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Alright!
Now the Pats are going to infuse a tough team with even more young talent. Something Phil should have let happen last year.
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lame. now they won't draft QB. take a tackle chefs!
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just about to say, there goes Aaron Curry. Unless they traded their first, which i really doubt
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I figured this would happen when Pioli became the Chiefs GM.
Makes sense for KC and Cassel will pay bigger dividends right away compared to drafting a QB this year, so this is probably win win for both teams.
I am starting to think that were gonna keep both DA and Quinn this year the teams who need QB's are getting them. I can accept this if it happens, most teams would love to have 2 solid QB's on thier roster and we might have that with DA and Quinn, and if hey can work together and accept their role they are given or earn (better word) then we could have a nice 1-2 punch for a year.
I am interested in seeing the terms of this deal, Sage was a 4th rounder does that make Cassel a 2nd or 3rd, or a combo package of some sort?
These two guys can give us a good idea on what one of our QB's price tag is.
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Wasnt Cassell franchised by N.E? If so it might of been KCs first. Right?
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lame. now they won't draft QB. take a tackle chefs!
Let's hope you are right and they take a tackle.
This hurts our chances of getting Curry; but perhaps we use our newly acquired 2nd to trade up for him. ??? Not saying to do it, just saying.
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Why some of you peg a guy to draft so early is beyond me.  Some of you sound a if Curry is some sort of football god and we cannot succeed without drafting him. Nonsense. It's the end of February and some of you who already have this wish of drfting a certain player now, is just setting themselves up for the fall, it is to early to base our draft around one guy. I find it silly that some of you are so enamored with one player that when a team makes a move it effects your thnking to the point that you think it's so terrible for the Browns, when in reality you have no idea if this player was a target anyways. If Curry was as good as some of you think, he would be drafted 1st, but just like with all draft picks he has some downside or concerns, open your minds and look at other options this draft isn't about the Cleveland Currys.
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It's being reported that the Chiefs still own the 3rd pick.
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So the price is basically been set for DA or BQ in a 3rd round pick.
It's just a matter of finding a team or deciding on who we want to keep.
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i dont want a QB or a LT.
i didn't say curry, although hes on the top of my list. you sound like a trade-down kind of guy. this has become less likely in my eyes since bradford stayed in school, crab broke his foot, and A. smith got wierd.
i think raji, brown or jenkins would be good choices at 5 as well, it's pretty likely one of those guys is still there.
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nfl.com is saying they are trying to send vrabel over there too.
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Why some of you peg a guy to draft so early is beyond me.
Some of you sound a if Curry is some sort of football god and we cannot succeed without drafting him. Nonsense. It's the end of February and some of you who already have this wish of drfting a certain player now, is just setting themselves up for the fall, it is to early to base our draft around one guy.
I find it silly that some of you are so enamored with one player that when a team makes a move it effects your thnking to the point that you think it's so terrible for the Browns, when in reality you have no idea if this player was a target anyways.
If Curry was as good as some of you think, he would be drafted 1st, but just like with all draft picks he has some downside or concerns, open your minds and look at other options this draft isn't about the Cleveland Currys.
Don't misunderstand that my choice for Curry is as if he is the one and only. The choice of Curry or any player is for the range we are picking, if we had the 25 pick and not number 5 it would be a different player, because Curry would be gone by pick 25. I've watched a lot of Wake Forest games this year and even have game film of several of their games and he is that good. For pick number 5 he is within our pick as it pertains to the other players available. Plus he fits a need, which is a bonus.
I haven't rested all my hopes and dreams on getting him, but he is #1 on my list, however just because he is #1 with me or one team, doesn't mean he is #1 with another, so he could still be there, and this move hurts our chances in the world of perception, none of us know 100% what KC is going to do, or what NE would do with the 3rd pick (if that is what they get for the trade).
On the trade, NFL Network and Adam Shefter are now reporting that a THIRD team has jumped into the fray and that the trade to KC has been agreed upon, it is by no means final and this third team MAY end up with Cassell. However they didn't think that was too likely.
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On the trade, NFL Network and Adam Shefter are now reporting that a THIRD team has jumped into the fray and that the trade to KC has been agreed upon, it is by no means final and this third team MAY end up with Cassell. However they didn't think that was too likely.
its the knicks. they will get cassel and trade him and vrabel for LBJ and a new arena.
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It's sounding like the Chiefs still own the #3 pick. My guess is the Chiefs will either go Crabtree or Curry now. They have no need for a tackle when they already have Branden Albert.
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Bad move by the Patriots IMO. What happens if they find out Brady won't be ready to start the season?
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Bad move by the Patriots IMO. What happens if they find out Brady won't be ready to start the season?
They must be confident Brady will be fine, or they wouldn't have made the deal.
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Bad move by the Patriots IMO. What happens if they find out Brady won't be ready to start the season?
Given Belichicks propensity for always finding depth, I'd say he has found or thinks he's found his back up to Brady should that happen.
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NBCSports.com per NFL Network is reporting that the compensation is the #34 pick overall and that is it. NE gets #34, KC gets Cassell and Vrable.
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Didn't Bellichik go 11-5 with Vinney Testeverde here in Cleveland? Come on, Cassel was a one year deal, he only did well because Bellichik, is so skilled at setting up plays to get players open, and teaching offensive line pass protection.
Cassel will again be average at best in KC, and Bellichik could find a CFL player and get above average results.
In my opinion Kansas City just got schooled, at least it wasn't the Browns, this time.
Whatever happend to Bledsoe? Anything outside of New England?
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well they did draft o'connel or o'donnel or something in the 3rd in the last draft. if i remmeber correctly, cassel was even in danger of getting cut 3 games into the preseason. i'm sure they're very comfortable.
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Reports are the Bucs are trying to move in on the Cassel trade, meaning they're offering a 1st rounder. Or they tried to but New England said no.
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pretty smart move by the pats and belichick, cassel's stock will never be any higher.
he knows cassel is probably gonna have a down year now that the league has an entire full year of film on him.
i don't think he's that great.
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that is highway robbery for the chiefs. to get a player like casell, and only give up a 2nd rd pick is a great deal for them.that's like getting the 4th or 5th best quarterback in this years draft.
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in all seriousness, even i would've traded one of our 2nd rounders for cassel and vrabel. then ship either either/both DA and Quinn for 3rd rounders.
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that is highway robbery for the chiefs. to get a player like casell, and only give up a 2nd rd pick is a great deal for them.that's like getting the 4th or 5th best quarterback in this years draft.
yeah, but he won't have moss and welker to throw to. i don't think it'll be instant success, but maybe some time down the road they could have something.
but pioli understands how important it is to have a qb in this league. i know defense wins championships, but ya gotta have a qb, just ask pittsburgh.
so it could be good, i'm just not that high on cassel.
and could someone explain to me how it works that he's franchised, traded, but they don't give up the 1st and a third? can the pats sweeten the deal by not taking as much, which in turn is really doing a favor for cassel?
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Why some of you peg a guy to draft so early is beyond me.
Some of you sound a if Curry is some sort of football god and we cannot succeed without drafting him. Nonsense. It's the end of February and some of you who already have this wish of drfting a certain player now, is just setting themselves up for the fall, it is to early to base our draft around one guy.
I find it silly that some of you are so enamored with one player that when a team makes a move it effects your thnking to the point that you think it's so terrible for the Browns, when in reality you have no idea if this player was a target anyways.
If Curry was as good as some of you think, he would be drafted 1st, but just like with all draft picks he has some downside or concerns, open your minds and look at other options this draft isn't about the Cleveland Currys.
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I'm not saying Cassel is going to be all-pro every year, but for what they gave up, compared to what they're getting is clearly in the chiefs favor. At 34 you're likely looking at drafting the 4th best qb in this years draft. I assume Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman would all be gone by then. at that point you're looking at Nate Davis and Pat white. With Cassel's experience, and 1 year last year, I believe Cassel has better odds at being a better qb than those guys. Plus he could play right away and stabalize the position.
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I think it works because he is franchised, and signed under contract.
The team, (Pats,) trades the player with contract to the Chiefs.
In another situation, the Pats, would franchise a player who doesn't have a contract, or wants a different contract. and the Pats would be keeping the rights from a free agent signing with another team by the player.
The player, if he went to the cheifs against the Pats will, the pats would get compensation, of some sort,... the 1st and 3rd you have in mind... and if the player doesn't want to sign with whoever his rights get traded to, or stay with, than that player gets the average of 3 highest in league at his position.
Since Cassel and the Pats had agreed to terms none of this is necessary.
This is how it makes sense to me, but in truth, I'm not sure and may very well be wrong.
I think, once Cassel signed, that it is like trading any regular non franchised player and the chiefs now have to pay the contract money pats signed him for.
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think ya nailed it. a friend of mine explained it to me that it basically only applies when a guy is still not signed.
so when he's signed, it doesn't apply. at least from what i got.
have the browns even franchised anybody since it became a thing?
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Mentioned in the Winslow thread yesterday that the Bucs, having resigned Bryant and obtaining Winslow would be after a QB. If Cassell is gone then Anderson is the logical next option?
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If Cassell is gone then Anderson is the logical next option?
I don't think so. Losman and Leftwich who are FA's would probably get a shot, beause TB already gave us their 2nd, and doubt they would give us basically their whole draft for DA and KWII, they really ain't worth it.
Right now I don't see a reasonable market for DA with KC and Minni getting QB's. I think right now we stand pat, and let things work themselves out. Trading DA shouldn't be a major priority, we can survive without moving one of them, esecially if we can't get crap for him, and right now it looks like we would want a 3rd at least with the trades that have taken place and don't see any takers right now. Injury or some other probem a team may have could change from now till then but we will have to see, but I wouldn't be surprised to see both QB's on the roster this upcoming season.
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I've never, not ever heard that... not once that I can remember.
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I've never, not ever heard that... not once that I can remember.
So, you are saying that you have not heard that?
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That's what I'm saying.. never heard it reported that KW hates DA
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Reports are the Bucs are trying to move in on the Cassel trade, meaning they're offering a 1st rounder. Or they tried to but New England said no.
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If we wanted to ship out DA, it seems there are some places inquiring about QBs.
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Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports Denver Broncos QB Jay Cutler is a bit upset that the Broncos were fielding calls - from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Detroit Lions - about trading for him. The Broncos say they did not initiate the calls, they simply received them.
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I'd trade Quinn for Cutler, easily. Cutler's a monster.
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