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How would that be smart to trade away something that you already traded for in the first place?
Thank you. I was beginning to feel like I was the only one that felt this way. 
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Its almost BQ time ... and U will all see ... he is going to be at minumum a VERY VERY GOOD NFL QB .... his downside is ABOVE AVERAGE ...
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and Chelle ... I KNOW what he will do ... do not put yours or others limitations in regard to what BQ can do on me ... I KNOW .....
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It's about time you got on the BQ bandwagon and quit bashing him 
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the only thing with that philosophy Michelle is that Mangini/Kokinis didn't make that trade for BQ. In a new regime all investment Bets are OFF after all they are replacing the fired Staff who placed those BETS.
But in lieu of that. The holy grail of every team is a Franchise QB. As you stated...DA is functional and might be needed here as a backup. It is BQ who is that possible Franchise commodity. There is no way they will trade BQ without first determining that fact one way or another. The ONLY WAY...and I mean ONLY.
Is if they are POSITIVE that SANCHEZ is the ONE. And I mean positive.
And they wouldn't trade BQ until After they made that PICK. And don't get me wrong - I'm not suggesting that. I'm just stating that as an UNKNOWN possibility.
But being the case that is the only and I mean the only way BQ Could/possibly be traded. And it wouldn't even be discussed until AFTER the #5 pick is made.
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I don't get it Diam. The kid showed me some skills when he hit the field. Even with the broken finger, he was a leader on the field. He has the skills needed, and I can't see where these imbeciles keep trying to compare him to DA.
Now I not saying he for sure is better, but from what I've seen I would have to think he will be. Those saying Anderson will develop are living a dream, the guy is past that stage. IMO trading BQ now would be the stupidess move any FO could make. So what if they get a first rounder like Phil thinks, it would be like drafting Quinn all over again except the new guy would be two years behind.
I have to think that it is just personal dislike for Quinn that makes these guys try to justify trading him at this point.
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I have to think that it is just personal dislike for Quinn that makes these guys try to justify trading him at this point.
I have a personal dislike of him, but I don't really let it factor too much into my willingness to trade him for a first if the option arose.
I never liked what I saw out of him in college, and haven't been very impressed with his limited work as a pro. I'd like both guys to stick around...but I think we'd be nuts not to ship either off for a first.
Both our QB's are third round talent IMO. Both can win with the pieces in place...both will flounder without them.
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I've seen you state BQ had a "wishy washy" college career, he is a 3rd round talent, and all kinds of things that are completely ridiculous. BQ had an outstanding college career only hampered by those around him. He was a 1st round talent and still is. His leadership skills, ability to read a defense, recognize coverages, and mobility are all things the FO have seen and feel are things that can be built on. 3rd round talent...man, I"m glad you're nowhere near the scouting dept. 
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I don't get it Diam. The kid showed me some skills when he hit the field.
I see that and I agree with ya.. but didn't it feel a little like they were coddleing him a little. like they wouldn't let hm cut loose? Felt that way to me anyway. if I have that right, the question is, why?
But heres the deal,, while I don't expect them to trade BQ and I don't want them to trade BQ,, if someone comes along that gives you a deal like Dallas got for Herchel Walker a long time ago,,, you would have to be nuts not to do it. I can't imagine, now that Millin is out of Detroit, that anyone would be that stupid to do that  But if they did, man you gotta look at it don't you?
I really do expect them to trade DA.. I see it happening on draft day. Just a guess but as good a one as anyone elses out there. What they'll get for him is anybodys guess.
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Just a note...if the "IF" occurs - an Improbable trade of BQ - It probably would be for 2 first rounders. Not this imaginary 3rd round pick 
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While watching Anderson has been a frustrating mix of "Wow!" and "Oh No!", it is really impossible to assess Quinn at this point. So far we have only seen flashes of competence, but not excellence. As far as being a "franchise QB's", I'm not feeling it from either guy - but the jury is still out on BQ. So, as far as taking a #1 for either, I would have to agree - but with Quinn it would be with some misgivings. Its just one of those times when you have to trust that the people in charge know more than you (we) do.
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Daman, it wasn't "coddling" him as much as handcuffing him. Remember, it was a short week before his first start and his first start. Everything was scaled down for that reason as well as Chud finally realizing the vertical game was figured out by DCs. It's not unusual at all to scale back for a QB that is getting their first few starts.
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Just a note...if the "IF" occurs - an Improbable trade of BQ - It probably would be for 2 first rounders. Not this imaginary 3rd round pick
JMHO
If I'm the GM,,, I'm thinking I'd have to give serious consideration to that deal as long as DA is still on the roster and you can draft a guy to develop and get a decent Vet to round out the QB position.
4 first round picks 2 now and 2 next year... ya know, you could build a team with that kinda talent if you pick well..
Throw in 2 second rounders this year and all of a sudden, you have 4 first day pics. man, a good evaluator of talent could make up some serious ground in the AFC North.
But no, it's not gonna happen and I guess I don't want it to happen either.
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Also remember how NE brought Cassell along. He was "coddled" the 1st few games then they opened up the playbook for him in I think his 3rd game. Much like they did with Tom Brady when he took over for Bledsoe a while back. The steelers "coddled" Ben his whole rookie season. I think Balt did it with Flacco for the 1st half of the season. Don't know what Atl did with Ryan.
All in all not a bad strategy for bringing along a young Qb. Bring him along easy instead of throwing him into the fire and seeing if he survives.
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For a rookie, bringing a QB along slow makes sense. But- Quinn is a third year player. That excuse is not going to fly with me. Turn him lose, lets see what we have. By now, he is either going to get it or not- he's had alot of time in the film room to study defenses. He is not a rookie and my expectations will be higher because of it. Ahhh crap, i've avoided these qb threads for the most part, got suckered into that one....
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My 2 cents...
BQ to date has not had ample opportunity to play the position.
BQ IMO is fundamentaly the better QB. He simply sat behind an inferior QB for almost TWO seasons, supposedly being brought along. I for one NEVER subscribed to that policy. I think RAC or PHIL made the call to stay with DA even after the horrible finish to his breakout season. WRONG CALL. Last off season DA had some trade value... this year not so much.(Even less with Phil's mondo contract)
So now I read these threads about trading BQ or BQ's must shine now or move on... BLAH BLAH BLAH.
First- Give the kid a chance to prove himself. This team is going to go through yet another rebuild. That means he will likely be surrounded be unproven players. (For those who wanted KW2 and BE gone... welcome to another rebuild.)
Second - Trading BQ will not net anymore now than later. He IS a 3rd year back up with a few starts. (THANKS RAC AND PHIL) And I personally think the kid will be one of the best. I don't want him to stud out on some other team! So lets give him a chance to prove himself before we run him off.
As to DA... I feel he is a good guy, decent back up QB with the wrong price and a little bit of an ego due to being a starter for two years and making the Pro Bowl. Could he start elsewhere?... sure. Here? ... Yes, and we know what we have with him at the helm. Is that what you want? ... not me.
So for ME the dilema is how to find a taker for DA. At his current rate I don't think we will. If we cut him we have to find a new back up and we are still out the roster bonus(I think). So we have to take less than what we want for him or keep him. We'll end up keeping him... that's my bet.
So back on the topic of the thread(off the QB controversy), now that some of the teams we thought might be interested in DA have landed QBs... What's next? Does he have any trade value? Are we asking too much for him? Are we even shopping him? Is the March 13th date going to make a difference? Will he go for a pick during the draft(I think this is very unlikely with no other QB's on the roster)?
My guess is that he will be right here and be our insurance policy for BQ this season.
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So back on the topic of the thread(off the QB controversy), now that some of the teams we thought might be interested in DA have landed QBs... What's next? Does he have any trade value? Are we asking too much for him? Are we even shopping him? Is the March 13th date going to make a difference? Will he go for a pick during the draft(I think this is very unlikely with no other QB's on the roster)?
Now that KC and Minnesota have traded for QB's (although I can't believe Minny thinks they solved anything with Rosenfels), the group of teams still needing a QB are Detroit, San Fran, Chicago, NYJ, Tampa, and possibly Carolina. I think the Browns will eat the roster bonus in order to make DA a very attractive option to interested teams.
IMO, he should bring a 2nd round pick.
Tony Grossi said in todays PD (Hey Tony) that the Browns have not decided yet on a QB, and are planning an open competition between BQ and DA in training camp. This is probably a smokescreen to make teams believe there is no fire sale on DA, and that they still value him.
If we do trade DA, I think Charlie Batch would be a decent backup. He's a savvy, experienced veteran, with the added bonus of basically bringing the Steelers playbook with him, knowing their offensive tendencies, and having in-depth knowledge of their defensive schemes from practicing against them every day.
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Well I can see why you think that, but can you tell me what you base the value of a 2nd on?
I mean I don't think he's worthless and he did make the Pro Bowl but he also choked in 07 and sucked in 08. Where is the basis for this value?
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He's a young QB with experience, a howitzer arm, a significant degree of success as starter in 07 ... went 10-5, threw 29 TD passes, made the Pro Bowl. The number of drops by his receivers could be viewed as reason to not judge him as harshly as some here do. Matt Cassel and a LB nearing the end of his career brought a high #2 (#34 overall) to New England. Do you really think Detroit would be better off taking Stafford or Sanchez at #1, or sending their 2nd rounder to us for DA and using that #1 and #20 in the 1st round to improve other areas? From all I've read, Stafford is a lot like DA, minus the experience.
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Matt Cassell went for a 2nd. It's hard to now say that Anderson is worth that, considering that most in the NFL would believe he's a better player than Anderson. I agree.
The flipside to this is that I don't truly believe in Quinn. That isn't to say I don't believe in him, but I've seen nothing which tells me he certainly is going to be the man. I didn't see that in college, and I don't see it now. Keeping Anderson is my preference, and may the best man win the job. Quinn brings more dynamics to the offense, but that doesn't mean he's a better QB. I hope he wins the job, but if Anderson does, so be it.
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*LOL* at that garbage ... not quite sure what ND games U watched .. judging by this .... I'd say U watched maybe 2 of them ... all the kid did was KICK ASS with INFERIOR TALENT around him ...
lets see .... he's
Accuratte ..
Smart ..
Mobile ..
Above average arm strength ..
I'm not quite sure what there is not to like ...
DA could not carry his jock strap ... U WILL SEE ... like the rest of the dolts ... Welcome aboard the dolt train .... CHOO CHOO .... *L* ..
I would not mind seeing DA here ... but the main reason for that is I do not believe we will get CRAPPOLA for him .. and he is a dam fine back up ...
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For a guy who hid all during the season while Quinn was pickin' splinters out of his backside you've grown mighty big ones while no one is playing........ How 'bout we wait until at least training camp to move the throne and crown into BQ's locker space in Berea?
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Yo Dr. Spin ... U forgot to mention the 19 picks .. and the fact he completed 55% of his passes ....
and If I was Detroit ... I would let Pepper play QB for me this year ... and use all 3 of my picks in rnds. 1 & 2 to help build my team .... I would then see where the chips fall next year for QB's ..
I would no way in hell give up one of those picks for DA ....
U folks have a WAY OVER INFLATED sense of what DA is worth .. we'd be LUCKY to get a #2 for him ... he had 1/2 a good year ...
Christ dude .. do u remember the second half of 07 .... he threw MORE PICKS THAN TD'S .... or do he throw a whopping 1 more TD than pick ...
way over inflated sense of worth for DA aroud these parts ..
HES NOT THAT GOOD .... a below average NFL starter ... with 1 redeeming quality ... a rocket arm ... and thats the end of the positives ...
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And rosenthels went for a 4th. so he has to be at least worth a late 2nd, early 3rd.
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hid???? *LOL* ... good one ... u best stay with the low hangin friut ... i'm WAY WAY WAY OVER YOUR HEAD ...
and when BQ played i was here RIPPING HIM A NEW ONE ... as I should have been ... guess U were to busy whining and moaning to notice ... that is after all what your good at ....
hid??? Ya .. OK ... U and Da Man and Ammo and 017 can form a little bash Deim club and have all the fun U want ...
like I said dude ... go back to the low hangin fruit ... its where u belong ...
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"considering that most in the NFL would believe he's a better player than Anderson. I agree."
Sorry that PROPOSED FACT that you just cannot prove. Just say exactly what it is and leave it at that. YOUR OPINION there is no fact in that statement.
On the BQ thing...I won't get to far into it cause you just UNLEASHED THE KRACKEN - I don't want to get caught in the Gnashing Frenzy that is soon to follow
Butt... "Quinn brings more dynamics to the offense, but that doesn't mean he's a better QB."
Do you realize that you just said that and then state that you think he possibly won't be the better QB??? So how just do you propose DA conquers the possible advantage of "DYNAMICS" to the offense that BQ brings. With his Over whelming display of "ACCURACY"?!?!
Actually you are darn tooting...IT DOES MEAN JUST THAT. He would be the better QB. Which way is it. Does he bring more dynamics...or doesn't he. You simply cannot say that and then follow it up with it doesn't mean he's the better QB...Cause it does mean just that.
Now I'll step back and run for the hills cause U had to UNLEASH THE KRACKEN!!
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You seem to believe that Anderson is a better QB than Rosenfels.
I can make an arguement that he isn't. In fact, for a team running a modified version of the WCO, Rosenfels is better suited because of his accuracy and comp percentage.
The thing with Anderson is that he's younger. That wouldn't mean he's better.
Having said all that, I almost agree with where you're valuing Anderson. I think he's a 3rd rounder, not a 2nd. That could change based on an injury to another QB.
DIAM, I still question Quinn's downfield accuracy. I also have questions about his leadership in terms of how he's viewed. Only time will answer those questions, not your faith My preference is that Quinn wins the job, and I do believe that the team would rather trade Anderson than keep him, which means much of this is a smokescreen. However, Quinn isn't viewed as a sure-thing, and I'm not convinced the organization feels he is. Lastly, the further away from college he gets, the less it means to me. Yes, he won with some inferior talent, but he didn't face in college what he faces here. He also can't continually get away with jump-passes and college-speed improvisation. He should be able to learn and get better, but it's no given. I have higher hopes for Quinn than I do Anderson, but not so much that I'm willing to let Anderson walk for nothing.
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Dude, you posted more in February than you did in September, October and November combined. Perhaps it's just a coincidence that matches the time frame when Brady was wearing out those clipboards on the sidelines. Yeah, that's what it was. A coincidence. Hey, not to worry, I'd have probably laid low, too, if I'd been that big a BQ pimp. See, us low hangers can show a lot of empathy for you higher order beings......
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"You seem to believe that Anderson is a better QB than Rosenfels.
I can make an arguement that he isn't."
I've gotten to know you well and you can make an argument for anything - and well I might add
Two different animals...but I'll tell you right now why Rosenfels will "FAIL".
Yes he is more accurate. But for an accurate passer he throws a lot of INTs ???
He just doesn't have n NFL arm. Teams will game plan against him and simply run more Zones. DBs are going to see the $$$ KA-CHING a coming as they keep the action in front of them and read the QB...and then have ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD to close in and make the INT.
He's not a back up anymore...well maybe not. Jackson could beat him out. But as a starter teams will game plan against him...and as MANY A BACKUP have experienced - its different and its harder.
Holcomb couldn't make the jump from back up to Starter. And I think Holcomb was better than Rosenfels.
Well as inaccurate as DA is most of his mistakes whistle by defenders and his passes are almost impossible to catch with ones body (what Defenders do...and why they are on that side of the ball) but ask our WRs.
Rosenfels??? He does throw a VERY CATCHABLE BALL of course you will be able to ask an array of defenders about that one...
Better than DA??? I think different but both are Backup QBs if you ask me.
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downfield accuracy?? .. YOU'LL SEE ....
the players will LOVE HIM and FOLLOW HIM ... he works his ass off and is a GREAT LEADER ...
and this has nuttin to do with my faith .. it has everything to do with what he did for his last 2 years at ND ... he is VERY ACCURATE down field and is a GREAT LEADER ... he did it .. he PROVED IT ... my faith is based on WHAT HE DID ...
YOU SHALL SEE ....
and I agree with DA .. he should not be "given" away ... and we see it the same ... a 3rd would be fine with me .. well maybe a 3rd and 5th or sumptin ...
THE KRACKEN has spoken .. *LOL* .. I like that one tabber ..
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I've gotten to know you well and you can make an argument for anything - and well I might add
Hehehe.......*bows*
Truly, I think you picked up on the fact that I didn't say Rosenfels was a better QB, but rather I could make an arguement for it, hehe. Two different guys who are two totally different types of QB's.
Going along with the things you listed, do I believe that Rosenfels is better than Anderson? Meh, I could flip a coin on that one. I think Anderson has more upside, but that Rosenfels is probably better for a modified WCO (I hope one of these days people will allow me to stop typing "modified" because we all know the WCO of the 80's doesn't really exist) for a team inside a dome. Like Manning, his lack of arm strength can be hidden when the wind blows at 1 mile per hour from the North, South, East, and West simultaneously
There's a very fine line between "backup" and "fringe starter." I think both guys are fringe starters. The advantage Rosenfels has right now is that he's viewed as a guy who's better in a short, controlled passing system. I think Anderson is actually undervalued in that regard, but that doesn't change perception. As a result, I think getting a 2nd rounder for Anderson is a longshot. A 3rd is more reasonable.
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U folks have a WAY OVER INFLATED sense of what DA is worth .. we'd be LUCKY to get a #2 for him ... he had 1/2 a good year ...
If the above is the case, that the Browns would be lucky to get a #2, then all the more reason to keep Anderson as our backup.
The "fact is", Brady Quinn is still an unknown quality due to his lack of experience. You can not judge a QBs potential based on 3 starts and just one good game going in to his 3rd season.
The ideal situation for the Brown would be to bring in a veteran QB to help teach Quinn and act as his backup, but just who is going to fill that bill and at what cost?
It would not make sense to get rid of Anderson for less than fair value (say a 3rd rounder, plus) then overpay for a free agent QB to act as Quinn's backup. If the Browns deal Anderson, they better have a plan "B" ready to go.
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"As a result, I think getting a 2nd rounder for Anderson is a longshot. A 3rd is more reasonable. "
We can talk till we are blue in the face...but in a nutshell that is probably it regardless of what you n I blabber about...lol 
And the only reason I think it has gone to this is more so from what The Pats took for Cassel.
Then I do get hope for that 2nd rounder when I hear they turned down an offer for a 1st round pick - so there is Value in the QB market after all and that is what is going to determine a pittance of a difference of your 3rd rounder and my 2nd rounder. Not how good you or I think DA is.
It will be determined how much of a MARKET there is for him. Pure n simple.
I think Rosenfels 4th round value didn't damage the market value. Aging backups don't have a good history and don't create a big market...but he was so good that they let him go for a 4th rounder...as a Backup no less as he had no chance of being considered the starter.
But the Cassell thing did hurt a bit...but when all is said and done. If there is a growing market for a young 5th year QB who has 27 starts under his belt ( I won't even mention the PRO Bowl - ooops I just did  ) a 2nd won't be that off beat.
JMHO - do we take the 3rd? I wouldn't but its not my call. Reason? I can't think of a good 3rd round pick we ever had??? So it means nothing to me...lol I'd rather have 2 4th rounders
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Dude .... ..... I do that every year .... your to busy whining to notice ... ... plus Dude ... there wasn't a whole lot to post this year .. unlike U I do not rip everything under the sun .... and the team STUNK .. how many ways would u like to discuss that ....
Dude ... when BQ played I was right here ... .... and saying he did not play well ..
Dude ... if i was going to hide ... would it not make sense to do it when BQ played bad?? .. ....
but when he played bad .. i was right here OWNING IT ... guess u were to busy whining to notice ....
as usual Otto .. u got me .. I hid when BQ didn't play ... and only came out when he played bad ... ya .. u got me ..  ...
Liar, liar, pants on fire... You come and go all the time. I think it's because if you didn't you would end up in banned camp like Vers...
I think you were being too hard on Quinn. I know that is because of your high expectations of him. I think trading him at this point is nonsense....Why would we ditch a QB, just to pickup another? Your opinion of DA has been clear from the start. I believe he still might be serviceable, just not in any short ball control passing game. He did show improvement this year. He was hampered by the same things Quinn was....No offense support. Dropped balls, poor blocking, bad routes and no offensive continuity hurt both.
If we are indeed going to some sort of variation of a WCO DA should be gone. If not, we should keep them both. Injuries happen, we need to be prepared if one happens at the QB spot. This team is not as bad as people are saying they are.
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Jesus, you OD on Daman-juice? Control that usage or it can be deadly. Have it your way. You didn't hide. You were just enjoying a lot of down-time. Makes no difference to me. But I'll be counting the minutes until your next extended vacation. It's so peaceful then...... 
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JMHO - do we take the 3rd? I wouldn't but its not my call. Reason? I can't think of a good 3rd round pick we ever had??? So it means nothing to me...lol
Damnit Eo, where's that unbridled optimism of yours? You should be saying something like:
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Jesus, you OD on Daman-juice?
Hey hey,, I just got out of Rehab for that and I think I've gotten lots better
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JMHO - do we take the 3rd? I wouldn't but its not my call. Reason? I can't think of a good 3rd round pick we ever had??? So it means nothing to me...lol
Damnit Eo, where's that unbridled optimism of yours?
I've put a LITTLE thought into this, mostly on a 3 hr. car rife back from my sisters. . But I WOULD take a 3rd, especially from Detriot, 1st pick, 2nd day.
And they still have a need.
Picture this, Culpepper and Anderson battling it out in TC. all they give up is a 3rd rounder for DA and they have a very decent starter to let sit for a yr if the take the kid from UGA.......or.....they draft OL and set up there line for one of the QB's coming out next yr.
Not a bad deal in MHO and we BOTH profit. They get another YOUNG veteran QB to battle Culpepper and we get the 1ST pick of the second day.
IF Anderson works out for them, they still got to invest in the trenches THIS yr. and if he doesn't...they still get to invest in the trenches this yr. and grab on of the better class of QB's NEXT yr.
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It's not spin because I don't have an emotional investment in either of these guys, so my opinion of one is irrespective of my opinion of the other, unlike yourself. I don't need to bash DA or BQ, because I prefer the other. I prefer the one who can win. They may both become fine starting QB's, and they may both end up on the ash-heap of failed NFL QB's. I think DA had a damn good year in 2007, and minus one lame-assed game plan in a gale at Cinci, we would have been in the playoffs. Thats not spin. 29 TD passes aren't spin. Neither is his record as starter of 10-5, and the fact that he made the Pro Bowl. The Pats just got a very high 2nd rounder for Matt Cassel who had a very comparable year to DA's 07 season, except he threw less TD passes - and yes - less int's. Not you, or anyone else on this board is going to convince me that Matt Cassel is a better prospect than Derek Anderson.
Me? I just want the Browns to make the best deal they can for whichever QB they are not keeping, and I could give a FF which one it, is if the people who are being paid to know are convinced they have made the right choice.
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