quinn does

as a matter of fact, had Rodgers been in the same draft as Quinn Rodgers would have been picked 1st and Quinn would have slid even farther.

Rodgers is not a bad Qb at all, and has an NFL Caliber arm...the dude throws a nice tight spiral with some good velocity behind it

quinn's passes don't have the velocity behind them that Rodgers/anderson's balls do...that is why those 2 can thread the needle and quinn won't be able to

Even Ben has good velocity on his passes

watching quinn's passes "take forever" to get to their target reminds me of Charlie Frye...

or Sipe, and Kosar

You know how we have that one emoticon for beating a dead horse.. like the one that Toad used on this thread earlier?

Well, do we have one with a guy throwing more wood on the fire... Cause very soon now, a argument will start as to why DA is better than BQ or why BQ is better than DA....

KoB's post just tossed a lot of wood on that fire

Tough to judge Quinn by stats. How do you conclude anything from the last two games considering he played with a bone fracture and ligament/or Tendon damage in the index finger of the throwing hand.

Thats 2 thirds of the data base you are presenting.

JMHO

Either way it's a tough decision.

On one hand you have a QB that went to the Pro Bowl in his first season as a starter. The down side is he has had quite a few bad games last year and a toward the end of the season before. The upside is that he throws a nice downfield ball and he is young and will continue to develop.

On the other hand you have a hyped young Quarterback that flashed some skill in a couple games last season. The down side is that he hasn't played enough for us to say he's the man to lead this team. I don't buy into the whole arm strength thing because I have not seen enough of him to make an opinion. Plus I perfer accuracy over arm strength. The upside is that he has shown flash at such an early age and has alot of leadership ability.

Either one of these guys could have very successful NFL careers given their ages and what they have done up to this point. However, this is the NFL and that means both of these guys can flop and be out of the NFL in 2 seasons. No one really knows at this point. I have to put my trust in the organization to make the right move. They know these guys and they see them everyday in practice. I just hope they make the right choice because I finally want to see some consistency at the position. These last 10 years have killed us mainly because of this position.

I hear ya toad,, I hear ya

IMO you trade DA for whatever you can get...put his name out there...and take the best offer...whatever that might be.

You hand the keys to the car to Quinn....tell him its his team for better or for worse this year....Don't be looking over your shoulder....don't worry about getting the hook....I am willing to deal with your first year starter mistakes...go out there...play your game...and take care of the ball.

You traded up to get this guy in the first round...you have to give him his shot....or you will end up just like the Packers did with Aaron Rodgers....its going to be contract time...and you still don't know if you have a QB or not.

HACK

PS I see you decided to come back Knight of Brown....Welcome back

thanks Hack

yes it seems like i just cna't get myself away from this madness lol

hope your still enjoying your dramatic win

On that note...if I had to evaluate BQ strictly on what kind of arm he had...I'd say his arm strength is close to Payton Mannings on that list of KOB.

I know watch all the credibility guys waiting to pounce on me. But Payton has a solid arm...not a Great arm. His thing is pin point accuracy and all remember half of his games are in Windless perfect conditions. Oh and of the current QBs I got Payton as probably the best of this ERA...I'm talking strictly - ARM STRENGTH.

Surprised KOB didn't add Spurgeon Wynn with that list

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"you don't thow 29 TD passes in the NFL and be a bad bum QB"

Name we 1 QB in the NFL that did so that stunk?

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Scott Mitchell ..... well technically he didn't throw 29 ... he threw 32 ... so i figured since 32 was higher than 29 that there was even less of a chance he stunk .. *L* ....

and dude ... just an FYI .... Drew Brees does not have a strong arm ...

Thanks....SCOTT MITCHELL!!!!.....I was trying to think of that guy...but could not remember his name.


HACK

Brees does not have a strong arm.
Tome Brady did not have a strong arm when he came into the NFL but it has gotten stronger.

A few names you forgot to add to your strong armed Qb list:

David Klingler = strong arm
Kyle Boller = strong arm
Jeff George = strong arm
Spergeon Wynn = strong arm
David Carr = strong arm
Joey Harrington = strong arm
Jason Campbell = strong arm (i know he was on your list but I think he fits in better with these guys)

And as for Garrard his biggest attribute was the lack of interceptions he threw for a team founded on defense and a running attack in the 2007 season. With a weakened oline he threw significantly more interceptions in 2008. I am not sold on Garrard belonging on your list (strong arm yes but successful? Not so sure).

A strong arm is a positive but that isn't all a Qb needs to be successful. His passes need timing and placement. He not only needs to be able to zip the ball in but throw with touch as well. Then there is leadership and the ability to read defenses. All of these are qualities that in combination give you a good Qb but you cannot isolate just one and say because of that he will be a great Qb.

Don Majkowski?? Not sure his totals but he looked really for one season.

Drew Brees and strong arm in the same sentance?

I watched DA in college... all too often, being in Oregon and all... he's the same player now that he was then. An erratic, poor decision making, big armed over thrower. The guy threw 53 INTs in college. 53!!! And that's in the Pac-10, a conference known for weaker defenses. 53!!! He would be a stud one week then completely brain dead the next. 53!!! It's the reason why he wasn't drafted until the 6th round. And he hasn't changed a bit since then.
I'm not saying Quinn is going to light it up on the NFL level but to even think that the two of these guys came out of college with the same tools is just ill informed. DA doesn't have nearly the mental make-up that BQ has... period.
It doesn't matter if you have a cannon attached to your shoulder if you don't have the mental tools to fire it in the right direction.

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I watched DA in college... all too often, being in Oregon and all... he's the same player now that he was then. An erratic, poor decision making, big armed over thrower. The guy threw 53 INTs in college. 53!!!

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Ya but everyone knows by now that (except U appearantly) ..... that was all the coaches fault .. they TOLD him to take chances and throw into QUADRUPLE COVERAGE cause it was the best chance they had to win ...

who cares if a guys triple covered .. HEAVE IT DOWN FIELD ANYHOW ...

don't U pay attention .. that has been well documented on here .. PAY ATTENTION ... its the coaches fault ...

Ya KOB mentions him in his original post .. he asked teh question and then gave a pretty damm good example himself .. *L* ..

The Majik man had one decent year ... but that was it ... wasn't much before that and not much after that ... although after that may have been because of injury ... not 100% certain but I believed he hurt his shoulder and was never the same ...

but his "majical" year was like in year 5 of his career after doing nuttin before that ... was more than likely a fluke ... like Mitchell and DA and a host of other ONE HIT WONDERS ...

I don't know how anyone can call Anderson a one hit wonder at this point. He's played only two seasons...one sent him him to the Pro Bowl.

I think he's implying that he will be a one hit wonder, rather than saying he is right now.

No ... i was NEVER ACTUALLY ON BOARD even at the half way point of DA's GREAT 1/2 A YEAR ... I said then that if I were running things he would not be the starter after the Bye .... I said I would get BQ's maturation proccess started now ...

I also said that DA had the "perfect storm" in the pre bye week games in 07 and that he was A BELOW AVERAGE QB in this league and nuttin more ...

I said he would CRASH DOWN soon enough ... i have never been on the DA is EVEN OK BANDWAGON ... to me he is and always has been a GREAT BACK UP and a below average starter ...

U will see ... WHEREVER he goes (cause he will not start here again ... ) he will FAIL AS A STARTER and end up either a career "floater' going from place to place and being a low low end starter ... or he will have a nice career somewhere as a VERY VERY GOOD BACK UP ...

thats what he is ...

I call him a ONE HIT WONDER cuse IMO that is what he is ... he just has not had the time to prove it to the folks that need to be poked in the eye by a stick to know that it hurts ... *L* ...

I don't share your enthusiasm for DA, but I do agree that he's a better prospect than Quinn.

Quinn has terrified me from day one. I can remember watching footage of him at ND and thinking to myself 'if this kid didn't wear a gold helmet and look pretty, he'd be a high third rounder'. It was comforting to know that Diam - who has a high football I.Q. - was so high on the kid, and I remember asking him what BQ's weaknesses were. Diam's answer at the time was 'nothing'. I've never shaken the uneasy feeling since.

A lot of people blame his fall for the Fins stupidity, but in essence I think the Fins stupidity was taking Ginn over Patrick Willis...not BQ. Quinn was lucky to be in the draft class that he was in.

And he's lucky to be here, amongst the starry-eyed. I mean, just look at the Denver game. Denver! Charlie Frye could've rung up that team, and yet you had guys on here calling the performance 'amazing' and 'magnificent'.

You say BQ will bottom out in two years...if the team is in place around him he can win. Same with DA. But if we don't build that team around either of these guys...yeah, I imagine both will be sent their walking papers.

And sorry, man, but I imagine we'll ship DA.

Tim Couch is still the best QB we've had since '99, and that dude had marbles knocking around his head.

Not gonna argue or debate or re-hash the same crap thats been said for 2 years now .. my one running theme has been and will continue to be ...

YOU'LL SEE .... BQ is going to be given the chance to prove me right or wrong ... and that is all anyone can ask for ... then HOPEFULLY the debate will END .... and I am sure everyone hopes I am right .... cause then good times are a comin .. *L* ..

PS. I thought Couch was given zero chance to suceed here ... so I am not near as down on him as most ... but GARCIA was the best QB we had here since our return ... I really don't see how that one is debatable ...