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Define "competitive" ......
Webster's version? 
Competitive in the sense that when those players were on the field I didn't get a sense of dread that the other team knew to attack them offensively or defensively and we were going to be in trouble with their play (with a few exceptions - Cousins). Nor did I feel that if they had to play significant time in a game (due to injury or other) that our chance to win dropped significantly (the exception being QB play, when we had to go to option 3).
Savage gave us decent depth, botch didn't really do that, hopefully EM & GK continue to do that and build upon the core we have, improving it and the back-end players with the depth it takes to consistently win in this league.
To bring this back to topic, Poteat appears to be that depth, or 'back-end' type of player that can strengthen the roster, not only with veteran presence but his play on the field (even if it isn't 'shutdown', which it isn't by a long-shot) but competent and competitive.
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To bring this back to topic, Poteat appears to be that depth, or 'back-end' type of player that can strengthen the roster, not only with veteran presence but his play on the field (even if it isn't 'shutdown', which it isn't by a long-shot) but competent and competitive.
I remember people saying similar things about Cousins last year.
Poteat has never impressed me. Honestly, I'd have been happier if we resigned Travis Daniels.
And on an unrelated note...the term 'ManKok' really, really, really has to go.
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I never liked the Cousins' signing. Felt the same way about it as you do about Poteat. I think Hank has something left, not counting on him for years or every down, but one more, where as with Cousins I felt he had little to nothing left. I will say one thing positive for Cousins, apparently the entire defense was impressed with his knowledge in the film room, and he helped a lot in that aspect, just not as much on the field.
Also, agree with the term for both, it is rather inane. It has a negative ring to it and seems to delight many who want failure; because success (like change) possibly scares them.
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And your are one of the dozens on here who thought Phil Savage was a genius and great GM.
I see your reading comprehension rivals your eye for talent. First of all it would be "you're" not your (this drives me nuts). Secondly, I'd love for you to pull up one quote from anywhere on the entire Internet where I said Phil was a genius. Go ahead. I'll wait...........
Yeah, that's what I thought. You see, geniuses cure Cancer. Football GMs look at 40 times. Big difference in my mind and always has been. You will never hear me call anyone in football a genius. Next time, Bengal-boy, do a little research before you try a smack-down.
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From his days in Pittsburgh, I never thought Poteat was anything special.... I guess he's depth.... don't expect anything else from him.
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The only Steeler ridiculed as much as the Browns were the day after that wildcard game.
I can hear the Steeler fans in my office now, as plain as day:
"YOU GOT BEAT, HANK POTEAT!!!"
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I guess I'm not sure why people are so upset that we signed a guy that I have to think was purely a depth signing? I find it hard to believe that the coaching staff brought this guy in as the savior of our defensive backfield.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I'm not upset. That would mean giving this move more than a second's worth of thought.
It is what it is. Depth.
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yep, depth it is. Someone has to be the 4th or 5th DB. Hank isn't that bad in that role. He knows the system. He isn't going to be a disruptive force to the coach, which early on, is going to be really important if the losses start to mount. Winning fixes everything, but realistically there are going to be some bumps. The way it looks right now, the defense will never see the ball in the air because we have no linebackers to stop the run. Hank is the least of our problems.
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Poteat may not be all that, but he is a help in knowing what Mangini wants. Not lights out, but Cousins is out, MickeyD can help as nickel, and we actually have some veteran judgment who intercepts! Anybody know his run support? Welcome aboard! 
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And on an unrelated note...the term 'ManKok' really, really, really has to go.
I agree 100%.
Sorry, as a member of PFT Planet, I gotta keep using the nickname.
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No, no we don't.
Poteat has only 4 CAREER INT's in 9 seasons in the NFL... all of which came in the last two years.
All we accomplished was dumping Terry Cousins for a Terry Cousins that Mangini is familiar with.... and we may have actually downgraded from what Cousins brought to the table.
Browns is the Browns
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we may have actually downgraded from what Cousins brought to the table.
I didn't know that was even possible. 
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Same thing was said about Ralph Brown. You know, the guy who played in the Superbowl. That's not to say Ralph was good but he was good enough to get playing time on a defense that played in a Superbowl game.
Talking about how bad Poteat was in 2002 is laughable. That was a long time ago. He has had plenty of time to get better. I'm not about to claim that he was good last year. I'm not going to say he was bad last year either. I think most of you are completely full of it when you rate him. I seriously doubt most of you ever pay attention to what a nickle or dime back does for a team that we didn't even play against. I also remember hearing that he wasn't all that bad in New England.
He was brought here for one reason only IMO. That was for some veteran leadership and depth at the position. Apparently the powers that be have decided we didn't need to bring in a high priced DB. I'm left to speculate if we are going to try and upgrade Wright/McDonald early in the draft, or if we are going to go after other positions. My guess is CB will not be much of a priority.
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Diam...thank you I've been taking heat every now and then when I state whatever you think about Savage - I'll be forever beholding to him for finally getting us out of Expansion and giving us a foundation to build on!
Django...thanks for the info - I like Elam and didn't know he was a UDFA as I thought we would have to compensate and I knew we only had 4 picks at the time and we wouldn't make an offer.
The fact that he was tendered is evident the kid has game. I think a very good pick up for us and might have to go above and beyond the 2nd tier format we have been using so far.
On the signing of Poteat....good veteran BACK UP!!! some depth at CB one who could be gone after this season if everything goes well (meaning between draft n UDFA's we get some backup talent).
We just upgraded on Cousins. Thats all I was expecting from the FA market. If we want youngsters to compete for the starting position. It will have to come from the draft!
Big difference from Cousins to Poteat. The Bottom of our Barrel is getting their bar raised. As we find out sometimes you are only as good as your weakest link.
Well now that has become Poteat instead of Cousins.
Oh and crazOtto...I see another riveting football contribution to the board. lol 
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First of all let me state I have no probs at all with this signing ... this BUM will more than likely end up our 4th and hopefully our 5th CB ... U will have BUMS at that position ... I have a pretty good handle on this game we all chat about (well a few of us do anyhow ..what some of of U are talking about is foriegn to me .. *L*) and I can sit here and tell U that I have absolutely no clue if Hank is a major upgrade or a sligh upgrade or no upgrade at all to Cousins .. but even though Hank was a nickle or dime CB in NY last year .... some of u watched enough Jets football and somehow focused on Hank enough (cause I know his name was not called out very much if at all) to know he is this great signing and upgrade over Cousins .. Ya .. OK .. U all could be right .. but the FACT IS U prolly have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA ... my guess is most of U guys could not have even told me who Hank played for until U noticed him on some FA list this year ... your basing your opinion solely on how bad Cousins was .... well hows about we just wait and see how good Hank actually is before we start applauding Jeannie and Coke for building up the back end of our roster .. How many times u remember seeing hank on the field this year Ammo?? .. *LOL* .. Quote:
Thank you for basically backing up my point.
*LOL* ... how in the hell did i back up your point in any way, shape or form .. NOT EVEN CLOSE ...
he did a damm fine job of building up the back end of the roster as many have all ready pointed out .... U do realize he was only here for 4 years .. and the first year of that he SIGNED NO ONE .. WE HAD NO CAP SPACE TO SGIN ANYONE .. so he had to build an ENTIRE ROSTER in basically 3 years ... and your upset cause he didn't build up the back end .... Ya .. OK .. ,,,,,, would an apology help .. *LOL* ..
WOW ... sometimes U just need to keep your thoughts to yourself .... cause if u don't open it and express them, no one will know how foolish your thoughts really are ..
and dude .. I bet by the end of the year .. if Hank does play alot ... actually it will be right after Hank's first significant PT .. folks will be tearing up Coke for signing him .. *LOL* ..
I'm not quite sure who the hell U think we just signed .. but if hes forced into action were $CREWED .... these guys are 4th or 5th CB's for a reason .. and quite frankly there pretty much disposable parts that do not differ very much if at all from one to another ..
if and that is a BIG IF we upgraded the bottom of our roster at all .. its more than likely a VERY VERY VERY SLIGHT UPGRADE ...
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I'm just so pleased we are using what money and resources we have to upgrade to important parts of our team, backup TE, backup DE, 5th string CB. We could be wasting money by upgrading C, MLB, RB, CB, FS.
Kok is upgrading the very, very, backend of the roster, which wins games...atleast thats what I'm told...sometimes...
Seriously, the current bunch could sign Adam Sandler, cut Joe Thomas, trade Quinn, put Anderson as the QB of the future. And draft Malcom Jenkins in round one and most of this board would be skipping around talking about how great this is.
We signed a complete trash player, Poteat is a walking TD for the other team, that could prolly be beat out by an UDFA. Wake me when we improve something, anything on this team talent wise. We lost our most reliable offensive weapon for unknown players, and signed a run blocking TE to help a finesse OL. Hooray!
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And on an unrelated note...the term 'ManKok' really, really, really has to go.
I agree 100%.
Sorry, as a member of PFT Planet, I gotta keep using the nickname.
If you don't mind "media" types making fun of your team, then go ahead say it all you want.......I think it is disrespectful, and has no place on A CLEVELAND BROWNS board.
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I really do not like that term either...again started by our MEDIA hatred cause they (mangini n kokinis) decided to do their job and not these reporters job.
I think its rather immoral and not in the fact they are Browns and should be respected I think the meaning is pretty dirty one at that. And it wasn't just a coincidence.
JMHO thank you for mentioning it. I didn't really want to get into it but I be lying if I said it didn't irk me.
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thanks eo....
I'm not one to tell anyone how to talk, or what to say. I just think, as browns fans, we shouldn't encourage the nickname.
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Why don't you come up with an orginal thought and leave my one and only smart post alone?
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Not so thrilled with the Poteat signing, he was not on Oakland so the terminology and schemes will be different than the Jets. So saying he is familiar with the D is like saying Andra Davis knows Denvers D, because Josh McDanials was in New England when Romeo Crennel was there. He is strictly a loyal player that will try to get others to buy in...no better than Cousins. If Rob Ryan does use the Browns and Jets weak D base, this will be a long year. I hope I don't see Poteat anywhere other than Special teams, and injury depth or we are in trouble. JMHO
Word out of New Jersey is Browns are contemplating sending Quinn to Jets for Ferguson and two second rounders.....seems to be a lot of Quinn chatter out there....It seems to me EM is not sold on him and see his value more in bringing the pieces here to build this team the way he wants. This doesn't mean DA is his man...potentially there is something else in the works as far as draft or trades.
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Word out of New Jersey is Browns are contemplating sending Quinn to Jets for Ferguson and two second rounders.....
U know damn well u best come up with a link to whoever said that... 
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Why would we want D'Brick. He doesn't have the power to play RT.
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Word out of New Jersey is Browns are contemplating sending Quinn to Jets for Ferguson and two second rounders.....seems to be a lot of Quinn chatter out there....It seems to me EM is not sold on him and see his value more in bringing the pieces here to build this team the way he wants. This doesn't mean DA is his man...potentially there is something else in the works as far as draft or trades.
the difference between teh poteat signing and the ralph brown/terry cousin signings is that poteat played for EM last season. that means that EM shouhld know what poteat can and cannot do. we brough in cousin to be our nickel because we had no choice. this is still a better signing than cousin, not because cousin was just terrible, but because of the circumstances surrounding the signing.
as for the quinn chatter, and i've been saying this since the coke hire, coke is coming in with a great understanding of our qb situation. he was responsible for scouting opponents and we were in the same division. he knows how his draft team felt about DA and quinn. sure there were rumors that the ravens were going to take quinn and savage saved the day by swooping in but that was never confirmed and who knows, maybe the rumor started from our camps? point is, an outsider, with nothing to prove, came in and has an unbiased view of DA and quinn.
my off-topic personal take? at this point, it appears very easy to gameplan against either qb. take away the long ball against DA and blitz up the middle/take the short ball away from quinn. the biggest difference between the two, if i'm an unbiased coach, is that i want DA because he should 1) improve on the short balls (arguable on these forums) and more importantly, 2) if opponents take away DA's long ball, there is more room to run the ball than with quinn in and opponents are taking away his short ball by lining up at scrimmage.
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When monkeys fly out of my butt.
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When monkeys fly out of my butt.
If that did happen, say hello to Matthew Stafford or Mark Sanchez...
...No, that better not happen. If we trade Quinn, then we are going with DA. There is no reason draft another QB, when we have two have could be successful in the NFL.
you had a good run Hank.
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If that did happen, say hello to Matthew Stafford or Mark Sanchez...
I highly doubt it. Mangini isn't the type to take a QB high.
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...or Derek Anderson.
But I think if we were to draft a QB in the 1st round it would be Sanchez. He is more of a ball control type QB, while Stafford has a big arm and likes to throw it down field.
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I wouldn't take either very high. I'm not a huge fan of Stafford, but I'd take him over Sanchez.
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Word out of New Jersey is Browns are contemplating sending Quinn to Jets for Ferguson and two second rounders.....seems to be a lot of Quinn chatter out there....It seems to me EM is not sold on him and see his value more in bringing the pieces here to build this team the way he wants. This doesn't mean DA is his man...potentially there is something else in the works as far as draft or trades.
Well I heard that we're going to trade Quinn to the Vikings for Adrian Peterson, and they're going to kidnap Polamalu and also Demarcus Ware and force them to play for the Browns, too.
See, I can make things up, too.
The Jets giving up their franchise tackle as well as 2 more draft picks for an unproven QB makes about as much sense and is about as likely as the scenario I just made up.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I'm just saying, for the style of offense Mangini likes to run (I am assuming he likes to run the same type of offense as Belichick and Parcells) Sanchez fits better. He is more accurate and takes less chances than Stafford.
I don't want either of them. But if I had to choose I would take Sanchez.
This is a moot point though because Brady Quinn is not going to the Jets for Ferguson.
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Well the bonus will be paid on the 13th and then we'll have a better idea in the week following that what's really happening..
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Speaking of trades, i was on a Chiefs board yesterday and it was posted that a trade of BE and Rogers to KC for Larry Johnson, Tyler Thigpen and KC's 2nd rnd pick in 2010 was supposedly discussed on the NFL Network. Anybody else see this on the NFL Network? or is this something somebody over there made up?
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I will accept all apologies after it happens...I just know Quinn is being shopped and two people have been fired for leaking such news. Take it anyway you like it, but don't be mad at me. If Mangini trading up 11 spots for a CB instead of Quinn when you have Kellen Clemens and an injured Pennington doesn't tell you what he thinks of him and the fact that in two years he never legitamately claimed the starting spot and a friend and former Co-worker doimg the evaluation should say plenty. I'm not saying that particular scenario would happen, just letting you know that Quinn is being shopped...believe it or not. I think he will go to Detroit with Detroit taking Tackle first, but who knows. I personally like Rogers but I think he might be gone. This would open the door to send Quinn and Rogers with another pick from this year or next (whatever the comp. would be) to Detroit for the 20th and 33rd pick and we take Raji at #5 Wells at #20 with the #33, #36, #50 still to play with anyway they choose. I would take English and Chung then Max Unger or a CB.....but that's me. Back to Poteat................Don't forget about Holly as the #2 or 3 with a possible draft pick to fill it out.
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Who's been fired over the Quinn "leaks"?
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No one because they aren't leaks. In order for something to be leaked the team first has to have to have knowledge of it.
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