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Yo Dr. Spin
Don't you mean Spin Doctors???
And if you want to call me baby, just go ahead now... 
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It's not spin because I don't have an emotional investment in either of these guys,
your right .... it is not spin cause of U not being emotionally attached to either one of them .. its spin cause u only told 1/2 the story ... *LOL* ..
thats what spin is .. when u only present the positive while COMPLETELY IGNORING THE NEGATIVE ... by the way .. U LOSE ALL CREDIBILITY ALSO WHEN U DO THAT ...
so U need to go re acces your definition of SPIN ...
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so my opinion of one is irrespective of my opinion of the other, unlike yourself.
nice try junior ..... otto ... here's some low hangin fruit for ya bro ... have fun ... *L*
MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE .... thats a concept I'm fully aware of .. I realize that what DA can and can't do is MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE of what BQ can and can't do ...
hopefully U do not have the same trouble understanding what mutually exclusive means as u did understanding what spin actually is ..
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I don't need to bash DA or BQ, because I prefer the other.
Me neither ... DA's SKILL SET and play ont he field have given me all the ammo that I need ... I do nuttin but point it out ..
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I think DA had a damn good year in 2007,
Did U not watch or have u just blocked out the 2nd half of the season?? ... cause if u think anyone that did what he did over the 2nd half of the year is part of a damm fine year ... well then you weren't paying attention ... oh wait ... i forgot about your problems with the word spin .. so maybe U have the same problems with 'damm good year" ... 
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and minus one lame-assed game plan in a gale at Cinci, we would have been in the playoffs.
*L* ... Ya .. it was the game plans fault he put up 14 points for Cinci with two ABSOLUTLY HORRENDOUS PASSES just before halftime ... ya .. that was the game plans fault .... otto .. u paying attenrion here ... this guys ripe and about to fall off the tree ....
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Matt Cassel who had a very comparable year to DA's 07 season, except he threw less TD passes - and yes - less int's.
your getting closer to not being a spin master .... U only forgot one thing .. how about Matt completing about 10% more of his passes .... is that no biggie??? ...
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Not you, or anyone else on this board is going to convince me that Matt Cassel is a better prospect than Derek Anderson.
I don't recall trying to do that ... so whats your point ... there different types of QB's ... and if I had my choice .. I'd take Matt ... i like SMART, ACCURATE QB's ... but thats just me ...
anyhow ... WHO CARES whos a better prospect .. I know I don't ..
I hope U have a better concept of spin now .. if not .. i tried ...
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Me talking about Anderson's achievements in 2007 within the context of what his value might be in a trade isn't spin. If Cassel can bring a #2, then Anderson should too, IMO. If that makes me not credible in your eyes, I'll try - somehow - to go on living.
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Yo Dr. Spin
Don't you mean Spin Doctors???
And if you want to call me baby, just go ahead now...
Let's ask Jules.... she is Little Miss Can't be Wrong...
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Dave... I'm not going to lash out at your post as others have. I think if we would have traded DA after the 2007 season, a 2nd rounder would have been perfectly reasonable.. unfortunately, we did not. And this is a what have you done for me lately league.... and around the league, the freshest thing in anybodys mind is DA and the Browns offense being totally anemic and DA being injured and replaced.
In that scenario you are better off to be a unknown commodity like Matt Schaub was, at least that way other teams can only grade your potential.. they've seen DA, his ups and his downs.. and his downs are more pronounced and more recent....
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Fair enough ... I posted the same (about DA's value following the 07 season) in the Matt Cassel thread. We can disagree that everything that happened in 2008 undid that. I think the Matt Cassel trade (2nd rd, #34 overall), the Rosenfels to Minny trade (4th rd), and the relatively weak QB draft class elevates Anderson's value. My opinion is based on todays market, which, IMO, is weak.
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I agree with much of that... Given the scale you gave me, Anderson is somewhere between Cassel and Rosenfels... After '07 I'd have put him closer to Cassel, now I'd put him closer to Rosenfels.... I think that's where he is in ability as well as value... and I've said all along that I'd take a 3rd for him....
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If the Cards lose Warner...do they become the big trade team for us in regards to Anderson. We've all witnessed the arm strength of Leinart and the two WR threats that they have... Anderson's powerful arm would fit perfectly in Zona IMO. plus we would likely get a 2nd round pick granted that it be the 31st pick in the 2nd, but its still better than a 3.
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I would think NO on Anderson to the Cards....Warners strength was quick decisions and accuracy....I think they just go with Leinart who has been in the system..hand him the reigns...see if he can play....and if not go another way next year.
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If the Cards lose Warner...do they become the big trade team for us in regards to Anderson. We've all witnessed the arm strength of Leinart and the two WR threats that they have... Anderson's powerful arm would fit perfectly in Zona IMO. plus we would likely get a 2nd round pick granted that it be the 31st pick in the 2nd, but its still better than a 3.
Arm strength plays no role in the conversation regarding Warner, Leinart, Anderson, and the Cards, as Warner's arm is no longer the same one he had ten years ago, and even then, it was just average.
Having said that, if they do screw around and lose Warner, Anderson's name would make sense as someone to compete against Leinart........
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I say we trade with the donkeys...Anderson for Cutler straight-Up!  Go Brownies!!!
Who Let Da Dawgs Out? Woof, Woof, Woof!!!!!
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With Warner signing a 2 year deal does that hurt DA's value?
I think any team looking for a QB can now put Lienart on the short list of available candidates. I think he would be available for the right price.
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With Warner signing a 2 year deal does that hurt DA's value?
right now DA has a 3rd at the most value at this point of the year,
Now as the draft approches GM will start getting an itch to try to improve or make a move to show thier fans there trying and DA value might rise a bit to include maybe a 2nd at most with something next year, but his real value will be when during training camps other QB start to go down with injury or just plain look bad, than having a DA sitting on the bench in Cleveland while your starter is icinig his arm in a bucket or throwing 3 interceptions to back-ups in a pre season game, DA 's value might go up.
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I agree with all of that...and would be happy to have a 3rd for DA this year...especially this year due to the depth of the draft (with the positions that we seem to be looking for).....so who else is there that might be looking for a QB.....
Minn.....Even though they went and got Sage to compete with Jackson...I still think that they are smart enough to know that niether one of these guys are the QB of the future.....
Detroit......I'm still hoping that something can get done with them...there are just to many pros for both teams not to pull the trigger on this .....
J-E-T-S...jest...jets...jets...I think with the "D" they have now...and the running game....DA would be a great fit...you know they will go WR with their 1st pick....plus the Mangini thing....kinda like Cassell and the Cheifs.....
Tampa Bay...still need a QB, but since we already traded with them, I'm sure that is all the deals that we will be making with them..
did I miss anyone..???...I know that their are some teams that might want him as a back-up or to compete....but I'm trying to think of the teams where he could go in and pretty much be a given to start...thus getting the most for him.....
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Tampa Bay...still need a QB, but since we already traded with them, I'm sure that is all the deals that we will be making with them..
I'm pretty sure that no rule exists that says you can't trade with a team more than once.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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yeah, look at Phil and Dallas, didn't we trade like three times with them during one draft?
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