DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns analysis: As draft approaches, Anderson's value may rise for suitors

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Last year, the Minnesota Vikings nearly swung a deal for Texans backup quarterback Sage Rosenfels.

As rumors/reports had it, the Texans wanted a second-round pick, and the Vikes were willing to part only with a third-rounder.

This time around, the deal reportedly is close to happening, for a fourth-round selection.

The move would likely take the Vikings out of the running for a veteran quarterback in free agency, and it definitely would slam the door on speculation linking Matt Cassel to the men in purple.

Rosenfels is signed through 2009, at a base salary of $1.35 million.

Any deal could not be finalized until the start of the new league year, on Friday, February 27.

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Last year, the Minnesota Vikings nearly swung a deal for Texans backup quarterback Sage Rosenfels.

As rumors/reports had it, the Texans wanted a second-round pick, and the Vikes were willing to part only with a third-rounder.

This time around, the deal reportedly is close to happening, for a fourth-round selection.

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For a fourth rounder, Rosenfels is a bargain.

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...rumor has it Tampa has a 3rd on the table already.

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Terry Pluto blog: Talkin' to myself about the Cleveland Browns quarterbacks ...

Question: Did you hear what Eric Mangini said the other day about possibly keeping both Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn?
Answer: He said he may keep them both. He said that he and his coaching staff have not decided on a starter. He said you can never have enough good quarterbacks, and he said he could even have a quarterback competition in training camp.

Q: Why did he say all that?

A: Because it is possible it could happen, but don't bet on it. Nor would it be a good idea. But if you're General Manager George Kokinis and if you are even considering the trade of Anderson, the last thing you want is your coach declaring Quinn the starter right now.

Q: Why?

A: Because you want to make Anderson sound like Otto Graham. You want other teams to believe with just the right coaching and the proper play-calling, this guy can be a franchise quarterback. You want to talk about the Derek Anderson who threw 29 touchdown passes in 2007 and made the Pro Bowl, not the Anderson who was waived by Baltimore early in his career, or the Anderson who struggled last season.

Q: Are you blaming Anderson for the 4-12 record and ...

A: It's not about blaming. It's about the Browns figuring out which quarterback will be best for them in 2009, and then using the other to bring the most in trade. Odds are they prefer Quinn. New offensive coordinator Brian Daboll was a wide receiver coach in New England when Charlie Weis called the plays. Weis had Quinn at Notre Dame and insists Quinn can be star in the NFL. It seems Daboll and his offense would lean toward Quinn, given the New England offense and the influence of Weis.

Q: So why not say that?

A: Because they want other teams to believe they really like Anderson, that they might indeed keep him. It's a way of telling the NFL that the Browns won't give him away.

Q: Anderson makes all that money, who will take him?

A: He will be a bargain for another team. Anderson is due a $5 million roster bonus on March 13, and his salary for 2009 is $1.5 million. The Browns should pay the bonus, then trade Anderson because he will cost the new team only the $1.5 million in salary and on the cap. That increases his trade value.

Q: Don't the Browns take a huge salary cap hit?

A: It happens either way. If they keep Anderson, he counts $8.8 million on the cap. If they trade him, it's $8.2 million on the cap. Going through another season with these two young quarterbacks seems to be another way of having no starting quarterback -- and the Browns need draft picks and talent.

Q: It's still hard to see why any team would give up much for Anderson?

A: That's because most fans just watch the Browns. They don't understand the desperation of some teams desperate for a quarterback. Minnesota just traded a fourth-rounder to Houston for career backup Sage Rosenfels. Before the 2007 draft, Atlanta received two potentially high second-round picks from Houston for another backup, Matt Schaub.

Q: What can the Browns get for Anderson?

A: At least a couple of second-rounders, maybe a low first or a chance to flop other picks. A veteran could be involved in a deal. Detroit and Tampa Bay would love to have Anderson. The Jets, Chiefs and 49ers also could be in the market. The Browns are taking their time, playing it smart to build interest in Anderson, so don't pay much attention to what they say publicly about their quarterbacks.

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Just a bit miss leading as a negative. Of course Diam will call it Reality...lol

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*L* .... touche bro ... I am actually right with U on that one ... I cringed when I read that to .. its mis leading ... therefore it is REALISTIC but only tells half the story making it an UNTRUTH in my world ... and the sad part is that Pluto knows this ... yet he INTENTIONALY MIS LEADS people by only telling half the story ...

this entire story is half baked bro .. U can tell its the dead time ... the Browns can say what they want ... NO ONE IS FOOLED ... everyone not named Da Man Is Hot knows who are starter is ...

the Browns trying to say differently is about as believable as OJ telling us he didn't kill Ron and Nicole ... U can spin it al u want .. but EVERYONE KNOWS ...

hopefully your wishful thinking wins out over my reality as I would LOVE to get a 2nd rounder for DA ... that would be some sweet tasting crow to chow down ...

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Byron Leftwhich ! ... Love this Kid...

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We’re hearing that the new power structure in Cleveland — the combination of coach Eric Mangini and G.M. George Kokinis to which folks around the league refer as “ManKok” — isn’t sold on Brady Quinn as the starting quarterback.

One source with knowledge of the dynamics in Cleveland says that the new power structure there is “lukewarm” on Quinn.

As a result, don’t be surprised if the Browns opt to keep Derek Anderson, pay his $5 million roster bonus, and let Anderson and Quinn battle it out for the starting job.

Indeed, the two men never have competed openly for the position. In 2007, Quinn signed his rookie deal too late to make a meaningful run at being in position to replace Charlie Frye when he received the hook in Week One. In 2008, Anderson was the unquestioned starter throughout the offseason, training camp, and the preseason.

So maybe from the fires of competition a better starter will emerge. And maybe the guy who doesn’t get the job will be better off, too.

Here’s the key — neither Mangini nor Kokinis need to justify the decision to draft Quinn or to sign Anderson. The new coach and G.M. can focus on what’s best for the team, regardless of whether the answer is Quinn or Anderson, or neither.

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“ManKok”

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Things are extremely quiet on the Derek Anderson front and we're being told that the Cleveland Browns weren't even actively shopping him at the NFL combine last week. The Browns would be open to trade possibilities if the right deal came along. But as of right now, teams in need of quarterbacks are not interested until the Browns pay the guaranteed $5 million bonus due March 13. Once that bonus is paid, the phones should ring more often and it will be up to the Browns whether to keep or trade Anderson after already paying that huge bounty.

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The GM in me wants to say "3rd rounder" but a high 4th would be ok.

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