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Giants, Browns Each Drop Three The National Football Post has just been informed of the following NFL roster transactions: The New York Giants cut running back Reuben Droughns today, along with defensive backs Sammy Knight and Sam Madison. In Cleveland, the Browns cut quarterback Ken Dorsey, defensive back Terry Cousin and linebacker Antwan Peek.Many hoped for Dorsey and Cousin...Peek just couldn´t stay healthy and probably wasn´t worth the money (2.95mil for 2009)...but...wtf is Stallworth still doing on this team? I really hope we cut him before his bonus edit: here´s the link, sorry: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/02/giants-browns-each-drop-three/
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Browns announce seven roster moves Zac Jackson, Staff Writer 02.09.2009 The last two players to start at quarterback for the Browns are no longer with the team. The Browns announced seven roster moves Monday. Ken Dorsey's contract was terminated, and Bruce Gradkowski was waived. The contracts of Antwan Peek and Terry Cousin were also terminated. Also waived were punter Mike Dragosavich, kicker Jason Reda and offensive lineman Eric Young. Dorsey was the Browns' third quarterback for most of the past three seasons but started three games in 2008 before suffering a season-ending injury December 21 against Cincinnati. He went to injured-reserve and in stepped Gradkowski, who was with the team less than four weeks before starting the season finale in Pittsburgh. Peek's 2008 season ended in training camp after he suffered a knee injury. He played in 14 games (four starts) in his first season with the Browns in 2007 and had four sacks. Cousin, a 12-year veteran, signed with the Browns last spring and played in all 16 games last season as a backup cornerback, recording one interception and two pass breakups. Dragosavich and Reda signed future contracts with the Browns last month. Dragosavich spent the final week of 2008 on the Browns' practice squad, and Reda spent the 2008 preseason with the team as an undrafted free agent. Young signed with the Browns as an undrafted free agent last spring and spent the season on the non-football injury list. Homepage
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I don´t get why we released G Young..he was considered 1 of the best Gs of that draft class but went undrafted because of his injury....I hope they have the medical certainty that he can´t play again or something like this because otherwise this was a pretty useless move....what do you risk bringing him in healthy to OTAs and Camp?
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Great, now Dorsey is going to go off somewhere and win a Super Bowl. 
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How could we let go of Dorsey! 
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How could we let go of Dorsey!
The real question is how we are going to replace all the offensive TDs that Dorsey and Gradkowski scored for us
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Thanks DB,,
Is anyone surprised by Dorsey or Gradkowski? Peek I was wondering about, but still, not surprised. Cousins shouldn't have surprised anyone.
Rada and Dragosavich,, who knows, perhaps they'll be back for an OTA or camp.. you can never tell.. but when they cut a guy like Cousins or Dorsey, I think it's safe to say they are gone for good.
I know nothing about young so no sense in speculating....
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Before I opened this I guessed who the players were that cut. My guesses were Stallworth, Shaffer, and Cousins.
I got one at least.
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Dorsey knew he was cut when Savage got fired. lol.
And there were times this season, I had to be reminded that Peek was even on the team.
Cousins.. OMG.. I don't even know how many times he has cost us... I can't remember all the times I typed his name on Game Day threads asking what the heck is he doing on the field.
I want Holly back, but with a new chief in town.. Not sure if he will be back... Hope he does though. Even as a 5th string, he is worth the spot.
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My guesses were Stallworth, Shaffer, and Cousins.
I got one at least.
Just curious, why Shaffer? I know many don't like him, but he is not as bad as many proclaim he is, plus there is no one on the roster to fill his spot. Please don't say Tucker, he is not dependable at this point, and if he's healthy, he should play gaurd. At this point in his career, he's not that good at RT, but is very good at RG. He just isn't as quick on the end of the line anymore.
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By Game 4, every time we got a team into 3rd-n-Long, I said "ball is going at #25" ... and sure enough, the opposing QB would throw right at #25 and #25 would give up the first down.
I believe that he is as much a factor in our failed season as any single individual can be.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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By Game 4, every time we got a team into 3rd-n-Long, I said "ball is going at #25" ... and sure enough, the opposing QB would throw right at #25 and #25 would give up the first down.
I believe that he is as much a factor in our failed season as any single individual can be.
It got to the point on 'What I Saw' where I'd just type 'Terry Cousin.' and leave it at that.
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Well, Dorsey was given, and Cousins was garbage.
Damn shame about Peek, though. If he stayed healthy, he could have been a solid player.
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In a way I don't like to see Peek go, but then again, we need guys who can play. 
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In a way I don't like to see Peek go, but then again, we need guys who can play.
My thoughts exactly.
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First off, Happy birthday eryze  Quote:
Just curious, why Shaffer? I know many don't like him, but he is not as bad as many proclaim he is, plus there is no one on the roster to fill his spot.
The problem with Shaffer, at least as I saw it, was that he did a pretty decent job when he had a guard next to him that was solid..
Whenever Tucker played RG next to him,, that side of the line was solid.. you saw it in 07 a lot and you saw a much more productive Offense in general.
Shafffer out on the end was like a swinging door......
But that's just my opinion..
But with Tucker being the age he is and his injury status the last two seasons, Shafffer might just be our best option...... but we gotta get someone to put next to him.....
Does anyone think it's too much to ask to get 2 or 3 solid LB's, a Safety, another RB, a number 2 receiver (or a #1 and move BE to 2) and also find a RG and a RT?
And even if we do, we better hope Holly is gonna be ok...
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Absolutely no surprises here. I wouldn't be shocked to see a few more guys gone before free agency begins. Savage and RAC fell short in creating a winning atmosphere in Cleveland. I hope Mangini and Kokinis will accept nothing less. Go Browns!!
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I was thinking Shaffer because he doesn't play as good as his salary says he should. Last year he counted $5,016,041 against our cap for a below-average right tackle.
I don't think Shaffer is a bad player, but he isn't a starting player on a good team in the NFL unless he has a quality guard next to him (as Damanshot pointed out).
Maybe his salary isn't as much this coming season? I don't know.
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Dorsey we hardly knew ya... Now what should I do with my signature? 
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The main problems with our lines has ALWAYS been the Guards (except in '07 when we had Tuck in there).
If the middle 3 aren't solid, it doesn't matter what you've got at tackle... the rush will just come right up the gut.
A weak guard affects two adjacent players. A weak tackle affects only one adjacent player.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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crap, whos that guard we had starting for us about 3-4 years ago, he went undrafted but was supposed to be a real finding.™i don't think he made it past 3 games.
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Enoch DeMar! oh man paired with the best LT in football Verba? those were the days...that anyone who played behind them hope to forget soon.
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The main problems with our lines has ALWAYS been the Guards (except in '07 when we had Tuck in there).
If the middle 3 aren't solid, it doesn't matter what you've got at tackle... the rush will just come right up the gut.
A weak guard affects two adjacent players. A weak tackle affects only one adjacent player.
I agree.....and why in the past I pimped Hutcheson, Andrews and a few others.
But..".they are only guards" was the stock answer.
We have to upgrade.....guys like Sowells just aren't good enough....good guards come before round 4 IMO.
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We have to upgrade.....guys like Sowells just aren't good enough....good guards come before round 4 IMO.
I agree...while it's always nice to find a gem that late in the draft, I don't think I would EXPECT it to happen.....if we don't get one in FA, we had better do it early.....
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Oh Sowells should be next...these cuts are what we were wondering about..the rubbish...
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Ahh my friends, remember when Savage and RAC came in and we saw immediate cuts of guys we thought were rubbish.... now we see it again with this regime. Getting rid of Rubbish is good,, NOT replacing it with more rubbish,,, now that's the real trick
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j/c
See ya later Peek- we hardly knew ya'
If that guy could have ever stayed on the field, maybe Kam looks a bit better....
We need alot of linebackers this offseason.
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I always thought Peek was pretty good,, when healthy,, we just didn't see much of him healthy..... What,, in 3 years, did we actually get 4 games out of him where he was perfectly healthy? Was it 5? I mean, I know he played in more than that,, but I remember him playing banged up pretty bad for a number of games...
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Ahh my friends, remember when Savage and RAC came in and we saw immediate cuts of guys we thought were rubbish.... now we see it again with this regime.
Thanks for the update..  
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I wonder if the other NFL teams with or without new regimes get rid of their "rubbish" and try to upgrade in areas that they feel are inferior. I think this would be a great strategy, each year we should try to get better players so we can be competitive. What an excellent plan, getting players that fits the needs of the team. Great concept.
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Well, Geez, if you are going to quote me, quote the whole thing,, I also went on to say Quote:
Getting rid of Rubbish is good,, NOT replacing it with more rubbish,,, now that's the real trick
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We thought we were getting rid of rubbish with O'Hara too and he went on to be a staple on what is regarded as the best OL in football.. and didn't Ralph Brown, the utlimate rubbish just play in the super bowl?
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We thought we were getting rid of rubbish with O'Hara too and he went on to be a staple on what is regarded as the best OL in football.. and didn't Ralph Brown, the utlimate rubbish just play in the super bowl?
System and depth have as much to do with success as natural ability do.
If James Harrison were a Brown, I'm convinced he'd be worrying about cuts right now.
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Didn't Ralph Brown let Holmes get behind him for the winning TD catch?
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We thought we were getting rid of rubbish with O'Hara too and he went on to be a staple on what is regarded as the best OL in football.. and didn't Ralph Brown, the utlimate rubbish just play in the super bowl?
Yes, that's very true,,, so we better hope the new guys are better at figuring out who is and is not Rubbish than those that came before them...
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Didn't Ralph Brown let Holmes get behind him for the winning TD catch?
Him and two others...and 'Toast' almost fingertipped it, too.
He made it to the Big Game. 
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I have a very difficult time thinking we'd have been better off with Ralph Brown.
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I have a very difficult time thinking we'd have been better off with Ralph Brown.
No, no, no...he was garbage. I hated him. HATED him. Can't decide if he was worse than Cousin....
My point was depth...if he was our #4 on a stacked team...well, we could very well end up in the S.B. with him covering 3's and 4's.
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... " Can't decide if he was worse than Cousin.. " Let me help you ; Cousins
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I wonder if the other NFL teams with or without new regimes get rid of their "rubbish" and try to upgrade in areas that they feel are inferior. I think this would be a great strategy, each year we should try to get better players so we can be competitive. What an excellent plan, getting players that fits the needs of the team. Great concept.
That is so crazy that it just might work!
Browns is the Browns
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