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We all are wearing ourselves out talking about the same stuff over and over, so I thought it would be nice to change the topic.

Last year the arguement was that Harrison couldn't block so he didn't play. He also was scourned as not being a good ST player. Many contend he's too small to be a feature guy.

Well the season progressed, and he did well on STs, his blocking is still a little suspect, and he put on some bulk. I saw him get some good yardage after the initial hit last year with a couple nice between the tackle runs. I believe he is stronger than most think. I also don't buy that he couldn't carry the load as a feature back. He did it in college, and besides a helmet to the ribs (crown to the back), and being shoved into a bench, he otherwise looked IMO to be able to handle more carries. Remember, most teams split time between RBs and it has proven effective. So with him and Lewis sharing the load, I feel he is more than capable to be a feature guy.

Too many times I felt that trying to get Lewis in the groove, 20 or so carries, wasted to much oppurtunity. IMO, if a guy has trouble producing until at least 15 carries, he is overrated. I like Lewis, but centering your running game on him getting 20+ carries becomes predictable and time consuming. I personally think changing it up wears a defense down quicker. It causes them to think more and react differently for each, this in turn can open up the play action easier IMO.

I guess my point is that I think Jerome should be given the oppurtunity to be the main guy, and have Lewis be the change of pace guy. It would keep both fresher, and take less toll on Lewis's aging body. He had several nagging things effect him last year, and I think it is now past the time in his career to worry about him getting 20 carries to tire the defense.

I was at camp last year and Jamal looked very quick to the whole and seemed to still have the burst he was famous for. But early in the season after taking hits, something he didn't get in camp, he appeared to slow somewhat.

If he would concentrate on being that short yardage guy like Bettis at the end, it just might extend his career aanother year or two.

As for Harrison, I think he proved himself, and deserves the chance to show his stuff. Adding one of the many good backs in this years draft would really tweak this backfield up nicely. I believe Wright is a decent back, but his blocking is his forte'. We have fullbacks for that, and two good ones at that. Let them be the blitz pick-up guys and turn loose the Ghost. Keeping Wright as basically a blocking back to me is a waste of roster space. I know he's good on STs, but he could be replaced easily in that capacity.

Let the fun begin!

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I'm trying to understand the title of the thread, but putting that aside..

I like harrison. I hope he gets a chance to prove his worth.


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The Ghost was Harrison's nickname throughout college.

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Oh, cool..thanks


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I'm trying to understand the title of the thread, but putting that aside..






Come on man, where you been? I can't believe you didn't know that. Prove his worth? I thought he already has done that, that's the point of the thread.

Man I thought this would get a better response than that.


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Come on man, where you been? I can't believe you didn't know that. Prove his worth? I thought he already has done that, that's the point of the thread.

Man I thought this would get a better response than that.




so, let me get this right, I agree with you that he needs more playing time to prove himself (which I"m confident he will do) and you give me grief because I don't write a freakin novel about it.

Dude, I said what I meant,, I didn't need to say more...

Is this gonna be a dawson thread in reverse from 2 years ago with you?


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I don't know if I'm confident going into this season with the plan being, give Harrison 15 carries a game 16 games a year.

He's proven he's an NFL back, and he made some good plays last year.

Unfortunately, he's not a very good blocker and hasn't been able to prove that he might be able to carry it the way we'd like him to.

I do agree though, I would like to see a replacement for Lewis, whether that's drafting McCoy if he's there in the 2nd or finding a capable FA . Our O-Line's play can make Lewis better, but I'd love a dynamic RB. Lewis is not very good anymore. We really gotta look toward removing him.

May be we can trade back into the 2nd and get Donald Brown. I like him. He's from UConn and I'll tell ya, he can handle the rock. He plays hard, produces, great vision, is NFL sized, and is athletic enough for the NFL.

UConn doesn't have a great team, but they're decent, and I like watching them. The Big East's football has become worse lately. Donald Brown is very good though, they're a running team, and he can do it all, inside, outside, he has some speed, not super burner but good, and he runs hard/falls forward.

I'd take him over Javon Ringer any day of the week, that's for sure.


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Just ribbing you man, calm down. Maybe I should have added one of these

Anyway, I know you are like me when it comes to Harrison, and I too hope he gets his shot.

Sorry if I got to ya, I was just joking around. Grow some skin man


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I always think of Sproles when people Say Harrison cant block and thats why he doesnt get much playing time. There is no way Sproles at 5' 6" is a good blocker and the Chargers seem to be doing just fine fitting him into their game plans. Here is to see more of Harrison and Cribbs!


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The Ghost was Harrison's nickname throughout college.




And here I thought it was his nick because Romeo never gave the man PT..

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There is no way Sproles at 5' 6" is a good blocker





Sproles is a fantastic blocker. He is known to blow up players way bigger than him.
I think Harrison's playing time was more trying to give Jamal his carries, and RAC having a fetish for veteran players over young guys.


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The Ghost was Harrison's nickname throughout college.




And here I thought it was his nick because Romeo never gave the man PT..




lol me to.


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Harrison is a pretty good back.... I like his style. He is very agile, and makes great reads, and can cut quick to make guys miss. He can also get to the edge and get those extra yards.....

I hope Mangini gets this guy in the game more. I think if he were anywhere else, he would be well known throughout the league.


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Unfortunately, he's not a very good blocker and hasn't been able to prove that he might be able to carry it the way we'd like him to.





A feature back does need to block, but his ability running the ball is what counts. You need a good blocking back mostly on third and longs and opassing situations. IMO , give Jerome the ball, and let someone else block.

I guess my problem is "carry it the way we'd like him to". How's that 25-30 carries a game? Not too many teams do that anymore, and I believe it is more effective to change it up. I don't understand why many Browns fans feel our back has to carry the ball that much. I think many are stuck on the "Jamal gets better after 20 carries". I just don't see how handing it to Jamal 20 times up the middle does anything, if he's averaging 2-3 yards per carry. Face it Lewis can't wear out a defense anymore, it's time to change strategies. Jerome has the ability to break it off, let him try.

For those who still think he can't carry 10-15 times a game I say rubbish. I'll believe it when it is truly proven.


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There is no way Sproles at 5' 6" is a good blocker



Sproles is a fantastic blocker. He is known to blow up players way bigger than him.





I saw this so many times in the game against Indy and even against the Steelers. For being 5'6" 181...the guy laid down some amazing blocks against both teams. A lot of his blocks really bought Rivers the time he needed to unload the ball.

Edit: I've always been a Harrison supporter even before this past season when people claimed Wright was a better ball carrier. I'm really interested to see him in combination with Cribbs and see what types of plays/formations they can work these guys into.

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I am sorry, but the title eludes me. maybe got lost in ref translation or editing
I like what I saw of him, his blocking isn't pro level yet, and part of that is wanting to. I think he needs touches, but shame on us and our offensive 2nd guessing that left him off the field; we sucked bad enough in MANY other areas to give him some goes. Neglected the upside and another tool draws rust. HUGE disconnect that is the Browns. Good enough to keep for roster, but we don't risk playing them into games enough to help out.


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The blocking thing is the one thing that I have questions about when it comes to my boy Shady McCoy. I didn't pay enough attention to it to compare him to Harrison, but it could be a sticking point. JMHO


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That is great!!!!


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Just wondering, anyone remember that something 65 yard run that Harrison made streaking downt he sidelines right in front of Romeo?

I would love to have that tape footage, anyone got it or remember it?


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A Harrison thread...Ok.

He definitely has skills with the ball in his hands.

I think the one steadfast negative has been his liability being in as the 3rd down back and having to pick up the blitz.

If you notice players like Sproles and Pocket Hurcules - first would gain achievement in their 3rd down roles and then slowly the touches would grow hi-lighting their skills with the ball in their hands.

Problem with Harrison is that he almost REFUSED to get that STEP # 1 down - and wanted to skip to STEP # 2...reps with the ball in their hands.

The first priority for the 3rd down back in todays game is to pick up the blitz and be OK - GOOD at blocking. Folks this is not a hard task. Its a frame of mind.

No, Jim Brown was never a good blocker. I'm sure if in his day you put down a Million $$ and say become the best blocker ever...he would have. But he never was in that frame of mind to become a blocker. I'm sure this irked Paul Brown to all ends...and maybe JimB defied him in this manner cause he could/should have been a great blocker.

But here in lies the problem with Harrison.... HE AIN'T NO JIM BROWN!

There is one sequence that is like his POSTER of what he brings to us.

Jets game 07.
We set him out wide in the slot - he comes in motion and gets a handoff and we trap inside Joe T...nice play and he gains 17 yards.
We keep him in as our RB in our regular formation with a FB lead blocker and set up a simple ISO to the left...again inside JoeT - we gain about 5-7 yards. Nice run.

Mind you we are inside the Red Zone after his intitial 17 yard run.
We keep him in as our RB in our regular formation and we pass...he recognizes the blitz on the right side. Moves up and as the Defender approaches...simple ducks his head down. The blitzer simply Hand slaps him to the side without having to break stride...Good thing it was on DA's right so he saw the blitzer coming and threw the ball quickly to the feet of a Wide open WR about 10 yards downfield to that vacated blitzing spot. And was totally Blown up as he threw the ball.

WE NEVER HEARD FROM HARRISON AGAIN THAT GAME.

So that scenario has come up over n over again. Most people all they can remember is the 17 n the 5-7 yard run and then he's out. RAC is stupid and Chud is Stupid and all that. Point Blank Harrison has only himself to blame for the slow start of his career.

Will it change with Mangini??? I don't know you see in NY Washington had made himself into an OK - GOOD blocker prior to getting those reps...and the more he blocked the more the Reps came.

Harrison was not a 1st round investment where he was brought in here to be that EVERY DOWN RB...I'm happy that is his goal. But he is what he is. A 5th round pick who must EARN their reps by doing the little things asked of him.

He did improve last year on Special Teams. Again a frame of mind task.

But he still was a liability in his 3rd down role and time n again we saw Wright in that role instead.

So unless there is a spree of injuries - we wouldn't get the opportunity to see Harrison. Will the new Regime see Harrison in a different light.

I can tell you right now what they see. Somebody who makes them smile when they see him with the ball in his hands. And then Shake their heads when they see him try to block for the QB on a blitz. His status might not change. Meaning he has to become at least an adequate blocker like Jamal Lewis is...he's not great but he's made himself into an Adequate blocker. Harrison is still on the HE SUCKS level in blocking.

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