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Despite playing all last season at his required weight -- which was listed at 350 -- Rogers was told by the Browns not to bother showing up for the offseason program on March 16th unless he was at a prescribed weight.
Perhaps our new coach wants him at 250...we don't know at this point. But, you certainly give a guy more than two weeks to do it.
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We'll have a better defense just because it can't get much worse than it was... and the team will survive without him, but it chafes the living hell out of me because we FINALLY got a legitimate piece to our DLine and what do we do with it? We run it right back out of town.
To be fair, it seems that Rogers is running himself out of town. But yes, I agree, I would much rather have Rogers on this team than off of it.
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Hampton had an established track record of coming in grossly overweight and unable to participate at even a mediocre level.
Rogers has no such track record. U might wanna check the Lions board about that.. 
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Are you saying that Rogers would have nothing to do with being run out of town?
Are you saying that two snubs and a weight mandate are legitimate reasons to want out?
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Why, what did the Lions fans see about what he did HERE?
On that note, Rogers has absolutely no say in where we trade him... I say we ship him right back to Detroit for the 1st overall.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Oh well, trade him. If we can get a high 2nd, it's a wash in my opinion. Bye Mr. Sensitive*. *I say that because he's acting like a baby. Sure, Mangini and the FO might have "pushed" the situation. However, it's all within their right to ask a player to come in under a certain weight (regardless of previous play). We all don't like when a new boss tells us new rules or tries to show they're "the new boss around the office".........doesn't mean you can cry and want to quit. Deal with it. Quote:
On that note, Rogers has absolutely no say in where we trade him... I say we ship him right back to Detroit for the 1st overall.
Rogers had a good year....but not that good. We'd be lucky to get a 1st and probably only land a mid-2nd.
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I'm talking about when he played for them..I have seen links to articles about him having weight problems..that was documented when the trade was made and the second big question regarding him..thats why so much was made about Rac monitoring his weight...they didn't want him ballooning up past 370 ..
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Are you saying that Rogers would have nothing to do with being run out of town?
Are you saying that two snubs and a weight mandate are legitimate reasons to want out?
Absolutley not, on both counts... nothing happens in a vacuum and nothing is ever one sided.
What I do know is that we are most likely only get half-stories right now, but for something like this to blow up this big this quick... there is definitley something rotten in Denmark on BOTH sides of the aisle. Rogers is absolutely being petty as hell, but there is no way that you can convince me that Mangini couldn't and shouldn't have done things differently as well.
If I'm gonna pick a side in this, though, until enough information comes out to say that I shouldn't, I'm gonna side with Rogers because he is more valuable and harder to replace than Mangini.
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Would anyone be shocked that if 24 hours from now, both DA and Rogers are gone?
I wouldn't.
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And RAC & Co. also made very pointed statements that the right number for him was whatever number he could play at. I don't recall them EVER saying any specific weight, ever.
They said that they had numbers in mind, but if he came in at something else and could play... then he could play.
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do what your boss tells you to do or quit....seems like he took the easy way out...i say trade him and rebuild thru the draft...we need too much to put up with BS like this.
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Whatever the reason or whoever s fault this is, to me the only way that Shaun Rogers has a chance of playing somewhere else this year is if he agrees to pay back part of his signing bonus. Until he does that, he should be happy with his over 6 million he cleared after taxes last year and do what he agreed to do when he signed on the dotted line.
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I understand your sentiments, Tubby, but there's a piece of me that still believes that old addage: 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.' With our existing depth problems and small number of draft picks, we're looking at a longer rebuilding process than any of us thought after the '07 season.
My first priority if I were Mangini, would be to smooth over this situation with Rogers and do what I could to keep him on the roster.
A healthy happy Shaun Rogers is a major force, as we saw last year. He's a proven commodity that we already have... anyone we get in the draft will be a gamble, at best.
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That style of management won the Super Bowl. Remember how not letting Hampton come to training camp until he lost weight was going to submarine the Steelers season?
Hampton had an established track record of coming in grossly overweight and unable to participate at even a mediocre level.
Rogers has no such track record.
Purp... on one hand you say leave Rogers alone because of the success he had last season... then the other you say the Steelers are OK to control Hampton because he's fat....
WELL... Hampton has 4 pro bowls under his belt that prove he too has been pretty successful, so shouldn't the Steelers leave the fat boy alone too?? OR leave him alone cause he's successful? 
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Rogers is miffed not just about being snubbed by Mangini on two occasions, but also by a directive he received from an unknown club official regarding the offseason weight program.
Despite playing all last season at his required weight -- which was listed at 350 -- Rogers was told by the Browns not to bother showing up for the offseason program on March 16th unless he was at a prescribed weight.
Sure sounds like somebody doesn't want to follow Eric's program 
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"Mangini either fixes this or I'm going to start up a campaign to have his ass replaced before the draft"
Why? Just where did Mangini make a mistake?
Not cowtowing to Rogers at his Command.
" The club knew that there was a sense of urgency on Rogers' part, but failed to respond until he asked to be released."
So its Rogers' way or the highway. And you think he's in his right?
Its not like Mangini wasn't occupied or anything.
So when Mangini heard the words..."Released" he realized he was dealing with a big BABY and needed to attend to this guy and give him his Pacifier.
Yeah ok...that would be the way to go.
Look he had a pro-bowl season and he's a hot commodity right behind Haynesworth and he just signed a Long term contract with us that looks like a Bargain now that Haynesworth is blazing a new path of Riches.
Yeah that has nothing to do with this. Mangini didn't say HI first... its not that he did acknowledge Rogers cause Rogers came up to Mangini and Mangini walked by. Its because Mangini didn't take note where he was and that he was in a distance where they could have gone out of their ways and made contact. Mangini was just too involved with things to take notice...But Rogers sure took notice and yet he never made an attempt to go say hi to the new coach.
Yeah Mangini first heard about this and didn't do anything about it. Rogers was on his way to Hawaii and Mangini left word for Rogers to speak with Jenkins.
This has nothing to do with Mangini and everything to do with Rogers. Hopefully you meant Campaigning to have Rogers ASS Replaced before the draft...not Mangini cause this is ALL ON ROGERS.
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And RAC & Co. also made very pointed statements that the right number for him was whatever number he could play at. I don't recall them EVER saying any specific weight, ever.
They said that they had numbers in mind, but if he came in at something else and could play... then he could play.
The weight was 360.
Mangini wants Rogers at 350...Kris Jenkins' weight last season.
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PPE, do you think Tomlin was wrong in telling Casey Hampton that he was going to be inactive, or whatever he told him, because of his weight?
I´m sure he told Hampton face to face...sending out weight "mandates" to your best D-player without introducing yourself...unreal. This is so bad, it isn´t even worth commenting.....your 1st comment towards a player via mandate....this is rock bottom folks
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Mangini wants Rogers at 350...
Where does it say this?
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As this thread gets longer and longer ; I have to ask those Dawgs who bring up Rogers & Detroit ." Are you serious " Can you really blame any player of being unhappy or wanting out of Detroit ????? Talk about extreme and lame reasoning !
Rogers left in all on the field his " First " season here ... That my friends is all I care about as a fan ... If and when Mangini performs ( as a Coach ) in the same manner I will give him my full support ..
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As this thread gets longer and longer ; I have to ask those Dawgs who bring up Rogers & Detroit ." Are you serious " Can you really blame any player of being unhappy or wanting out of Detroit ????? Talk about extreme and lame reasoning !
The rest of the NFL might be saying the same thing now with him wanting out of Cleveland.
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As this thread gets longer and longer ; I have to ask those Dawgs who bring up Rogers & Detroit ." Are you serious " Can you really blame any player of being unhappy or wanting out of Detroit ????? Talk about extreme and lame reasoning !
Rogers left in all on the field his " First " season here ... That my friends is all I care about as a fan ... If and when Mangini performs ( as a Coach ) in the same manner I will give him my full support ..
So I guess you can't blame him for wanting out of Cleveland. It isn't like we have been so much better than Detroit
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Mangini wants Rogers at 350...
Where does it say this?
It doesn't, but your earlier example of 250 is a bit out of reach....though i know you and that was to be used as an example.
I trust the team isn't asking him to get to some unattainable weight.
I would suspect it was the same as last year or maybe 10 lbs lighter.
The flip side is maybe he is ticked because he is 380 and is looking for a way to stay away until he gets to the weight needed without being told to go home.
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I've tried to stay out of this thread because most people on here have had a love affair going with Mangini since day one. Personally, nearly everything that he's done since his first presser smells, to me, like a guy who just aches to be Bill Belichick but doesn't have the chops for it.
I think he's almost totally botched this Rogers thing. And I'm with you, purp, I'll be highly pissed if he runs Rogers out of town. And don't think that potential free agents don't notice crap like this. If he was gonna play hard-ass at least he could have waited for a week or so of the FA period to pass.
I should also mention that when this came up on the NFL channel on Sirius this afternoon Pat Kirwan (might have been Tim Ryan - not positive) pretty much said that Mangini is sorely lacking in interpersonal skills. So apparently we have hired the equivalent of Butch Davis with less personality. Sheesh.....
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Personally, nearly everything that he's done since his first presser smells, to me, like a guy who just aches to be Bill Belichick but doesn't have the chops for it.
The guy hasn't coached one game as a Browns HC and already he doesn't have the chops to be belichick? How did you arrive at that?
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It's called an opinion. And that one is mine. I get a bad feeling about the guy. Just exactly what has he done in NYC or here to make you feel that I'm wrong?
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I just wanted to point out reading comprehension. And, you're right, I pulled out a number. I would never think Rogers should be 250 pounds. If anyone needs to lose more than 10 pounds in two weeks, I hope the they got notice of this long before today.
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I"m happy the Browns will be playing in Cleveland the upcoming season, and I'm looking forward to some exciting additions on draft day. This labor and management stuff is nothing of my business.
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Well.. since this is all Opinions R Us.. the sense I get is that EM may well be a bull in a china shop without much idea of how to treat people.
I don't know this to be fact because I wasn't there and I could well be wrong. At present time my opinion is very close to Purp and Otto's.
I will say this, I am sick and tired of this organization shooting themselves in the foot and I am now holding Randy Lerner responsible for the team. If he cannot hire the right people in the right places then I think he needs to sell the team to someone that can. I am tired of failure. Lerner needs to succeed and do it this year. Pissing off a pro bowl caliber lineman that was arguably your best player the past season is NOT the smart thing to do.
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That's just it, Michelle. ALL players are told well beforehand what weight they are expected to be at to come in. This is done by every coach in the league. The difference here isn't Mangini or someone from the FO advising Rogers of that....it's Rogers reaction to it. This isn't even the first time it's happened with the Browns. There have been MANY players throughout the league that have been fined hefty (pardon the pun) amounts for being overweight. This is nothing new.
Sadly, it is twisted into being Mangini's fault. It is stated he is a tyrant and doesn't know how to interact with players....in direct defiance of the media reports, things former players have said privately, and things former players not with the Jets has stated.
So many on here that are bashing Mangini for having the same rules for everybody were the same posters bashing RAC for not disciplining the players. It's almost surreal to see this. I have read posts from posters I respect that says that there should be a double standard because a player had a good year last year. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team?
I also don't get why this is a bad thing for FAs. If a FA doesn't want to go to a team where ALL players are held to the same standard, then they shouldn't be on the Browns team. They can go play in Cincy or Oakland. That kind of mentality never leads to winning organizations.
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I completely agree Coach..I have a feeling this will all be put to rest once Mangini and Ryan meet with Rogers during the first mini camp next month.
Also, if Rogers lost some weight he would dominate that much more and probably extend his career.
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Personally, nearly everything that he's done since his first presser smells, to me, like a guy who just aches to be Bill Belichick but doesn't have the chops for it.
Yep,..and we should run him out of town just like we did Belicheck.
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"then they shouldn't be on the Browns team. They can go play in Cincy or Oakland. That kind of mentality never leads to winning organizations. "
Actually,both of those teams finished better than we.
Sorry,but "the Browns" and "winning organizations" should never be grouped together.There's just no correlation between the two.
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Really, and why is that. One season people are screaming it's a lack of discipline and before the next season starts, it's because we aren't playing favorites for the "best" player on the team and bending the rules for him. How do you know that Mangini isn't bringing a winning the Browns a winning team? He hasn't signed ONE FA, hasn't drafted ONE player, hasn't held ONE practice, hasn't had ONE OTA, and hasn't even had ONE training session with the team, but some of you have proclaimed his coaching career in Cleveland a failure. People that have decided this, and have since the PC announcing him to be honest, and intelligent football discussion shouldn't never be grouped together, as there is no correlation there either, but you see them do it all the time.
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I semi agree with you. Yes, every player is told what weight to show up at. Now knowing Mr. Rogers, he is NO WHERE NEAR 350 right now and is scared he is not going to make it. There should be no double standard for any player on this team and really, Mangini is trying to set a certain "tone" right now. Yet Manigini has to know that Rogers was probably they most consistent Brown last year.
But I also believe that Mangini should have spoken or called most of this team already. No leader, coach, supervisor who is effective meets with as many of his staff and players, to let them know what is expected of them when now that he is in charge. Sending mandates out without talking to players, or any subordinates just breeds contempt.
And BTW - where is our fearless owner on this??? He should have had this cleared up in 5 minutes in his office 3 days ago BEFORE it got out of hand!!! The problem starts from above!!!
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Oh, one more thing. "Actually", NEITHER of those teams finished better than the team MAGNINI coached or that COKE was involved in the FO of....but hey, let's say they suck anyway because...well, just because.
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that there should be a double standard because a player had a good year last year. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team?
hmmmm ..... it could be interprated a few different ways .... I think I'll go with its a motivational message .... that if u play good U too can have "special rules" ... 
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More and more reading the pure football forum is like reading a political thread in the tailgate. Everyone has a rigid opinion and picks and chooses the data that supports their claim and dismisses the data that does not.
Which is exactly why, even though I read this board every day, I've seldom posted since December. This place has become a mad house of inflexible opinions based on a severe lack of any viable information. How people can draw such strong, non-wavering conclusions on so little information is beyond my comprehension. As well as the picking and choosing of data you mention I'll add to that the twisting of said data to fit agandas.
On topic: The way to handle a big ego, and keep other big egos from asserting themselves, is to not give it credence by kowtowing to it. Rogers is a player. He cannot be permitted to make himself bigger than the team regardless of how needed he is and how well he plays.
Setting weight limits on linemen is common across the league. Mangini's alleged refusal to meet with Rogers individually, and I say alleged because anything written by a sportswriter is alleged until proven, is keeping within his schedule of meeting with the players as a team and as indivivuals just like he stated long ago as being his plan.
Not Rogers nor anyone else should get special consideration enough, especially for such trivial reasons, for the coach to deviate from his plan. He has a lot to do right now and as has been astutely pointed out by Diam, he is behind and chasing the deadlines to get it all done. Allowing Rogers, or any other player, to interfere with those goals would be wrong and detrimental to the Browns.
This board, since the end of our season, has turned every sentence of information into a widly debated drama marked by some of the most pointed criticisms and opinionated agendas I've ever seen. And I don't even care to hear anyone's explanation of why that is. Mature, level-headed adults acting like this has no valid reason. This is a perfect example of how the fanbase, as a whole, has their collective heads up their collective asses and lack the common sense and maturity to discuss sports.
This board used to be much better than that.
Of course there have been big issues that get debated, argued and tossed about. But since the end of the season, if someone in the organinzation farts, then there are strong, pointed opinions on how loud it must have been and what it must have smelled like.
For the sake of humanity and the Cleveland Browns, lighten up.
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I just wanted to point out reading comprehension. And, you're right, I pulled out a number. I would never think Rogers should be 250 pounds.
If anyone needs to lose more than 10 pounds in two weeks, I hope the they got notice of this long before today.
I agree.
As i said in my earlier post, let's say Rogers has gotten heavier...say 20 lbs and is 370 right now, which I guess....no...I know isn't impossible  .
If he gets a letter saying be at 350 or don't show up...he has a problem if he all of a sudden has to drop 20 lbs in 2-3 weeks. He may have been viewing the off season program as his way to drop the weight. So that leaves him in a position where he doesn't show up because the Browns tell him he can't, or he can all of a sudden find problems giving him a reason why he won't show up.
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