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Cutler a no-show By Lindsay H. Jones of the Denver Post reports Jay Cutler did not attend the first day of the Broncos' offseason program this morning, according to a source close to the Broncos' quarterback. Cutler and his agent, James "Bus" Cook, have formally requested that the Broncos trade him, and made it clear Sunday he would not attend the meeting and voluntary workouts this week. But Broncos coach Josh McDaniels told The Denver Post Sunday night that he wants to talk to Cutler further before considering a trade. http://blog.theredzone.org/ViewItem.asp?Entry=544
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In a guarantee for THOSE five in the draft and Cutler goes somewhere else ??? I would do it in a heartbeat---EXCEPT for the fact that Anderson would then be your starter. For me, that alone is a no deal. (No blasting intended.) 
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Fair enough...it's not for everyone. I would do it in a heartbeat myself. This would be a learning year and can't imagine anything above 6-7 wins..Next year is a deep QB draft and there will not be too many teams that need QB's. I for one would like McCoy if Anderson didn't pan out, but many of the pieces would be in place around him such as Ryan in Atlanta to be more succesfull. Our team would be packed with high quality youth, and a great foundation in place for any QB to come in and be a success. And if Anderson did pan out, we are even that much better off. JMHO
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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I loved the "go-get-the-youth-in-the-Draft" buildup though,....
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Why would anyone want Cutler after this cry-fest? What in the hell has he accomplished that makes him elite or special?? Brandon Marshall is an elite WR that would make anyone look decent.
Why does TO continually get signed with a new club after it's been proven time and time again that he's a horses patoot? And Cutler is no where near as bad as TO......yet!
as always, beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
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I'm old,,, thus old sayings 
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hehehe, me too!!!! Go Brownies!!!
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j/c Whereas I think Cutler is being a little too sensitive and maybe a little cry babyish...I think Daniels is being even worse. I mean Geez, we are flaming Mangini over the Shaun Rogers deal....This guy Daniels is being a REAL horses patoot ( to borrow Daman's expression.. ) Cutler needs to grow up and quit acting like a little kid and realize he is in a business....That is for sure...But Daniels...Geez...He basically just threw away his Pro Bowl QB. I mean, OK you have to be a hard ass to show who is boss. Thats fine...But that doesn't mean you have to alienate your Pro Bowl QB to do it. You don't have to coddle Cutler to make him feel needed on the team and that is what Cutler is really looking for...(well maybe Cutler wants preferential treatment that he won't get..but that is a different story) The point I am trying to make is while at first I felt Cutler was completely out of line....I think Daniels is acting far worse. I still think Cutler is over reacting...but I think Daniels is being the bigger idiot right now. Being a hard ass and laying down the law is one thing. Disrespecting and alienating your players whom you need a good working relationship with in order to succeed is somethign else altogether.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Cutler is not the Patriots type of Quarterback. He takes too many risks and wants to throw it down field too often.
McDaniels probably wants a quarterback who will follow the gameplan. A guy who will dink and dunk the ball most of the game, then throw a couple of deep balls if the defense allows it. Cutler is the opposite of that, as was Bledsoe.
If I was the Broncos, I call up the Lions and offer them Cutler for the #1, then draft Mark Sanchez.
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Agreed,...As many problems as the Lions have,...?? Drafting Cutler would only be an exacerbation,....
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the thing is, you can make all the excuses you want for mcdaniels but in the end, and this is something i've been saying from the beginning, the majority of fault lies on mcd for exaccerbating this problem. he could easily defuse the issue in multiple ways but instead, chose to make it worse.
this issue is an embarrassment and a huge distraction for their organization. cutler may come out of this looking like a crybaby but that's something he can easily recover from. mcdaniels? already going in 0 for 1. just because a qb doesn't fit the preferred mold doesn't mean mcd gets excused for his poor handling of this situation.
i'd also point that a trade of cutler for the #1 would be a terrible trade. no one really wants the #1. a better trade would be for detroit's 1st round, #20 pick, a 3rd rounder, and a 2nd rounder in 2010. something like that seems fair to both sides.
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j/c...I don't normally make predictions...but I'll make this one.
McDaniels - gets fired after the 2010 season...or possibly in the midst of the season 
I'm sort of happy we got Mangini more n more
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Anybody see the front page for ESPN? Cutler, Quinn, Anderson I hope to god that Mangini does NOT trade for Cutler. Cutler won't play for McDaniels. What makes them think that Cutler would love to play for Mangini? I hope that does not happen. Mangini had better NOT do anything. The Browns only stand to lose, lose, lose. Can't stand Cutler. Can't stand Denver. 
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cutler is a talent, straight up. i'd do quinn for cutler in a heartbeat. it's perfect fits. despite what everyone says about arm strength, there's something to be said about it in our division. you need a cannon arm to deal with the winds on the lake. look at the other qbs: palmer, flacco, roethlisberger. all cannon arms. not a coincidence. you guys upset we missed out on big ben? cutler is pretty similar. mobile with a big arm.
quinn fits what mcdaniels wants/needs and his arm will benefit from the altitude. trade quinn for cutler, then trade anderson for a 2nd/3rd and suddenly you have a proven qb, an additional day one pick, and most importantly, ONE QB FOR THE NEXT 10 years with no controversy.
given the magnitude of the bronco mess, we don't need need to throw rogers into the mix. win freakin win.
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i can see that. the guy is coming off as a huge ass and the funny part is, he seems to be doing his best bellichick impersonation and people here still rip mangini for trying to be like bill.
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cutler is a talent, straight up. i'd do quinn for cutler in a heartbeat. it's perfect fits. despite what everyone says about arm strength, there's something to be said about it in our division. you need a cannon arm to deal with the winds on the lake. look at the other qbs: palmer, flacco, roethlisberger. all cannon arms. not a coincidence. you guys upset we missed out on big ben? cutler is pretty similar. mobile with a big arm.
quinn fits what mcdaniels wants/needs and his arm will benefit from the altitude. trade quinn for cutler, then trade anderson for a 2nd/3rd and suddenly you have a proven qb, an additional day one pick, and most importantly, ONE QB FOR THE NEXT 10 years with no controversy.
given the magnitude of the bronco mess, we don't need need to throw rogers into the mix. win freakin win.
No controversy? Cutler is a walking controversy. He refuses to play for McDaniels. He and McDaniels were at odds as soon as Shanahan was fired. He wants Shanahan. Mangini is a New England coach with a similar mentality as McDaniels. Cutler loaths McDaniels and certainly would hate Mangini as well. Win freakin' win? How about whine freakin' whine? I'm not upset that we passed on Worthlessburger. I hate him. Cutler would be the biggest mistake Mangini could make on this team. I'm from Colorado I see and know the baggage that comes with Cutler.
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man, you're spewing a personal agenda that not many people on this board is going to buy.
don't misunderstand me. i said no QB controversy. as in, no divided fanbase as to which qb should be playing.
you can hate on any qb if you really wanted to. i'd pick cutler over rivers. rivers is a jackass. difference is, they're both great qbs and that's all you need. he can whine as much as he wants as long as he's winning and frankly, before this fiasco, of which i'm certain mcd is driving due to his stubborness, i've never seen cutler as a whiner.
how do you ASSume that cutler would hate mangini? mangini has no problem committing to a qb that he doesn't even like! hell, he scrapped his plans last minute last season to accomodate a similar player in brett favre. if anything, cutler would be ecstatic. gmafb.
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man, you're spewing a personal agenda that not many people on this board is going to buy.
I am tired of losing. Yea, but I am also tired of being teased by Bronco fans. Just what the Browns need, a Broncos QB coming to Cleveland to "save the day". Think of how much they will eat it up. Us giving away Brady Quinn, heck. I went out myself and bought a Quinn jersey right after he was drafted. Excited as all heck about him. Remember how much we traded for him? That was a lot. Just to trade up to take him and then to ... trade him to Denver for their malcontent? What did Cutler have in Denver? What was Shanahan's fortee? He was an "offensive genius". He had Rod Smith and Brandon Marshall. One old talent, but quite a talent, and then a young talent in Marshall. Then this year, Eddie Royal sure looked good. Cutler may have a big arm, but so does Anderson. How far did Anderson's arm get us? How far did Cutler get Denver? He win a Super Bowl? He win a playoff game? No. Nothing but disappointing year for the Broncos after disappointing year. You may get excited about him - I don't. I am not excited about him. I am excited about Quinn because what can Quinn do when he isn't hurt? He looked fine against Denver. But against the Bills and Houston he played hurt. I want the QB controversies to be done with. Why not trade Anderson? Maybe a three way trade with Denver if you are so insistant on Denver. Some other team gets Cutler, Denver gets Anderson, we get draft picks.
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excuses. the rest of us BROWNS fans, could care less where our players come from. who gives a crap if those players even came from the steelers, ravens, or bengals? hell, steinbach came in to save the day. do you hear us complaining about bengals fans who said a bengal came in to save the day? give it a rest.
all of your arguments are weak at best. cutler has a big arm and so does DA so that must mean cutler sucks? yea, let's say the same about palmer/flacco/roethlisberger's arms. that's numerous playoffs, afc championships, and two superbowls between those three throwing arms. your agenda is you hate cutler because of broncos fans and you want to stick with quinn. guess what. mangini has no obligation and if he can get us a proven qb like cutler, that's a win.
why not trade anderson? we will. after we trade quinn to denver for cutler. win freakin win.
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How funny would it be?
Mangini gets two veteran QB's with big arms that he didn't want.
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There's some sound football analysis. 
My most angry moment as a fan post-return was when I saw on ESPN that we signed Garcia. It erased any hope of Butch taking Ben.
Then again, it was wishful thinking anyway, as Butch ran the 'I want Winslow' flag up the pole to see for the world.
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Tough Decisions in C-town. Cutler for Quinn. I'd hope that the Browns would press for DA and a pick to trade but ... I'm glad I dont have to make the decision.
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You really make a point of that don't you. Go out of your way to make it "us" vs "them.
So, since I'm from Colorado I'm somehow "less" of a Browns fan because I don't want Cutler under any circumstances?
You live in California, bub. Pot, meet kettle.
In your analysis of Roethlisberger, Palmer, and Flacco you forget that those "two superbowls", AFC Championships is only 1/3 of those players you mentioned and if you throw Cutler in that mix (which you seem more than happy to do) that makes it only a quarter of the players. Cutler has never won an AFC Championship. Never won a Superbowl. Heck, never even won a playoff game. All that success you quickly put in the same sentence with Cutler is something that Cutler has never experienced.
The entire time Cutler has been with Denver has been playoff miss after playoff miss. At the end of the day, what is the difference between Cutler and the motley crew of QB's we've had these last three years? None. All of them have sat on their butts at home watching other players win in the playoffs, championship games, and Super Bowls.
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Only one team can win the super bowl at a time...
Cutler had a GREAT 1st half of a season last year... He was unstoppable... Then their defense broke down....
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Cutler had a GREAT 1st half of a season last year... He was unstoppable... Then their defense broke down....
Don't forget his convenient turnovers, especially against San Diego.
Remember, Cutler's fumbles? Is that the defenses fault as well? His Interceptions? Defense as well?
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my comment had NOTHING to do with location. here's a clue - instead of worrying about bronco fans making fun of you...make fun of THEM for being the browncos! actually, AFC championships were TWO of the THREE. how much football do you actually follow? being in colorado, you'd think you'd know something about the broncos. the fact that you don't realize their defense was worse than OURS, said something. if they had an average defense, they'd easily be in the playoffs. hell, the AFCW was represented by an 8-8 team after the division was practically handed to the broncos! the diff between cutler and the other crew of qbs? because he didn't play a playoff game? are you serious? ok, well then by your argument, marino should NEVER have been a hall of famer because he never won a super bowl. i mean, afterall, football isn't a team sport at all! not like...boxing is. PLEASE. 
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my comment had NOTHING to do with location.
here's a clue - instead of worrying about bronco fans making fun of you...make fun of THEM for being the browncos!
actually, AFC championships were TWO of the THREE. how much football do you actually follow?
being in colorado, you'd think you'd know something about the broncos. the fact that you don't realize their defense was worse than OURS, said something. if they had an average defense, they'd easily be in the playoffs. hell, the AFCW was represented by an 8-8 team after the division was practically handed to the broncos!
the diff between cutler and the other crew of qbs? because he didn't play a playoff game? are you serious? ok, well then by your argument, marino should NEVER have been a hall of famer because he never won a super bowl. i mean, afterall, football isn't a team sport at all! not like...boxing is. PLEASE.
When did Palmer, Flacco, or Cutler win an AFC Championship game? Playing in an AFC Championship game is not "putting it under your belt". Belt = Champions. You won. Not you lost, they do not give out trophies to the losers.
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Egghead Clayton is claiming we have the best shot at landing Cutler if the Bronco's trade him. Clayton - Per ESPN
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Well, for all our sakes, if he does become a Brown better hope he is a young "Favre". But I won't hold my breath because he's already convinced me of quite the opposite.
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Ok first of all Palmer, Flacco, and Big Ben only play one game a year by the lake. Their arm strength and ability to throw hard in bad winds in Cleveland was not the reason they were drafted.
Second of all, when was the last time a proven successful QB in Cleveland had a really strong arm? I don't recall Vinny T having a cannon, and everyone here knows Bernie wasn't known for his arm. I'm not old enough to be able to remember Sipe, Ryan, or Otto but my guess is they weren't either.
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quinn fits what mcdaniels wants/needs and his arm will benefit from the altitude.
Benefit from the altitude?? The most successful QB to ever think about wearing a Denver uniform had an absolute rocket for an arm. Elway was known to break fingers he threw the ball so hard.
Quinn and Tom Brady are not even close to the same QB. Tom is a lot like Kurt Warner, IMHO. He's a good-great timing QB that's smart and throws a good to great deep ball. BQ is a very smart QB that's real accurate on the short to intermediate stuff and throws an average to above average deep ball.
Cutler is a lot more like Tom Brady than BQ is. You can teach timing and decision making, you can't teach arm strength. Cutler does not fit the type of offense that EM wants to run here (a NE version of the WCO). Cutler would have fit a whole lot better in the offense that we ran here the last two years.
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id rather keep Quinn and DA then get a cry baby on the team. he showed his true colors with the way he handled this whole situation. of course they was going to listin to trade offers...Cutler drank his own kool-aid, and thinks he is above the team.
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Clayton - Per ESPN
Honestly, I have no interest in the guy. Not even for half of what that article hints at. A 1 and 3 this year and a 2 next? I hope to all that is Holy that we stay away from this guy.
The Donks have said they aren't interested in trading him for picks, that's the only reason we're being mentioned by the media. We have a QB to deal.
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I see a three way trade being worked out here in someway.
We end up giving DA to Denver to than shipps Cutler to team X in return we get a 2nd from denver and another 2nd or 3rd round from team X.
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I see a three way trade being worked out here in someway.
We end up giving DA to Denver to than shipps Cutler to team X in return we get a 2nd from denver and another 2nd or 3rd round from team X.
I could see something like that as well. But we would not get that extra second or third from the other team (Jets ?), Denver would.
Team X gets Cutler
Denver gets Anderson and a second or third
We get a second from either Denver or Team X (whichever is the lower pick), or maybe a third.
Something like that I think is more realistic................Maybe ????
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I could see something like that as well. But we would not get that extra second or third from the other team (Jets ?), Denver would.
Team X gets Cutler
Denver gets Anderson and a second or third
We get a second from either Denver or Team X (whichever is the lower pick), or maybe a third.
Something like that I think is more realistic................Maybe ??
Common man roll with me on this one...We need the picks
Your probebly right, seeing it it does make more since than mine, but I still like mine better.....
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OK, you convinced me.....I like yours better....
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Mangini gets two veteran QB's with big arms that he didn't want.
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Cutler is way better than DA...
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