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LOL, fiction can be fun. Do you have a link to that conspiracy theory being a fact? No, you don't becaiuse it's quite simple a load of bunk. 
Yeah, Lerner should consult Gates or Trump on who to hire to run a football team. They are both great football minds and know how to build a winning franchise.  He should never have consulted with someone that has built mulitple winning organizations like Ernie Accorsi. That guy doesn't have a clue about how to run a franchise. He just helped restore Cleveland to the upper tier of football, the Giants to a Super Bowl winning franchise, and the Falcons swift turn around this year. Yeah, ignore him and talk to guys that haven't touched a football, let alone run a successful team (Trump was great in the USFL, huh?).
As to the fantasy you posted about why Gini was fired, all I can say is wow. Tell us wher you got all this information that the Jets told the players to question the organization's move. That's sound business there, huh, KOB? Tell your employees to support a terminated employee and question the Jets' FO and have the fanbase question it, too. That's a winning formula.
Maybe you should stick to being Ron Paul's disciple because your conspiracy theories on the Browns is beyond ridiculous.
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I was ready to write a scathing response but you already put it perfectly.
What the hell do suits know about good football guys? Hell, I think I, with my limited experience, going by my own football instinct, could hire better people than a suit who doesn't know anything about the game.
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I agree, with your limited experience  you could make more sound football decisions than Bill Gates. The rest of his speculation and crap (sorry, there is no other word for it) is just plain wrong. I know three Jets players personally (though I haven't talked to them in a year or two) and talked to some of their former coaches after the Gini hiring. They all follow the Browns and a couple are avid Browns fans. They talked to the players and said that Gini was not disliked by the players. They were shocked he was fired, sad to see him go, and questioned the FO for making the move. The word around the Jets' locker room was he was let go because he was against the Favre deal, wanted to sit Favre, and was made the scapegoat when Favre faltered down the stretch.
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IMO Mangini needs to make no apology. He's the coach, don't like him tough you're making millions to play, but not to choose who you play for.
I got a feeling Rogers is already not liking that the country club is being turned into a football camp. I don't think he likes the rules and after talking to Jenkins now knows what camp will be like.
I say tough. He could try to get ahold of the coach just as easy as EM getting ahold of him. These players think they are to be bowed down to. So what if the coach ignored him, what a (uses another name for a cat).
I think the Haynesworth money could be part of this too
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Yea.. There is really no need for him to apologize....
Boss's don't apologize.... It doesn't happen.
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Lerner needs to consult with Donald Trump or Bill Gates(both Multi-Billionare successful sound business men with the expereince and know how to get the job done)
How many times have Trump enterprises gone belly up?  (bankrupt)
Way too many for my tastes.
Witjh Gates we'd need to reboot the team 6 or 7 times per season, and every time we installed or uninstalled a player .......
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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So speaking of the Jets....and Mangini....Coles just had his contract restructured to become an Unrestricted FA....
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Not only that, don't forget Trump's great hiring of Walters in the USFL that was so good he ended up coaching in Helsinki in some podunk league. Yep, he's a great source of information on how to run a football franchise
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Not only did Trump run a team into the ground, he ran an entire league into the ground.
Talk about putting your foot in your mouth...
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"the Jets players were glad he was gone, they definitly were not sad about it, they looked like they were ready to throw a party with those smiles on their faces...big smiles of relief"
I bet. Just like when Parcells left Dallas. I'm sure a bunch of the players were glad to see that fun person to be around, leave town. And look what they got now...............
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Yanno, it blows that we are dealing with stuff like this. Why does this organization continually shoot themselves in the foot?
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Ok i'll make the decision for everyone.  Eric Mangini's new nickname is "genie", as in genie of the lamp.
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Just wait til' the 16th like everyone else MUST do!!! OMG!! He must feel so neglected... Go enjoy the millions that you have on a tropical island in the sun, while a lot of us have to clock in and out 5 days a week.
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Lol refs, it was posted at rotoworld http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL&line=140021Shaun Rogers-DL- Browns Feb. 25 - 11:12 pm et ESPN's John Clayton reports that DT Shaun Rogers recently asked for a one-on-one meeting with Eric Mangini, but Mangini turned him down. Mangini told Rogers he'd meet with the team on March 16 and there would be "no individual meetings." Rogers is under contract with little leverage, but this situation could hang over the new Cleveland regime's head for a while. Source: ESPN Insider Ok now? "Reaching out" my a**
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See, with a link we can see that and don't have to go only on what you posted.  Quote:
Ok now? "Reaching out" my a**
Don't use asterisks. That's against the rules too. You wanna say ass then say ass.
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I keep seeing this bit about Mangini not saying hi to Rodgers at some event. But no where do I see that Rodgers made any attempt to go up to Mangini and say hi himself.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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"Don't get me wrong, the NY Jets players said "nice" things about Mangini...because they were "told to" by the Jets FO so there would be no repurcussions, fines, and bad press towards the Jets."
Pretty much sums up your opinion...
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Django, why do you hate Mangini so much?
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Rogers has an obvious EGO-problem....BUT the HC has to be able to MANAGE different ego-types and NOT HAVE an EGO of his own and start EGO-clashes with his players...that´s a childish reaction on his own from someone who is supposed to LEAD this team...
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I am going to say that there are many over the top comments being mde in this thread by many different posters, but yours takes the cake.
I am not going to bother discussing anything you state because your too unrealistic and isn't worth my time, but your thoughts about this are really out there and quite honestly embarass me as a Browns fan, and hope other fans of other teams who happen to read your comments don't lump me into the same catagory as you and your thoughts, they make for a good tale for some sort of soap opera, but this is a great reason why I have a hard time taking your thoughts seriously, because to be frank, your out there.
Really some of you guys need to get a grip, no matter what, the organization has the upper hand in this situation and Rodgers can whne and cry all he wants, but if push comes to shove he will play for the Browns if not I would imagine a trade of some sort would be made and we would get something in return. No biggie.
Rodgers though an good football player isn't going to be "the man" to make us or break he is a piece to the puzzle and he is replacable if need be.
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Sadly, we all knew this was a potential problem with Rogers. Oh and if he doesn't buy into what Jeannie is cooking we are better off just getting what we can in a trade, and eating the money
I would agree..even though he has a world of talent ..playing the position he plays, he has to bring it all the time..and if he is going to play half hearted he's going to hurt the defense big time..
I don't like it.. but it tells how inmature he is.again if that really bugged you go talk to the guy before these meetings are set up..
Something tells me Rodgers feels he's not going to a Mangini favorite and he's going to have to bust his butt off...and if he feels he won't be coddled ...he wants out..
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Lol, I just posted a link to a report...it´s not me reporting this....Mangini was said to be "reaching out", now a report pops up that he´s actually turning a vis-a-vis request BY Rogers (see, big cry baby is approaching Mangini) DOWN....that would be the 2nd lie and the new season hasn´t even started yet....looking how things are going I´d like to see a picture of the removed Browns-monument, as that may be another example of PR-guys saving his face  I just happen to NOT like two-faced guys...and reading reports from NY over the past years Mangini has all the makings of a two-faced guy, from taking (to start his career) and exposing the cheating in NE...jesus guys there were even reports that some coaches who worked for him hated him..that players didn´t like him was obvious on the field often enough esp. late last season....they needed 1 win to seal the POs against pretty crappy teams and the team had absolutely NO fire and passion whatsoever Why I don´t like him? Because I´m a diehard Brownsfan and I see this guy is ruining the young talent base of this team with his Nazi-styles...the next 2-3 seasons are crucial and esp. THIS offseason is (QB decisions, Winslow and Edwards decisions, add Rogers now)....again remember: I expect him to get us to at least .500 THIS season...if he doesn´t accomplish that in his 1st year with an easy schedule, we better fire him on the spot...he IS however a horrible, horrible long term solution for this team....he IS a very smart footbal guy and is full of himself because of it and thinks that´s ALL what matters being a HC...he is WRONG...he lacks communication and motivational skills and guys like that don´t last long
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It's interesting to read these stories, wonder how much is true and how much is something that Roger's next door neighbor's cousin heard from the housekeeper who barely speaks English...
Oh well, wouldn't be surprised to see Rogers leave after a Pro Bowl year. The Browns are very much that 'rebound girl' - you're down and out and just need another chance... Come here, if you fail, no biggie b/c everyone expected you too. But if you can pull off the comeback... wow, you would look incredible.
Then it's just a matter of figuring out how to get out of Cleveland as soon as humanly possible.
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Mangini was fired for a reason that was NOT related to football..he was fired because of his:
horrible interpersonal skills
lack of leadership qualities
lack of charisma
sheer coldness of stature
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Mangini was fired in NY for the same reasons Savage was fired here...lack of interpersonal skills, getting along with others, and producing a conductive positive environment
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I guess I can see where you're coming from. I just take the approach that until we see the product on the field, there's no way to say if hiring him was the right or wrong choice.
I'm not "defending" him, I'm just saying that the most important thing for this organization is to win football games. He hasn't coached for us, so I'm just going to take a "wait and see" approach.
I have no problem with people who may think he isn't the right guy for the job, but to have people who just rip the guy apart and just go straight to the doomsday approach when he hasn't even had a draft, let alone gone through a season with us, is kind of annoying.
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Not that your credibility hasn't been crushed many times in the past but, that one takes the cake. I can certainly understand people being wary of Mangini, we don't know much about him. I think we need a bit of a hard ass around here as the soft approach has gotten us nowhere. Obviously, you can go too far with that and hopefully he doesn't. I won't fault those who are optimistic or those who have questions. But you guys with the out of control, bordering on contempt, negativity about this guy are making yourselves look very silly. And frankly, any criticisms you might have going forward, even if they are indeed valid, are going to fall on deaf ears due to your looking wacky this early on.
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If Shaun Rogers is being a "Big Baby" then so be it. This is a guy that has had issues in Detroit and now in his 2nd season with us he has them again. This is a guy that will cry no matter where he goes. We need hard nose football players here not whiners.
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Not that your credibility hasn't been crushed many times in the past but, that one takes the cake.
I can certainly understand people being wary of Mangini, we don't know much about him. I think we need a bit of a hard ass around here as the soft approach has gotten us nowhere. Obviously, you can go too far with that and hopefully he doesn't.
I won't fault those who are optimistic or those who have questions. But you guys with the out of control, bordering on contempt, negativity about this guy are making yourselves look very silly. And frankly, any criticisms you might have going forward, even if they are indeed valid, are going to fall on deaf ears due to you're looking wacky this early on.
You mean corporate CEO's of software companies and venture capitalists don't know anything about football????? Really????
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Now that´s a great argument...with that way of thinking we could hire a donut as HC and take the "wait and see" approach
I just do NOT want to go through another 3-4 years of poorly coached und managed Browns football...that´s why you have to make good decisions BEFORE you hit the field...that´s where everything starts...as you can imagine I think Mangini was another poor decision by Lerner
You know why everyone IN the NFL hated him for revealing the cheating? Because everyone knew he had an edge WITH it (and would ruin his career if he opened his mouth then...he pretty much MADE himself a career with it) and then had an edge when he revealed the tricks of his master...I´m not a Bellichick fan...but I can feel why he hated him and didn´t even want to shake his hand after games...that´s as scabby and egocentric as it gets
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Why I don´t like him? Because I´m a diehard Brownsfan and I see this guy is ruining the young talent base of this team with his Nazi-styles..
WOW you must have really hated Paul Brown 
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Quite frankly, what proof do you have that Mangini is going to lose us games this year?
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If Shaun Rogers is being a "Big Baby" then so be it. This is a guy that has had issues in Detroit and now in his 2nd season with us he has them again. This is a guy that will cry no matter where he goes. We need hard nose football players here not whiners.
I don't see this as Rogers crying. It'll all get sorted out when football starts.
Rogers played football like Paul Brown intended it to be played last year. I fully expected him to lay down and quit about halfway through the miserable season and he just kept bringing it. I suspect that maybe the guy really likes his job.
He's after money, mostly. I don't blame him a bit for that. Add to that the fact that Mangini, by many accounts, has a "distant" relationship with his players and you can see where this is going. If he did do a meeting with Rogers then every other guy on the team would have asked for an audience to plead his own miserable case, too. In a league where players make tons of money and coaches get the heat I can see where Mangini is looking to maintain his place in the pecking order. Nothing cures problems like this but winning.
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What proof do you have that a golfball or donut as HC would lose us games this year? See..the logic is flawed, that´s the problem of experience, you can´t be sure it will go on 100% even if you´re pretty sure...hope that makes sense
and again I EXPECT an overachieving 1st year HC year, just like everywhere else (think RAC´s 1st year here with much less talent, ATL, MIA, BAL last season)...if not we better fire him after this season
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Well, then why is it safe for you to jump all over the guy and essentially suggest that he's going to fail if it isn't safe for me to say "wait and see"?
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I guess I can see where you're coming from. I just take the approach that until we see the product on the field, there's no way to say if hiring him was the right or wrong choice.
All the complaints about Rac not being a coach..and being too buddy-buddy with the vets are gone..
I saw the flaw in that..even though I liked him..
What we're seeing so far appears to be the opposite..no taking things easy..no favorites..and yes Mangini has a ego..
What I want to see is a disciplined team..the drama/soap opera crap stopped..and stopped now..
I'm sick of it..but I don't need to see the other extreme either, where the coach alienates the players ..and this has little to do with Rodgers..
He needs to show who's the boss but not who's the dictator..
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Opinion is always riskier than fence sitting...and I never stated anything else: my opinion backed by links and reports...It may get across as fact because I´m stating my opinion pretty strongly but that´s not my problem, it´s still opinion for me...by definiton a FACT can´t become a FACT before the FACT actually happened...what your doing is what a golfball does in relation to a football board, fence sitting...which is pretty useless for this forum. It´s ok to do it...but I have to laugh at posts like that because they have the same "opinion" as a golfball near a fence, it´s like posting "Im not here" time and time again...by your definiton everyone who can click on nfl.com->standings is up to date with Browns football...after the fact discussions are pretty annoying if the purpose of them isn´t the next upcoming fact At least I´m sticking my neck out there and yes as always, I´d love to be wrong...too bad that history of predictions is on my side though...in 2007 I predicted how we are gonna fail the POs after week 11or12 dispite going 10-6 and you´re welcome to go back to Diam´s predictions thread for 2008...I´m really frightened by myself
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There's a big difference between having an opinion and going off half-cocked on some witch hunt, which I stated earlier. Guess which side you fall on.
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No doubt......but I still think this is motivated by the Albert Haynesworth sweepstakes as much as anything else.
What the heck did Rogers want to talk about in this meeting he supposedly requested??
The guy needs to grow up.
He has a man sized body yet his mind seems to be stuck in the 9th grade.
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I don't disagree with you about Haynesworth..
Dude U and I know from everything we've seen in sports, a player isn't throwing down a contract because Boss snuffed him twiced..if anything they get ticked and request a meeting..which he did..and then they go from there..
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What the heck did Rogers want to talk about in this meeting he supposedly requested??
This is funny...1st the apologists questioned why Rogers didn´t approach Mangini...and now that he has it´s like "wtf does he want?"
Talk maybe? Getting this straightened out? Apparently Mangini is busier playing hardball than "reaching out"
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