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I have to ask,, what did you all like or dislike about the speech.. but more importantly, what did you like or dislike about his priorities. The Economy Healthcare Education Here is where you can find the entire speech and some stories on it from the PD... http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/02/upbeat_obama_says_us_will_revi.htmlPersonally, I gave it a seven out of 10 for style. Can't deny it, the man can speechify! I was glad to finally hear someone in power say "we will rebuild, we will recover... American will emerge stronger than before". Probably more feel good than anything.. The best thing I heard all night was the Republican response. Bobby Jingle (sp) said things that make me believe that both Dem and Reps what the same exact things.. They have different ideas on how to accomplish those things,, but they want the same things. To me that seemed very clear. So, what makes me hopeful is that knowledge or belief that they both want the same things... with that, its only a matter of time, some wrangling and talking, in order to find a path to those "good things" that both sides can live with. One thing for sure,, if all they are going to do is play politics.. we aren't gonna achieve a damn thing. Time for that is over... time for both sides to roll up thier sleeves and get to work. JMO
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After last night, the GOP has to be in search of their next face, as Jindal tanked so badly that FOX ripped him to pieces.
As for Obama...about what I expected to hear. Nothing new. No revelations.
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I think Obama's speech was what we all expected. I think Jindal's speech was pretty sterile too. I didn't really hear any surprises from either side.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I felt it/they (Obama and Jindal) said what their handlers wanted them to say based on what they thought the citizens wanted to hear.
In other words, they were both campaigning.
Today? It will be back to the status quo.
What they say means very little to me. What they do speaks volumes, i.e. Barack wanting a fiscally responsible gov't. a few days after a nearly $1 trillion spending bill passes.
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See above. Why do tax payers have to send every college student to school?
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THE FOCUS By Neal Boortz @ February 25, 2009 9:27 AM It seemed that the focus of Obama speech last night was to convey the message that all of the economic problems faced by this country were created by evil banks and criminal CEOs "disappearing on private jets." This was classic leftist populism. Us vs. them. The ordinary people engaged in mortal combat with the monsters of capitalism --- and government is here to save you. This was an "America is great because of government" speech ... and the message was that more government we have the greater America will be. Obama has his finger on the pulse of the people. People want more government. They want the government to provide them with the basic necessities of life. The age of self-reliance is waning - the age of government dependency is on the rise. When this country first began to flourish historians and social scientists took note. They traveled from Europe to the United States to witness this miracle first hand. They studied what was working and what was not .. and they put their thoughts on paper. Its really too bad some of those writings aren't explored in today's government schools - but I can understand why that is so. There seemed to be one universal warning that was sounded by many of these scholars: Once the American people figure out they can use the ballot box to reach into someone else's pocket .. we're screwed. Well, the American people have figured that out ... and Obama is their champion. The question now is how do you manage to take a population that is dependent on their ability to use the government as an instrument of plunder to want to once again stand on their own two feet? http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html
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That's what I wonder, too. Can we? And, when did people lose the desire to take care of themselves?
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And, when did people lose the desire to take care of themselves?
In many cases it began when they found out they didn't have to take care of themselves. It's easier to let the other person work and then collect your free ride. It disgusts me, but that's the way it is. It's a sense of entitlement. Instead of getting what you deserve, you get what you want. Many people in government do this to keep the masses happy. You know, the masses that will vote them back in.
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That's what I wonder, too. Can we? And, when did people lose the desire to take care of themselves?
When they found out it was easier to pop out 4-5 kids to get more free stuff in the way of food stamps, increased welfare checks, health benefits, free housing.
It's easier to go to your mailbox on the 1st of the month than it is to get up and go to work 5-6 days a week.
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Exactly. So the question remains...how do we get people to WANT to stand on their own two feet?
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After last night, the GOP has to be in search of their next face, as Jindal tanked so badly that FOX ripped him to pieces.
Sorry Phil, this is pathetic and points to one of the biggest problems we have in politics... So the guy gave a dry speech, the content wasn't all that bad but his delivery was awful so he's out, he's done. He'll never be a good politician... Sorry but on every level that's PATHETIC...
If we are so superficial that one 10 minute rebuttal, in which the content isn't even all that bad can doom a guys political career, then hell let's just do away with elections all together and we can find our national leaders through an American Idol format...  Since we are half way there already.
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A friend of mine was walking out to his car to go to work one morning, his neighbor was on his deck drinking coffe(he is on welfare) Yell'ed glad to see you going to pay for my rent...He got so mad he went back inside and called off.  
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You must not have a problem with it....you voted for more of it. 
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He sounded like a 3rd grader in a school play.
For better or worse, no, you cannot succeed as a prominent politician in today's climate with those kind of oratory skills. I mean Bush couldn't speak worth a lick, but at least he sold his conviction. Jindal may as well have been reading from the phone book.
Maybe he'll get more polished down the line...he's clearly a bright guy....but there's no doubt that a lot of people who had a lot of hope riding on him are pulling at their hair today.
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For better or worse, no, you cannot succeed as a prominent politician in today's climate with those kind of oratory skills.
I think it's clear that when polish is valued over substance that is for the worse... not the better. Which is why I made, and stand by, my comment about electing our officials via American Idol...
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I think it's clear that when polish is valued over substance that is for the worse... not the better. Which is why I made, and stand by, my comment about electing our officials via American Idol...
And you are not the only one that feels that way. But, sadly, we're in the minority I believe. Too many people vote for the guy that speaks well, even if what he says is bad.
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That's why I said for better or worse... Beyond that...when's the last time any politician said anything of substance? 
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sadly, we're in the minority I believe. Too many people vote for the guy that speaks well, even if what he says is bad.
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See above. Why do tax payers have to send every college student to school?
A 2500 yearly tax credit isn't "sending every college student to school" Michelle. Not to mention, it isn't going to the student more than likely unless they're paying for school, it's going to the parents. And it's only been increased from two to four time availability.
Personally, I think one of the best things this country can do is support better education, both at the k-12 and college level. It takes a few decades to start paying off, but it's like having two birds in a bush vs. one in hand, it's an investment in America's future. Allowing a better education for our children can really keep the USA as an important figure in the world, and help us transition to an economy based not on industry, there's no way we can compete with the likes of india, china, etc when it comes to cheap labor, to one based off of others things that will be important in the future, like energy production or medicine.
I dont necessarily agree with Obama on some things, but I do agree with him education. It's possibly the most important thing when it comes to supporting our future as Americans.
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I think Obama is a con man. He's good at spinning and twisting things to make them sound like a rose garden. When he does this, people that aren't, um, paying attention miss the thorns. And there were plenty last night.
How a collective group of millions of people can be so damned stupid is simply beyond me. I'm glad I'm not one of them. If I felt I wouldn't be shot in a drive by, I would get a bumper sticker that says "Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Socialism".
Of course, so many people think it's a GOOD thing they wouldn't understand the message.
Ugh, I quit.
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It's possibly the most important thing when it comes to supporting our future as Americans.
I want to support MY kids through college, not everyone else's. Sorry, I don't buy in to socialistic views.
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I see a lot of people not agreeing with some of the sentiments of last night, which is to be expected.
I'd just like to ask, what did you like about what our president had to say last night? Is there something that sticks our in your mind that made you nod your head in agreement?
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The only thing I agree with him about is that we need change.
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I want to support MY kids through college, not everyone else's. Sorry, I don't buy in to socialistic views.
Try living here! the worst state in the nation when it come to education. The children here are sooo far behind it is just .......!
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Try living here! the worst state in the nation when it come to education. The children here are sooo far behind it is just .......!
Oh, that's no problem. I'm surprised the politicians haven't figured it out. They just need more money.
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Eh, the biggest problem with education in this country is parents, IMO. We can pour trillions of dollars into the schools and it will do absolutely nothing if parents don't do some homework, too. It's the entitlement age, remember. "I shouldn't have to work with my kids at home -- that's what school is for."
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It is just this state!...We make so much from the casino's
But nothing goes into the school system. They have actualey cut cost on education! and the teacher's make little!
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That's what I wonder, too. Can we? And, when did people lose the desire to take care of themselves?
Um....do you know what was done after the great depression to bring us out of the hole? lot of gov prgs were created(social security, food stamps etc) right now the economy being where it's at we NEED the gov to step in and do something....believe it or not we really are STILL going down...we need to stop that.....
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Eh, the biggest problem with education in this country is parents, IMO. We can pour trillions of dollars into the schools and it will do absolutely nothing if parents don't do some homework, too. It's the entitlement age, remember. "I shouldn't have to work with my kids at home -- that's what school is for."
I see what you are saying, and I tend to agree, But when the school's have more children then teacher's for them, and crowded room's how doe's the child that is strugleing have a chance?
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Um....do you know what was done after the great depression to bring us out of the hole? lot of gov prgs were created(social security, food stamps etc) right now the economy being where it's at we NEED the gov to step in and do something....believe it or not we really are STILL going down...we need to stop that.....
LMAO, this is the type of ignorance that has gotten us where we are. What FDR did during the great depression is a lot of the reason we are snowballing toward socialism. He actually prolonged the depression with the things he did.
This kind of blind following and not understanding history is exactly why we are in the mess we are in.
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Um....do you know what was done after the great depression to bring us out of the hole? lot of gov prgs were created(social security, food stamps etc) right now the economy being where it's at we NEED the gov to step in and do something....believe it or not we really are STILL going down...we need to stop that.....
LMAO, this is the type of ignorance that has gotten us where we are. What FDR did during the great depression is a lot of the reason we are snowballing toward socialism. He actually prolonged the depression with the things he did.
This kind of blind following and not understanding history is exactly why we are in the mess we are in.
Exactly. Government programs didn't get us out of the hole ... it kept us in one for over a decade. World War II is what got us out of the depression, because Americans finally had to band together, work hard, and fight for one common purpose.
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Yes and no. Yes, if you mean people that drop out of school and flounder around, not working, living off the gov't.
But no, if those people go out and become productive members of our society. We need plumbers, and electricians, and people working on the factory floors, and truck drivers, etc etc. Those are productive jobs that do not require college degrees.
It's a touch more difficult now, but here in my small little backwoods community there are 3 businesses, started by men that quit school after 8th grade. They worked at various jobs for a while......long story short, the worlds largest producer of RTA furniture is here. One of the worlds biggest producers of scaffolding and personnel lifts is here. (although, after the founder died in 1987, his son took it over, ran if for about 7 years, and then sold it to a german company), and the third guy started what became one of the nations largest farm equipment auctions.
Were they just lucky?
Education is great for those that are going into fields that need it, but unfortunately, many spend money on college and never finish, or end up doing something where the degree they got has no effect.
People need to be able to read, write, and do basic math for any job, of course. But college is over rated really, in many situations. If everyone got a 4 yr. degree, would our country be any better off?
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Yeah, I knew that, but he's not from my little podunk backwards ass hillbilly redneck hilljack town. 
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So am I And I guess I do alright? Am I rich? No! but I can do think's alot of my friend's cant, like going to game's and race's at the drop of a hat. Had I continued my education would I be any better? maybe! But its a little too late for that.
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Yeah, I knew that, but he's not from my little podunk backwards ass hillbilly redneck hilljack town.
Read Jack Kent Cooke's bio... 
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Yeah, I knew that, but he's not from my little podunk backwards ass hillbilly redneck hilljack town.
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Its not ignorance...
I agree with you that FDR prgs were supposed to be temp...but when he put them in place that was his intention as well....the problem is that we keept them around for so long and we became too depended on it...and we are right back where we started....THIS time however, we need to use them as they were supposed to be used...TEMPORARILY!
If the GOV does nothing(like bush for the past 3-4 years) that WAS his approach. Then we are going to hit rock bottom(yes we have not hit rock bottom yet) and i'm not so sure we can afford that.
Obama might not be doing everything that you or i agree with, but he has my vote of confidence on gettin us out of this mess.
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