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Frye wasnt a Ohio State boy!
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That's the best you can do? He was a native Ohioan and was lauded when he first got here. What about Hoard, Everitt, and Shea.....were they from OSU, too?
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let me tell you guys something i sit in the pound each and every game, and i hear the way the so called fans act. the whole game you hear go back to michigan, and braylon sucks chants. hell i even had a guy wearing a browns jersey yelling go back to michigan just cause he dropped a ball. its pathetic the kid is wearing a browns jersey and helmet get the heck over it already people! he had a bad year....but it wasnt just him. why does he catch the most heat? because he is from michigan, i know for a fact if he was from OHIO State that you all would be looking for excuess after escuess as to whats wrong, no leget number 2 to take some pressure off him, poor qb performance, poor run game, poor blocking, poor coaching. the facts are that what i just mentioned is the reason the whole season went to hell the way it did.
I am a Browns fan, I will continue to support the Browns and the players they bring in, if you people dont want to support our team and our players then do the rest of us a favor and go root for another team! Or just sit in front of the TV on Saturday and dont bother on Sundays cause most of you posting on here are counterfeit Browns fans and it makes the rest of us look bad!
I am a Michigan fan, but let me tell you all something right here and now, if we drafted nothing but Ohio State players I would still support them and cheer them on......they are two different beast college and pro....i just wish some of you guys could see the difference. I dont care if you agree with me or not, block me or dont, but this BS needs to stop.
Yes, because in 2007, I was telling Braylon to go back to Michigan. 
It's more a sarcastic taunt anyway, telling him how bad he is sucking on the field. But you being a sensitive Michigan fan, you take it completely the wrong way.
Browns fans have embraced Michigan players before, and will embrace them after Braylon. If Braylon could catch and hold on to the dang ball, maybe you wouldn't hear stuff like that.
you had a good run Hank.
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look guys your going to see it your way and im going to see it mine. doesnt make either of us right or wrong. but i do know that there is alot of people on these boards who just go with the masses and follow the lead when it comes to certain topics. dont get me wrong braylon played like crap last year, and needs to get his head out of his butt and play this year. but trading your number one wr isnt a good idea...he had a bad year last year and if he dosnt rebound this year then i will agree that we need to get rid of him or let him go...but as of right now he has a clean slate to work with for 09, so we can either live in the past or move on...me personally after last season i would and do want to move on
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I agree. Telling someone to go to Michigan is about the filthiest insult you could spew. Nobody deserves that. 
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look guys your going to see it your way and im going to see it mine. doesnt make either of us right or wrong.
Actually in this particular case ... its clear as a Brey Brey drop who is right and wrong ..
Brey's main contention is that "I will never be accepted" ... OH OK ... guess Everitt, Hoard and Shae were all mirages that NEVER REALLY HAPPEND ...  .... maybe, just maybe it has everything to do with them ACTUALLY DOING THERE JOBS ....
hes nuttin more than another whining, snivelling, pampered athelete looking for excuses for his failure on the field this past year ...
theres a lot of gray matters discussed on this board ... but this is not one of them ... this is a VERY CLEAR AND NON DEBATABLE ISSUE ...
PS. I expect Brey to come out and have another great season like he did two years ago ... and if that happens .. he will be ACCEPTED WITH OPEN ARMS ... just like he was two years ago ...
come on dude ... u can't be that ignorant ... well OK .. after reading some of your other stuff ..... maybe U can be ... *L* ...
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come on dude ... u can't be that ignorant ... well OK .. after reading some of your other stuff ..... maybe U can be ... *L* ...
You are better at slamming than anyone else I know. And for the record, i agree with you.
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but trading your number one wr isnt a good idea...he had a bad year last year and if he dosnt rebound this year then i will agree that we need to get rid of him or let him go...
If there is no chance of resigning him, then trade him and get something out of him. We may not have a choice but to let him go after this year.
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If we can get a #1 for him ... witch ainlt gonna happen ... then YA ... its a good move .. but anything short of that ... NO WAY ...
Brey has a history of coming back strong after "off" years ... this dates back to his U of M days .. so i expect good things out of him this year ... and we need Brey this year ... when hes right he can do things that not alot of guys i this league can do .. he has physical tools U just can't teach ...
PLUS we have no clue what is going to happen after this year ... I do not know what will happen with the CBa nd what will happen with guys that will be eligible for FA next year ... but if were at risk of losing Brey ... then all the other teams will be at risk of losing all there potential FA's ... so not being in CONTROL of Breys future is not such a bad thing ... as many more players will be made available to us than we will be losing ..
and the main reason ... WE CAN WIN NEXT YEAR .... folks are poo pooing are team cause of last year ..... most have allready forgotten all the injuries we had and that we still have ALOT OF TALENT on our roster ...
WE CAN WIN NEXT YEAR ...... and in order to do so .. we need Brey ... well we need Brey from 07 and not 08 .... and I believe thats what we will get nest year .... ESPECIALLY in his contract year .. as that usually adds a tad bit of MOTIVATION to these spoiled, pampered asses ...
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WOW, it never fails. just cause someone see things different than you guys and speaks their minds and it gets them bashed into the ground if he isnt a good little sheep and follow the rest of the herd. look how many people jumped into this topic and repeated the same thing the guy before them did. its pathetic that you cannot come up with your own thoughts. but if your content being a butt kisser and following the herd around the boards and attacking anyone who dosnt see it your way then so be it. I like to be my own man, and have my own thoughts. you guys on the other hand do this crap all the time, it really dont matter though the truth is im not afraid to go against the grain and speak my mind, and it makes the rest of you people that are weak minded jealous that your not strong enough to have your own thoughts. I tried to put it to rest and say you will see things your way and i will see them mine...but that wasnt enough a few more sheep that didnt get to jump on the pile had to run their mouths as well. i could care less if you guys dont like what i have to say as your opinions dont matter at all to me. I am still going to be there each and every Sunday while most of you will never ever see the stadium!
here is a thought why dont you try having an orignal thought. yeah we have had some players from michigan...but none more high profile then Braylon. you cannot compare a crappy TE, to a high profile WR. maybe you are all jealous of BE, it would explain why you all want to run your mouths about him all the time.
another thing if you guys hate him so much, then dont get back on his wagon when he turns this year around. thats called counterfeit if your not going to like him then dont like him....or you can do what you guys do best and follow the herd and sing him praises once the rest of you start doing. either way i could care less.....i came here to discuss football, and talk about the browns, not for friends so if you dont like me then dont!
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I, for one, could care less about where someone went to school.
I cheered for Santonio when he was a Buck, but I hated him for making that catch in the Superbowl. I don't feel happy for him winning a ring at all. Just mad that the Steelers won.
Same for Braylon, I will cheer for him as long as he is a member of the Browns, but if he is getting himself hurt because he is goofing off or dropping game-changing receptions, then I will be upset with him. That is just the nature of how I cheer.
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i think you're taking a very, VERY closed-minded approach to this.
it's as simple as this: if edwards performs well, which is his job, this city will receive him. if he doesn't, like in the last season, he will be criticized beyond belief. it has nothing to do with where he went and, to an extent, even what type of person he is. his only responsibility, in the eyes of the fans, is to go out on sunday and catch footballs.
the problem with braylon is that, when he wasn't doing his job last season, he never pointed the fingers at himself. he had plenty of excuses and the latest one is that the fans are in his head because he's in michigan. no way he heard that in 07 when he had his 16 tds.
something i don't understand on this board, and many other browns boards for that fact, is there is this ASSUMPTION that we care about where our players come from, that because a player went to michigan or nd or somewhere, we have some sort of predisposition to how we'll feel about him. the only semblance of truth may come for osu players who are from ohio and ended up playing for the browns. other than that, we critique a player like edwards or even quinn and suddenly we're hating on their because they're michigan or they're from ND? many of us couldn't care less about college football other than for the sake of knowing future potential browns! once they're a brown, they're a brown. if they don't perform, then they're no longer a brown. pretty simple.
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Not going along like a sheep is one thing....to defy all logic and make inaccureate statements contrary to said logic is quite another. Here are the facts:
Hoard was a feature back that was beloved here and went to Michigan
Everitt was beloved here and is STILL loved here and went to Michigan
Shea was beloved here and went to Michigan.
Frye was from Ohio and was a dream come true and was crucified here.
LeCharles Bentley is from OSU and was lambasted for his actions as a Brown.
BE was given much love when he first got here. He also was welcomed with OPEN ARMS and treated wonderfully when he came back from his knee injury. In fact, he was cheered several minutes as he came out for camp. Only when he had a terrible season did the negativity start.
Simply put, you're not thinkking an original thought, you're parroting what BE said because he's from Michigan.
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Bottom line...
If you talk a big game and don't produce...we hate you.
If you talk a big game and back it up, we love you.
If you don't say much and play big, we'll build a shrine for you.
If you suck and you're humble...we know you suck, but you're ok in our eyes.
If you suck and you're the QB...no matter what you do, we hate you.
That pretty much sums it up.
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look coach i will admit that he played like crap last year, and he needs to get his head out of his butt and play this year...i even stated that in this thread. you make very good points, and i can repect how you present your argument. i just dont see the point of kicking a guy when he is down and calling him "gay", and dont see what trading our best WR is going to do for the team.
Yes he carries himself like a hollywood movie star, but you cannot deny that he has tons of talent, and that he is one of the best players we have. now i think the problem with him is that he is too emotional of a player, he trys to do too much instead of just making the catch. a good WR coach would work with him on this....maybe seeing a head doctor would help him out a bit. but i think what would help him most is a legit number 2 WR....lets face it Stallworth, steptoe and sanders arent what i would consider legit number 2.
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Bottom line...
If you talk a big game and don't produce...we hate you.
If you talk a big game and back it up, we love you.
If you don't say much and play big, we'll build a shrine for you.
If you suck and you're humble...we know you suck, but you're ok in our eyes.
If you suck and you're the QB...no matter what you do, we hate you.
That pretty much sums it up.
Wow. I've never seen it put more succinctly. Except I propose this change to your last point..."If you're the QB... no matter what you do, half of us hate you." 
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I agree with everything you said in your last post. The only issue I have with your posts is that you are saying it's because he is from Michigan. That's far from what I have seen. I'm sure there may be a couple of people that ignorant, but on this board, and in the "real world", that doesn't represent other people's views.
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Wow...this still going on...lol 
BE has gotten a tougher time than most because like many players they showed their love for their college even after leaving to come into the NFL. BE has been close to brutalized.
On the other hand he hasn't really helped matters too much along the way.
He defied RAC when asked to not go to the OSU vs. Mich game.
He has fought the fans about this matter in the media...you never are going to win them over that way. And he had a bad year last year.
Actually I don't think I ever saw him as sharp as I saw him in training camp and Pre-season game one. Then came the "RACE" brought on by his ego and a brain freeze in the common sense department. I think he sliced that foot pretty bad and was never the same ALL Season long. He just seemed to start coming around near the end of the season.
Anyway...what was this thread about...Oh yeah McDonald - What a visual play on how we mentally decipher things we saw the headline - Gophers lose WR Coach to the Browns and all ASSUME that he was our new WR coach. Just an Offensive asst. coach. RAC son held that position in the last Regime. I got a feeling we might have a leg up on that decision with this one 
Now just was does an Asst to the Offense do???
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Sorry, eo, but I saw too many players here that took great pride in going to Michigan and were still loved by the fans. Everitt, Shea, and Hourd all made it clear they were proud of their school (as they should be). They wore Michigan shirts under practice gear during camp and made bets with OSU players on the "game" that, IIRC, made it into the media. BE was "brutalized", not because of the school he went to, but because of his attitude and lack of production. The perfect example is going to the OSU/Michgan game and defying the rules. Had he been from OSU, the disdain would have still been the same because of the situation, not the school.
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Thought I was pretty clear that I was riding on the fence on this one...
He's made his bed that is true.
He's taken a lot of crap that is true.
Unfortunately he's not going to be a Brown after 09...unless we make him the highest paid WR in the NFL.
I'd have to say most of the OSU guys were a little more tougher on him. Got nothing to do with Hoard, Everett and the rest. These Browns haven't brought on the same love from the youngins - No winners yet to brand them heart n sole. The Wolverine thing carried on a bit deeper from day one they spit on him. Instead of taking it and turning the cheek he stood up and fought it. Which didn't help matters. But don't soft soap it either. The kid was brutalized by the fans from DAY ONE before he did a darn thing to deserve berating.
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Im glad that Im not the only one who sees this.....
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I'm a die-hard OSU fan, and have no problem with where he went to school. To me, he is no longer a Wolverine, he is a Brown. As a #3 pick I have high expectations of him, just as if he went to Ohio State, USC or the University of Phoenix. He had a bad year, end of story.
Just like Santonio Holmes. He is no longer a Buckeye. He is now tarnished.
Bray got off to a bad start by whining that Miami didn't take him #2. Mentioned that a lot more than the fact we took him #3.
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i know that some of you Ohio State fans have common sense and realize that...but there are those that hold it against him. Spitting at him, yelling BS at him, talking smack while he is eating with his family. there is alot that he has had to put up with, and is responsible for some of it...but not all of it. I for one hope that we can get him re-signed but after everything that has gone on since he has been here there is probably a little bitter feelings between both sides. I will say this if we let him go we better land a great WR! cause what we have to work with after BE is crap as of right now!
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Bray got off to a bad start by whining that Miami didn't take him #2. Mentioned that a lot more than the fact we took him #3.
IIRC Miami personally told him they were taking him at 2...that's why he was peeved.
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Those things did happen. Since I'm the one that first posted it because I knew about it before the media got ahold of it, I can also add that it HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM GOING TO MICHIGAN. You keep trying so hard to pin it on that. Like I said there may be a VERY FEW that are that ignorant, but the VAST MAJORITY are just idiots, not because he went to OSU. They would be the same idiots that cheered Couch getting hurt, DA getting hurt, that crucified Charlie Frye, and on and on and on. Just because someone has said he should go back to MIchigan doesn't mean they are idiots and treating him that way because of where he went to college. It has to do with them being idiots. The rest is just you believing every word that BE says. Even his TEAMMATES says that it's a crock to blame it in him going to Michigan and they're much closer to the situation than you or I.
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well i am glad that we got a new offensive quality control coach haha....im moving on from this thread i feel like im  Damn bring on Free Agency so we can actually have some football related topics to discuss haha
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Bray got off to a bad start by whining that Miami didn't take him #2. Mentioned that a lot more than the fact we took him #3.
IIRC Miami personally told him they were taking him at 2...that's why he was peeved.
That may be, but keep it to yourself. Instead of "I'm glad to be here," it was "I should have gone there." Didn't sound too happy to be here and wasn't shy about it. That's not a good start.
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And Cap you are a Die Hard Brown's fan. It might be only 30% of the Die hard OSU fans reacting this way. But they are the most vocal.
But I remember reading - DAY ONE...first Mini-Camp and first Open Practices. BE getting berated for being a Wolverine and in there were quotes like "GO HOME" this is DAY ONE before he had a chance to even act stupid.
JMHO - anyway can't redo the past. Its done. But that is why I say there is no chance he re-signs with us unless we make him the #1 paid WR in the NFL. He'll definitely hit the FA market. Big factor in this is two things. His ego...the way the minority but vocal fans treated him...throughout.
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But I remember reading - DAY ONE...first Mini-Camp and first Open Practices. BE getting berated for being a Wolverine and in there were quotes like "GO HOME" this is DAY ONE before he had a chance to even act stupid.
*LOL* .... are u for real with this crud?? ...
1. so something that happend 4 years ago from a couple of dumb ass hecklers was the beggining?? .. *LOL* ...
OK .. ;ll tell U what .. if hes that THIN SKINNED he ainlt gonna make it anywhere ..
2. he had all ready acted stupid ... his first dumb ass comments came the day he was drafted ... instead of ITS GREAT TO BE A BROWN being the highlight of his speech ... it was I DIDN'T GO TO MIAMI ...
3. If u can't see this guys using his "having gone to Michigan" act as just a BS excuse ... then I feel sorry for U ..
this guy has a TON OF TALENT ... and he will be next year and if we want him he will be here for as long as WE WANT ... but the book on this guy is as follows ...
complete JACK ASS off the field .... in the media .. in the locker room ... EVERYWHERE ... the guys been a jerk from day 1 ...
ROLLER COASTER on the field in all aspects ... some great things (07) mixed in with some HORRIBLE things (08) .... some GREAT BLOCKING along with some DUMB ASS OFFSIDES/MOTION penalties ...
and this Michigan thing is sumptin I have never seen U fall for.. its just SPIN .... PURE BS SPIN for him to take some of the focus off him for a BS escuse that is TOTTALY IRRELIVENT ...
its his weak ass attempt to defelct from the HORRIBLE HORRIBLE MISTAKE FILLED year he had last year ....
AND hes all ready started to negotiate his next contract .....
Come on man ... your better than to let this ASS get away with this CRAP and give ANY CREDENCE WHAT SO EVER to his BS EXCUSES ...
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I love how a thread about us hiring an offensive quality control coach turns into a Braylon Edwards bash-a-thon or a Braylon Edwards defend-a-thon.
But then again, Braylon Edwards' plays on the offensive side of the ball. He has the potential to be a quality player, if he could just control the ball.
Anyway, I'm excited we are bringing in younger coaches who also have experience. Maybe someday McDonald will be our offensive coordinator or wide receiver's coach.
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He may still be under contract. He may still be listed on the Cleveland Browns web site as the organization’s wide receivers coach.
But don’t expect to see Wes Chandler tutoring Browns receivers come the start of organized team activities later this Spring.
Sources close to the situation have told the OBR that Chandler does not expect to return to the Browns as the team’s receiver coach in 2009, and expects to be replaced in the coming weeks.
Chandler has been with the Browns for slightly more than two years, following his hiring in January 2007. Prior to his stint with the Browns, Chandler was wide receivers coach for the Minnesota Vikings and Dallas Cowboys, as well as enjoying an 11-year NFL career where he recorded 559 receptions and 56 touchdowns.
During his coaching career, Chandler has coaxed career years out of problematic players such as Antonio Bryant and Braylon Edwards.
It was briefly believed that the Browns might have found a new WR coach earlier this week when George McDonald was hired after seven years of coaching receivers. McDonald was named offensive quality control coach, however.
Eric Mangini has not finished hiring his coaching staff, and labors under rumors that some potential assistant coaches have rebuffed offers to come to Cleveland. The Browns still lack a coach for their running backs, tight ends, and linebacker in addition to the reported opening for wide receivers coach.
The team has not responded to an email requesting confirmation that Chandler would not return.
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Bray got off to a bad start by whining that Miami didn't take him #2. Mentioned that a lot more than the fact we took him #3.
IIRC Miami personally told him they were taking him at 2...that's why he was peeved.
That may be, but keep it to yourself. Instead of "I'm glad to be here," it was "I should have gone there." Didn't sound too happy to be here and wasn't shy about it. That's not a good start.
Perhaps I missed something, but I remember when Braylon got snubbed he claimed that Miami had called him and welcomed him to the organization, and made a comment that he couldn't wait to face them and take them down a peg...I never, ever heard him say 'I should've gone there'.
Maybe you can give a link to refute that, but I don't think he ever said anything along those lines.
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