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INDIANAPOLIS: Perhaps it was mere posturing before next week's start to free agency.

But in separate interviews Friday at the NFL Scouting Combine, Browns coach Eric Mangini and General Manager George Kokinis did not seem opposed to keeping quarterbacks Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson this season.

Others might not be so fortunate. Mangini said he would let strong safety Sean Jones test the waters when free agency begins Feb. 27, even though he acknowledged that if Jones leaves, he'll have to find a starter to replace him.

And Mangini and Kokinis were vague about the future of offensive tackle Ryan Tucker, receiver Joe Jurevicius and defensive end Robaire Smith. All are under contract, but coming off injuries and could be approached by the Browns to renegotiate.

Tucker (arthroscopic surgery on his right knee) is due to make $3.25 million in 2009; Jurevicius (seven operations on his right knee in '08, five to clean out a staph infection), $2.4 million; and Smith (ruptured left Achilles), $1.5 million.

It has been presumed that Quinn will be the Browns' starter in '09, especially since new offensive coordinator Brian Daboll is expected to run the same New England Patriots-style attack that Quinn flourished in under Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis. That would leave Anderson, a 2007 Pro Bowl player, as trade bait, perhaps to acquire more draft picks. The Browns hold only four selections in the April 25-26 NFL Draft.

But as of Friday morning, Mangini said Anderson's camp had not asked him or Kokinis to be traded.

''We definitely haven't ruled out keeping both,'' Mangini said. ''What's important is that everybody has the opportunity to compete for the spot, and that it's fair.

''I don't necessarily think you have to trade if one guy beats out the other guy. Injuries happen all the time and, if you only have one guy at the position, suddenly you could be forced to change a lot with your offense. You can never have too many good quarterbacks. You can never have too much depth. Without evaluating all the elements, it's hard to say [we're leaning one way or other]. This isn't just specific to the quarterbacks.''

Mangini has spent a lot of time watching the Browns' 2007 and 2008 games and said there are ''things I like a lot about both guys.''

''I don't think the choice has to be made by 'X' date,'' Mangini said. ''I believe you have to go through it and make the right choice. It's much more important to me to let it play out and then make the best decision we can make.''

Kokinis said he didn't feel pressure to move Anderson because of the $5 million roster bonus he's due March 15.

''I don't think so,'' Kokinis said. ''All positions are valuable, but when you're talking about the quarterback position, you want to keep your options open, you don't want to have a deadline represent what decision you're going to make. Derek's a good player, and we want to give him the option and we want to give us the option of taking a look at it. In the grand scope of the football team, if it doesn't make sense, then we have to re-evaluate what we're looking at.''

What about Jones?


Another decision looming large will come with Jones, who had 14 interceptions in the past three seasons. A right knee injury that required arthroscopic surgery after the opener limited him to 12 games in '08, but the second-round pick in 2004 has long been considered a Pro Bowl-caliber player.

Asked why he wouldn't make an effort to re-sign Jones, Mangini said, ''It's a function of looking at the full body of free agents, looking at what's available in the draft and letting the market settle and see where it comes out.''

Kokinis said he would continue to talk with Jones' agent, Brian Mackler.

''I don't think there's any conclusions there,'' Kokinis said. ''I think Sean has done some good things for this football team. Again, we've got to look at the grand scope of things. We're gonna continue to talk to Sean and his representative to see if it fits.''

Reached by phone Friday evening, Mackler said he would not discuss Jones' situation until next week.

Mangini said the strategy could be the same for the other Browns' free agents, who include safety Mike Adams, cornerback Daven Holly, linebacker Andra Davis, running back Jason Wright, guard Seth McKinney and tight end Darnell Dinkins.

As for the aforementioned injured three, Kokinis said he hasn't spoken to Smith yet, but he has seen Jurevicius and Tucker at Browns headquarters.

''They've done a lot for this football team,'' Kokinis said. ''They represent things we want to strive for. They're good people. I'm going to meet with their agents here. I want to try to get with their representatives and see how do they feel about this new change. What do they think their role is going to be?''

Looks like a good spot to add this read:

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Cleveland Browns' Eric Mangini discusses Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Josh Cribbs, free agency
by Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter
Friday February 20, 2009, 9:27 PM


INDIANAPOLIS -- Amid rumors linking quarterback Derek Anderson to a different team almost every day, the Browns are putting up the front that they are perfectly comfortable pitting Anderson against Brady Quinn in a training camp competition.

"I don't think you necessarily have to trade if one guy beats out the other guy," Browns coach Eric Mangini said during a break at the NFL scouting combine Friday.

"Injuries happen all the time and if you only have one guy at a position, suddenly things can dramatically change in terms of the approach of your offense. You can never have too many quarterbacks."

Mangini said he has completed his video review of both quarterbacks, covering both the 2007 and '08 seasons, but has reached no conclusion about the future of the position.

"With both Derek and Brady, there's things I like a lot about both guys," he said. "I don't think there's going to be a defined time on this. I think you have to go through it and make the right choice, not necessarily by 'X' date. It's much more important to me to let it play out and then make the best decision."

Anderson is owed a $5 million roster bonus March 13. It is guaranteed, so the Browns figure to pay it to give them more time to evaluate the situation and to make Anderson more attractive in a trade.

Like General Manager George Kokinis said in advance of the combine, Mangini wouldn't rule out anything.

"We'll always be open to listening to ideas, listening to opportunities," he said. "At the end of the day, what's going to drive the decision is what's going to improve the team."

Asked if Anderson has asked to be traded, Mangini said: "I've never had that conversation with him. Neither has George."

Neither Anderson nor his agent Mark Humenik returned messages for comment.

Mangini declined to appear in front of all media covering the combine Friday, joking that he preferred to spend his free time with Cleveland reporters.

On other topics, Mangini:

• Said the Browns are willing to let all their 13 unrestricted free agents test the market beginning Feb. 27.

• Said receiver Joe Jurevicius and offensive lineman Ryan Tucker, who both missed the 2008 season with injuries, should be ready to participate to some degree at the opening of the off-season conditioning program March¤16. The coach wouldn't say the team was seeking to restructure their deals, but said Kokinis has been talking with their agents.

"We're evaluating all the different contracts, all the different situations, so that's part of it," he said.

Mangini added: "I like both those guys. . . . I like their toughness and competitiveness."

• Downplayed the idea of striking quickly and aggressively when the free-agent signing period begins at 12:01 a.m. on Feb. 27.

"I'm not necessarily ruling it out, but I don't think that's where we're going to be as active in the short term," he said.

In another context, though, Mangini conceded that Giants free-agent running back Derrick Ward is a player on his radar screen.

"Yeah, he's a guy that we'd look at it. I can tell you we're looking at all the free agents," Mangini said.

• Indicated he intends to develop Josh Cribbs in a variety of roles -- including on defense -- but he will not move him full time from wide receiver to running back.

"I think that we're going to look at all his spots. Josh is a versatile guy. He can throw, run, catch the ball, he covers great. [He can play] offense, defense.

"Troy Brown played receiver [with New England] and filled in for us at nickel cornerback. We worked [Jets return specialist] Leon Washington last year at slot corner. Those guys that can play multiple spots are invaluable because it affects the 45 [on the active game roster] and you don't maybe have to take a fourth safety or that fifth corner."

Asked if he viewed Cribbs as a potential cornerback or safety, he said, "I like either one of them."

• Declined to confirm that a pass rusher is the team's top need in the draft.

"I would never draft a guy that's [just] a pass rusher, or a guy that's [just] a cover corner or [just] a box safety," he said. "If that's all they do, then teams run against pass rushers, they throw against box safeties, and they force cover corners to tackle. So I'm looking to draft complete football players."

• Declined to confirm that he has hired Missouri defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus as linebackers coach until a contract is signed.

He also said that Wes Chandler would not return as Browns receivers coach.

"We're still looking. That will be the last spot we would fill," Mangini said.

And I really don't like that they are not going to re-sign Jones before Free Agency hits...

Atleast throw him an offer... If he declines, then so be it... but dang...

There is your reason for them not trying to get Jones.... Ryan wants wilson.

I got no problem with that.

Let's not forget Leonard from the Ravens....they could be targeting them both...

nordawg

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Amid rumors linking quarterback Derek Anderson to a different team almost every day, the Browns are putting up the front that they are perfectly comfortable pitting Anderson against Brady Quinn in a training camp competition.

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I gotta say I really like the way this situation is being handled. We really ARE in a good situation at QB and there's no need for us to appear desperate to move him. Add in the fact that DA has not voiced any discontent so far makes for the perfect environment for us to get max trade value for DA if/when teams start calling.

And, Quinn is enough of a fan favorite that I don't necessarily think there'd be a huge QB controversy. I think most of the fanbase will support him and let him make mistakes, at least for a few games. If he just stinks up the joint, then we have someone at backup that is more than capable of keeping us afloat.

If we keep DA and Quinn is the starting QB (which I think will happen if we keep both), I don't know that there'd really be a big "QB controversy."

With rookies entering the league and playing well...Balt and Atlanta as an example, Quinn needs to get it going from the get-go.

He is past the point of being a rookie.

I disagree.

They just aren't interested in overpaying.

The offers he gets will dictate how interested.

I think we definetly made an offer to Jones ... or at least discussed paramaters and the sides weren't even close numbers wise in those paramaters ......

so his side wants to test the waters and see whats out there .... and rightfully so ....

from what I've heard (safety is tough ass positon to judge from TV) Pool played much better in Jones spot than he did at his own ... so maybe they want to give Pool a shot there ... who knows .... as these guys will not give Pool near as much rope as Opie/RAC did as they have nuttin invested in him ...

it could also be cause Ryan wants Wilson ...

we really have NO CLUE WHY Jones is hitting the FA market ... it could be for a plethora of reasons .. witch we are not privy to ...

as for DA ... why in the hell would his side ask for a trade now .. 5 mill is 5 mill .. *LOL* ..

Supposebly Ward is looking for 4 million a year, not Michael Turner money. I wouldn't mind him for that.

I think there's a point in all the FA and draft talk that has to stay in the froefront of everybody's mind. This is Koke & Mangini's first year here. They are an unknown quantity to agents, players and other personell guys. Of course Mangini is more understood but he wasn't making personell decisions and contract decisions here in NY. When ever it's a GM or coach with a votes first year, they are going to get tested by agents and players and if they want to be taken seriously they have to play it a little harder than veteran executives in the league. They can't be viewed as easily taken advantage of.

I SUSPECT that they are sending a message with Jones. Jones' camp probably threw out some crazy numbers and Koke and Mangini didn't bite. I'm thinking that of course they want him back but they have to do this the right way. If they sign him, probably our most important FA, to big cahuna contract early then it sends a signal to every other agent and player on the team that there's money on the table to had. How they handle this FA period and thier own FA players will dictate how they do business for the rest of thier tenure here. It's always better to been seen as little too hard in the negotiating process than a little to soft. Always. That might mean letting Jones walk but it might also mean not being in some kind of compounded cap hell in 5 years.

Plus, it behooves all personel types to play it close close close to the chest until next year. 2010 FA period is going to be insane. Maybe not as great as the players hope for but interesting none the less.

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as for DA ... why in the hell would his side ask for a trade now .. 5 mill is 5 mill .. *LOL* ..

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Maybe because a team that REALLY LIKES him wants him as a #1 QB and are wanting to ink him LONG-TERM???...MO-MONEY???

Versus WAITING and settling for a team that wants him as a BACK-UP under his current 2 years left???

BTW...I'm beyond confused about this chit...That Bonus is due the 13th...Not the 15th...If he's traded on the 5th...And new team inks him to a multi-year deal...That 5M NEVER GETS PAID...And DA won't give a damn cause he'll get ALOT more than that in the new deal...I still do not believe that regardless of what we do that we're taking a 5M cap hit for that Bonus...

I can agree with that. I am sure it isn't like nothing has been discussed somewhere along the line.

I am sure some numbers were mentioned and a bunch of "we'll see" was said.

Us not tagging Jones sent them a message. I am not sure what the tag numbers are...the low one being the key figure...it says we aren't really willing to pay that, or start at that point, which is probably lower than they figure....so everybody is on the same page, even if different books.

On the Anderson comment...I guess you are agreeing with me. I have slept since making it, but yeah....Anderson isn't going to ask for a trade....I think he knows it is going to happen anyway.

Right now he is just waiting to cash his 5 mil check...and can't say I blame him.

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The problem is Jones is hard to value.

It is probably better to see what other teams offer before we start throwing around numbers. I have a suspicion it will be cheaper that way if we end up keeping him because whatever number we throw out will be the starting point.

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That sounds like good logic to me... I mean, Jones did his job, but it's not like he's the second coming of Troy Palamalu or anything.. let the market set the pace.

your a little lost here bro ... your thinking the 5 mill is something that is going to have a MAJOR IMPACT on what we ask for him and his future teams plans for him ....... when in reality it only really impacts two parts of this ...

1. us having to pay it ...
2. weather DA recieves it or not ..

if we can push him before the 13th thats GOOD FOR US .... BAD FOR DA ... thats really all it affects .... your getting to hung up on this # as some sort of drop dead deadline ...

and if there is a team willing to re-negotiate for DA before the 13th ... they want him as a starter and see sumptin in him ... so guess what ... if they wait till the 14th to do it .. THEY STILL SEE HIM THE SAME .... and that means they want him PRETTY BAD and are going to give us a high enough pick that we'll be willing to eat the 5 mill to get it ...

and my guess is ... and this is not going to happen ... draft deals do not usually happen until right before the draft as the sense of urgency starts to rise for al parties concerned .. so our PLAN best be focused around a trade sometime for the night before or the AM of the draft as the main contigencies ...

but anyhow .... my guess is if we do someohow trade him before the 13th .. that we will have to pay him some portion of that bonus as an incentive for him to give up the entire 5 mill ... any agent worth his salt would get that for DA ... ITS FREE MONEY ... the "circumstances" around a deal for DA before the 13th means everything negotiation wise is in DA's corner ... we would ahve nuttin to hold over his head .... he knows were not going to turn down a 1st or 2nd rnd pick even if we do pay him the 5 mill ... so we have nuttin to "hold over his head" .. cause saying ... well if u do not agree to it before the 13th the deal is off will just get laughed at by his agent ... kinda like us trying to sell the fact that DA has anymore value to us other than being a back up .. u can say it till your blue in the face .. but everyone knows it isn't true ..

don't get so caught up in this 5 mill thing ... its just a # that is really irrelivent in the grand scheme of things ...

if we tagged Jones I'd have puked ... he is an average safety at best .... nothing more .. him and his agent are going to find that out soon enough ...

I think the only message we sent out is that Jones wants more than we think hes worth ... I do not think this was some "message" sent out to future FA's about how were gonna play ... he was in no way IMO used as an "example" ...

DA's prolly counting the days until he gets it ... I know i would be ... FREE MONEY ... AND LOTS OF IT .... *L* ..

it is going to be really interesting to see how this unfolds with DA .. my guess is he ends up right here ... I do not believe we will get what we consider to be fair market value ... i don't think there's as big a market out there for DA as most think ... i hope i am wrong ... but unless we get a 1st or 2nd for him ... we will never really know the truth ....

I don't know....teams begin to panic when they don't have a qb. Getting one who has mixed reviews is better than having one you know stinks....things may pick up, but I agree the odds may be better then people think DA stays right here because as you said....at some point the pick offered just isn't worth what you give up....especially when you count the money spent, and the money you will have to spend looking for a back-up.

Keeping him also gets us in to camp, where qb's can get hurt...and demand really cranks up and leverage really drops when a team is 3 weeks away from the season and the qb goes down.

How much talking do you think it already going on behind the scene right now about trade talks over DA.... or I guess BQ as well.

so your saying that teams would rather have a QB that is up and down instead of one that is always down .. thanks for pointing that out to me ... appreciatte the INSIGHT .... *LOL* ...

and thats my point .. how much are teams willing to give up for a yo yo ...

our best bet is to find a team with a dumb ass GM and HC that has much bigger egos than football knowledge ... or a team like Minni ... I really think Minni is our only hope here ...

maybe I'll do a thread on that .. a team by team analysis of who our potential suitors truely are ...

and I agree with the training camp scenario ... problem is then were trading for next years picks .. and I believe we want the picks now ..... and it will more than likely be CONDITIONAL ...

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How much talking do you think it already going on behind the scene right now about trade talks over DA.... or I guess BQ as well.

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*LOL* ... how u can even think such absolutely mind boggling thoughts much less type them is beyond me ..

that ranks right up there with your statement about Coke .... the one where U said after his 3 day stay in berea meeting with our coaches and he had cleaned out his office in Ratville ...... that if we haven't hired him yet he may still be actively working for the Rats ... *LOL* ..

remarkable .. it just makes me shake my head and wonder ... how far out of touch with reality does someone have to be to make remarks like that ...

Last year at this time I was clamoring for Savage to make the a trade for DA and sign Byron Leftwich as the back-up to BQ.

I find myself praying that Coke will do what Savage didn't !

"I think we definetly made an offer to Jones ... or at least discussed paramaters and the sides weren't even close numbers wise in those paramaters ......
so his side wants to test the waters and see whats out there .... and rightfully so"

Ditto that.

Also right now Safety is becoming a hot number in the NFL...Teams are recognizing that Zona had Wilson, Steelers had Palo, Ravens had Reed, Eagles had Dawkins.

So Jones' agent I'm sure is looking to cash in on it.

Also I agree probably Raiders Wilson would take about what Jones is asking. Was Gbril Wilson a FS or a SS... I'm not sure what he was with the Giants.

Also another thing I'm sort of happy about is the supposed hiring of Eberflus the DC of Missouri for our LB coach. Hope that goes through but also I have been pretty high on Missouri Safety William Moore. The kid as a Junior was projected to be a Mid-First round pick but because of loyalty to the school stayed his Senior year. He played hurt all year long and didn't show the same skills (who does playing hurt???) and now he has dropped into the mid-2nd round.

So all of a sudden the kid isn't a stud? I think he is and we are talking about a 230lb 4.5 Safety Stud Well if on our Defensive coaching staff who would know more about Moore better than his Defensive Coordinator???

He could become our 2nd round pick at #36 and if he is we know why he is

JMHO

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Also I agree probably Raiders Wilson would take about what Jones is asking. Was Gbril Wilson a FS or a SS... I'm not sure what he was with the Giants.

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SS under Ryan...FS in NY...

Does it really matter tho???...Looks like Phillips of Tampa's gonna hit the market too...He's a FS in a Cover 2...Capable of SS...

I think Pool would fare alot better closer to the LOS than being in centerfield...So Phillips is a possibility...So is Wilson...I think we're pretty flexible with a Safety...

I'd bet Jones gets in the 5-6M a year from someone...He's gone...

Do you have an answer, or do you just like to hear yourself type. answer the question, or pipe down and just ignore me.

I've never been sold on Pool and considered Jones the better safety. That being said, its obvious we need to bring someone else in

I can't see us drafting safety at #5 (unless we plan to convert Jenkins) so if Jones leaves I target Leohnard, Wilson or draft Chung in round 2

I did answer U ... u just didn't like the answer ... *L* ...

I turned the question over to my 7 year old nephew .. heres what he had to say .... and take it with a grain of salt ... as hes a squeeler fan like his dad ...

on DA ... he said he has NO CLUE as he shrugged his shoulders ..... I said good answer .. as NONE OF US DO ..

on BQ ... when he was done *L* at U .... he said ... " Uncle Deim even I know your not going to trade BQ ... why would someone ask that dumb of a question ... can we watch batman now" .... and I said .. well Ty Ty ... thats about the norm for that poor fella ... he don't get out much ... ... and no batman until after lunch ...

next time I'll try my 4 year old nephew .. maybe U can hoodwink him into thinking you have a clue ... good luck with that one ..

Classic Diam trash talk...I'm sure glad you've been posting here more often and others can get use to you.

No offense Daman but I couldn't help to think it was funny.

Hope you have a sense of humor

Thank your nephew for explaining his thinking.. But you and your nephew missed the point of the question.. you were too busy trying your best to make someone else look foolish, you still didn't answer the question..,

and for the mentally challenged such as you appear to be..

the QUESTION was,,,, do you think anyone is already discussing a trade with the Browns for DA or for that matter BQ.

The question was NEVER IF they would trade one or the other, it was whether or not discussions were taking place already.

If you would stop trying to "show people up" maybe most on here wouldn't think that you are the rudest man on the planet.

do you think anyone is already discussing a trade with the Browns for DA or for that matter BQ.

I stopped watching Sponge Bob with my sons to answer that...
Teams(who have a interest)are discussing with themselves what they want to give up for DA IF they initiate trade talks....vs a rookie QB...when the BROWNS feel like saying or the media leaks out stuff you'll know..

Doesn't matter how many QBs we have or how well they play if we don't have receivers (note plural) who can catch. Our receivers butchered DA's season last year. Now he's the one with questionable talent. Even Quinn felt the sting of the dropsies. Until the team addresses that position with reliable, quality talent, all our QBs will "suck".

Jones is a good safety. Not great, but good. Let him test the FA market, someone will be at that position whether its Jones or not, there won't be much of a drop off, IMO.

FA is an area where we just might miss Savage the most. I hope not, but I did think he did a very nice job in that arena. (Wasn't his fault LCB & G-Bax blew up.) I was looking forward to seeing the next coup he would pull.

Haste makes waste sometimes; but you can lose a bargain at auction for a dollar. I am reassured that they are looking at quality, not just dollar signs here. Some things cost, and others have value, even if expensive at first glance. We need caliber in a number of places. Willingness to wait means A) we might be fishing more picks, and B) we may be in a better place talent-wise in Manny's opinion. Some of our guys are keepable apparently, just not as starters or perhaps at their current price tags. Valuation at the production level. Hope ALL contracts are heavy on performance levels and achievement. I do not really favor the roster bonus giveaway for fogging a mirror. Just me typing there though.

I think the core of a team is built via the draft and always having less draft picks than other teams sucks. So I won't miss Phil this year.

How does a team like Dallas always get FA's and always have tons of draft picks? Is it just me seeing this or are we lacking here?

Cleveland Browns' Sean Jones a safety not worthy of big contract, writes The Plain Dealer's Terry Pluto
Sunday, February 22, 2009


The Browns wisely declined to tag safety Sean Jones their franchise player, meaning he'd be paid about $6.3 million. Instead, he will be a free agent at the end of the month. The more I watch Jones, the less I know about him - other than he seems average. When healthy, he's a strong tackler against the run. But he had knee surgery early last season, missing four games and that seemed to cost him mobility. He never was an asset on pass coverage. After four seasons and 60 games with the Browns, is there any reason to think Jones will be anything more than just OK? And how much salary cap do you commit to him? In my mind, not a lot.

The biggest argument in favor of keeping Jones is the Browns have no one else to take his spot. In 2007, he was on the field for 98 percent of the snaps. He played every game his first three seasons, before 2008. He is reliable and a solid locker-room guy. But the safety combination of Jones and Brodney Pool was nearly as much of a problem in the secondary last season as young cornerbacks Eric Wright and Brandon McDonald. They certainly didn't seem to give those kids on the corner a lot of help - and Jones has been especially vulnerable defending tight ends over the years.

Most fans know the Browns are in desperate need of linebackers for the 3-4 defense. They also could use a veteran cornerback to help Wright and McDonald. But what could really upgrade the defense is a playmaking safety, something the Browns have lacked since returning in 1999. New coach Eric Mangini has talked about Josh Cribbs sometimes playing in the secondary, and I wonder if he could possibly become an impact safety.

A quick look at the leaders in interceptions for 2008 revealed that only five players picked off more than five passes last season: Ed Reed (Ravens), Nick Collins (Packers), Michael Griffin (Titans), Troy Polamalu (Steelers) and Charles Woodson (Packers). The only nonsafety is Woodson. If the Browns can sign Jones to a reasonable contract like the $2.4 million deal he had last season - that makes sense. But if some team wants to throw a lot of money at Jones, wish him the best and shop for someone else.

The other safety is Pool. Like Jones, he hits hard. And like Jones, he's not a major playmaker. Jones does have 14 interceptions over the past three years compared with seven for Pool. Over the past two seasons, each safety has forced a grand total of two fumbles. Perhaps I am being too hard on both guys, but I don't think the Browns' defense will make a dramatic improvement until one of the safety spots is upgraded.

There has been some talk about the Browns picking Ohio State cornerback Malcolm Jenkins, who some scouts believe is best suited for safety in the pros. But they wouldn't do that with the No. 5 pick. And they still need linebackers, linebackers and more linebackers. It's always possible they can trade down, and that could bring Jenkins into the picture.

How about this from SI.com's Jonah Freedman as the English Premier League's Aston Villa has moved into the Top 10 soccer poll, "Heads up, fellow Yanks who are seeking an EPL club to support: Owner Randy Lerner is an American who actually seems to get how a European club should be run - and Northern Irishman Martin O'Neill is a mastermind manager who gets the most out of his men." There is a sense that Lerner is counting on Eric Mangini to be his O'Neill, the hard-driving coach who took his franchise from utter mediocrity to an elite level. Lerner is a revered name among soccer circles in Europe for what he has done with Aston Villa.

We should bring Jones back...

Pro:
He can stop the run.
He likes to hit.
Will hit anyone.

Con:
Does not cover well one on one.

No one is perfect... Geez...