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I guess I don't see anywhere in that article that says people were fired for leaking news about Quinn.


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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/browns/home.htm

Some of the 18 front-office employees fired by the Browns since the end of last season were sacked for having loose lips and whispering too often to the media. Coach Eric Mangini believes the less information that gets out, the less opposing teams know about the Browns.

Mangini will be secretive about injuries to the point he won't reveal a player is undergoing surgery unless maybe, just maybe, the player is carted off the field and put on injured reserve.

The Browns' new head coach is being just as secretive about free agency. Through the first week, the only free agent signed by the Browns was tight end Robert Royal, formerly of the Bills.

Mangini is not revealing which players have visited the Browns. Word eventually leaks, but the Browns are not confirming the reports.

The secrecy has spawned baseless rumors. The wild one that spread around the country in the first week of free agency had the Browns trading quarterback Brady Quinn and nose tackle Shaun Rogers to the Broncos for Denver quarterback Jay Cutler.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels squashed the rumor of Cutler being traded to Cleveland or anywhere else. The story never had legs in the Browns training complex, but it kept fans buzzing. Last year the Browns played the Broncos. Cutler passed for 447 yards and three touchdowns. He might have thrown for 500 yards in a 34-30 Denver victory if not for three or four dropped passes.

Such a trade even with another team makes no sense from a Browns' standpoint. If the Browns traded Rogers they would have a hole the size of the Grand Canyon in the middle of their defensive line. If they traded for a starting quarterback they would have two, just as they do now with Quinn and Derek Anderson.

The reason the rumor seemed at all believable is Rogers last week reportedly asked to be traded because he felt slighted by Mangini and because the Browns were concerned about his weight, but the Browns were emphatic - and still are - Rogers is going nowhere.

As for trading Quinn, if a quarterback is to be traded the one expected to go is Anderson. He is due a guaranteed bonus of $5 million on March 13. If he is not traded before then it is unlikely the Browns would peddle him until the draft.

NOTES, QUOTES

—Coach Eric Mangini wants the locker room at the training complex expanded. The plan is to eliminate a player's lounge adjacent to the locker room. Lockers that were in the middle of the locker room, dividing the offense from the defense, will be eliminated.

—One player the Browns had in for a visit was cornerback Chris Carr from the Titans. Carr would be a candidate for a nickel or dime back, but he would also challenge Josh Cribbs as a punt returner. Relieving Cribbs of some special teams duties would keep him fresh to be a wide receiver. Mangini would like to use him as a receiver more than Romeo Crennel did.

—Crennel is rehabbing after recent hip replacement surgery. The door is not closed on Crennel working with the Browns in some capacity, but Crennel is also considering an opening with the Chiefs. Crennel's contract with the Browns ran through 2011.

—With Winslow traded, Steve Heiden recovering from knee surgery and Darnell Dinkins, a free agent, the Browns were down to Martin Rucker as their only healthy tight end under contract before signing Robert Royal in free agency. Rucker caught two passes last season.

QUOTE TO NOTE: "They've done a lot for this football team. They represent things we want to strive for. They're good people." — General Manager George Kokinis on Joe Jurevicius and Ryan Tucker.

STRATEGY AND PERSONNEL

The Browns have been moving slowly in free agency but they have been busy creating salary cap room.

Offensive lineman Ryan Tucker, due to make $3.25 million in 2009 before free agency began, agreed to contract restructuring that will reduce his salary to $850,000. Kellen Winslow's salary of $4.5 million is also off the Browns' payroll.

With the adjustments and adding back in amortized bonuses for both players, the Browns are at least $20 million under the salary cap. They were about $14.5 million under the cap before free agency began.

TEAM NEEDS/OFFSEASON STRATEGY

The Browns did not score an offensive touchdown in any of their last six games, yet in the first week of free agency they spent most of their time concentrating on defensive players. None was signed, but that is where the focus has been, primarily because the majority of their own free agents are on defense.

The fact the Browns did not make a big splash early in free agency is an indication General Manager George Kokinis and Coach Eric Mangini believe the Browns need rebuilding. If they thought they could be a playoff team in 2009 they would not have traded Kellen Winslow on the first day of free agency.

TEAM NEEDS

1. Outside linebacker: The Browns had 17 sacks in 2008, a drop-off of 11 from the year before. They have to find a way to generate a pass rush from the left side. They do not have a starting left outside linebacker. They have the fifth pick in the draft and could use it on Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry. If Curry is taken they could trade down or hold their breath until they pick fourth in the second round.

2. Strong safety: Their strong-side starter since 2005, Sean Jones, signed with the Giants. However, backup Mike Adams re-signed. The Browns will have to find a partner for free safety Brodney Pool in the draft if they do not think Adams is the long-term answer.

3. Running back: Jamal Lewis' production dropped by more than 300 yards in 2008 and he played in one more game than in 2007, but Coach Eric Mangini seems convinced Lewis can still be the feature back, judging by his inactivity early in free agency. The Browns do not have to spend a high pick on a running back, nor do they have to break the bank in free agency, but they better start grooming a replacement for Lewis soon.

MEDICAL WATCH: Tight end Steve Heiden is continuing his rehab from ACL and MCL surgery. ... Defensive end Corey Williams is recovering from arthroscopic shoulder surgery. ... Running back Jamal Lewis is rehabbing from arthroscopic ankle surgery.

FRANCHISE PLAYER: None.

TRANSITION PLAYER: None.

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS

—CB Travis Daniels made one tackle in 2008 and will not be re-signed.

—TE Darnell Dinkins might be re-signed as a backup because Steve Heiden is recovering from major knee surgery and Martin Rucker is unproven.

—OL Lennie Friedman missed all of 2008 with a shoulder injury, lost weight during his recovery and is unlikely to be re-signed.

—LB Kris Griffin has a long injury history and won't be back.

—CB Daven Holly is worth re-signing if the price is right. He is coming off major knee surgery and doesn't have much bargaining leverage.

—S Sean Jones has to be a priority to re-sign. He would get more recognition if he did not play in the same division as Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu.

—LB Willie McGinest is expected to retire.

—OL Seth McKinney is valuable as a backup but will not be re-signed unless the Browns get him for a bargain.

—LB Shantee Orr made four tackles from scrimmage and six on special teams. He will not be back.

—RB Jason Wright carried the ball only 23 times in 2008. He won't be back.

—OL Scott Young is unlikely to be back.

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS (not tendered)

—DE Chase Pittman (not tendered as ERFA).

RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS: None.

EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS FREE AGENTS: Unknown.

PLAYERS RE-SIGNED

—S Mike Adams: UFA; $4M/3 yrs, guarantees unknown.

—WR Syndric Steptoe: ERFA; terms unknown.

PLAYERS ACQUIRED

—TE Robert Royal: FA Bills; $10M/3 yrs, $3M guaranteed.

PLAYERS LOST

—CB Terry Cousin (released).

—LB Andra Davis: UFA Broncos; $5M/2 yrs, guarantees unknown.

—P Mike Dragosavich (released).

—QB Bruce Gradkowski (released).

—QB Ken Dorsey (released).

—LB Antwan Peek (released/failed physical).

—PK Jason Reda (released).

—TE Kellen Winslow (traded Buccaneers).

—OT Eric Young (failed physical).


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Who's been fired over the Quinn "leaks"?



Nobody.. Gini is leaking those himself to divert attention away from the DA deals he's discussing..


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I'm not sure how comfortable I am with the thought that Mangini is leaking.


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I am not one to jump on someone because they are a new poster. I have read through about 100 of your posts on the search feature to see if you have had anything credible to say. You claim to know people...just not any of the Browns people. In almost every football discussion you put down Quinn or defend DA. Two other players you mentioned as being awful were Shaffer and Wimbley.

Seems kinda odd that those were two players you used ina trade scenario.

I hope the refs delete all this trade nonsense since it has no link and you have zero credibility when it comes to knowing someone.


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Sorry Brady if I hurt your feelings! If you read my post I say that doesn't mean DA is the answer...maybe for now..but You are not Brady. Mangini is not sold on him. Several sources have conceded that I can't help your infatuation with yourself!


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Sorry Brady if I hurt your feelings! If you read my post I say that doesn't mean DA is the answer...maybe for now..but You are not Brady. Mangini is not sold on him. Several sources have conceded that I can't help your infatuation with yourself!




You cannot come up with one legit source that says Mangini wants to trade Quinn. I don't like to use the word hate, but I think you have a legit hate of Brady Quinn for no reason. You've called him Charlie Frye, made up some myth about how he has a worse arm than Frye and you are not open to debate that at all.

So, for the reasons I just listed, there is no reason to ever listen to you, nor believe that this is true. Come up with some evidence that Quinn is on the block/Mangini fired people because they leaked Quinn info, or stop spouting baseless lies.


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strong-side starter since 2005, Sean Jones, signed with the Giants





I thought jones went to the Eagles?


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That's the kind of research and editing these top notch guys do!


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Mangini is not sold on him.




Please tell us how you know this... There hasn't been one word.. NOT ONE word in the press or in an press conference that would indicate any dislike or like for either QB..

So, if you know this, then either you know someone within the browns or you are just making stuff up.

Which is it..


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He can't tell us if he works for the Browns because if he does then they would find out he's leaking information, then they would fire him.

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Not to say on way or the other .....

But there was no word that the Browns were going to trade Kellen Winslow either.




I'm not saying that Mangini is, or is not interested in dealing Quinn ..... but we also don't know for certain if he wants Quinn to be his QB. If he were to get a really exceptional offer for a guy he isn't sold on, I could easily see him moving him out. (and I would think that 2- 2nd rounders plus a player would be a pretty solid offer)

It just might be that Mangini comes to the onclusion that "his" QB isn't on this team right now ..... and that he needs to get as many pieces other than the QB while he can. That might necessitate a trade of one, or both, of the QBs. (although I think that both is considerably less than likely)


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QUIT FEEDING THE TROLLS!!!! ... .. and that means ALL OF U ...

all dude is looking ofr is attention and someone to argue with .... and u guys are FEEDING RIGHT INTO IT ..

my favorite part ...

1. 2 people have been fired within the org. for leaking that bQ is on the block ..

2. show us some proof ..

3. He gives a link of 18 people being laid off, fired ... funny aprt is .. THEY WERE ALL LET GO BEFORE THE BQ LEAKS STARTED ...

so how in the hell can any of them be fired for leaking on my boy ... *L* ...

Seriously .... U guys need to just ignore dude .. by replying ot him your giving him exactly what he wants ..

and I was scripting my response when U posted yours .. and i backed up what u said ...

ahh .. now i see .. thats the problem .. u don't wanna be aligned with a dolt like me ... OK .. got Ya .. *L* ...




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I'm not saying that Mangini is, or is not interested in dealing Quinn ..... but we also don't know for certain if he wants Quinn to be his QB.




Right,, we don't know, because nothing has been said as to which QB they prefer... NOT ONE WORD... which makes Loyal either someone that knows someone with the Browns, or he's making it up....


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3. He gives a link of 18 people being laid off, fired ... funny aprt is .. THEY WERE ALL LET GO BEFORE THE BQ LEAKS STARTED ...




I wish I could help you deal with it, it must be tearing you up inside. Never should have bought those Jerseys eh? Just get one that says Browns and you will be OK.

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SOMETHING TELLS ME BRADY QUINN IS NOT THE STARTER IN CLEVELAND … SORRY, MICKER…

I know things have been quiet on the shores of Lake Erie in terms of free agency, but the word I’m hearing is that Brady Quinn will have to win the job in Cleveland. Don’t be surprised if the Browns make a play for one of the quarterbacks in the draft. As they make over their facility, they might be making more changes with the roster. Quinn is too inconsistent with his accuracy, as is former starter Derek Anderson. The Browns might fit into the category of what John Madden used to refer to as “having a lot of something means you have nothing.”

(And the Micker I’m referring to is my son, who happens to be the biggest Brady Quinn fan in the world. This won’t make him happy.)

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/notes-from-lombardi-9/

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Hi, I don't know much about who you are or anything, but I would like to add something to the discussion. I read through this thread, and others, before going to see Dad at the hospital. I told him what you had said about Quinn being on the trading block and what the Jets were supposed to be offering. I also told him that you said that people were fired for leaking that BQ was available.

I don't know how much you know about my Dad, but he knows several people within the Browns. He knows players, FO people, and coaches. He has met many people over the years through his play in the NFL, his coaching career, and people that played for and around him that made it to the NFL. If you already know all this, forgive me for being redundant.

Anyway, Dad said that Quinn is not being shopped. That is not true at all. There have been inquiries to his availability, but that is it. He also said that those the front office would jump on a deal like you said is being reported in a heartbeat even if they were sold on Quinn. It's just too much to pass up if it were true and there are some good QBs coming out next year that would allow Anderson to keep the seat warm so to speak. However, he said that there's no truth to that.

He also said that no one was fired for leaking information about Quinn. The layoffs/firings occured because of a history of leaking information, not for information being leaked since the changes in coaches/FO. He said that he was told the only leak about not being sold on Quinn was an approved leak coming from the front office in order to make Anderson's price higher while seeking a trade. The serious negotiations, according to Dad, that he knows of from his friends, is for Alexander. There has been negotiations where a 2nd and 5th have been discussed for Alexander and the biggest holdup in the process is the roster bonus that is due. Once that is paid, Alexander will be moved unless there is a blockbuster, can't say no type of trade for Quinn.

He also said to say as always, take it for what it's worth if I posted the information.

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3 week old "news"??? C'mon dude.....

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Although we do appreciate what your father has to say,try not to get him riled up with the rumors and inunendo posted on here.I'm sure he doesn't need the agrevation right now.
Oh,and tell him to get well soon.


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He's not riled up, at least not about that. He's riled up that he's in the hospital and not at work

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I really hope you're not leaking too much there where someone could get in trouble. (not trying to worry you, I just know how these things can be pretty sensitive information)

But thanks for that bit of info as it is greatly appreciated. I'm gonna file that in the "when it happens, I'll be happy" department and take it from there.

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alexander? please tell me we are not going to trade a 2nd and 5th for shawn alexander


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He 's talking about Anderson...He gave out alittle more info than Coach does...hope Coach doesn't get to upset that he fed the animals alittle to much...

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He also said that no one was fired for leaking information about Quinn. The layoffs/firings occured because of a history of leaking information, not for information being leaked since the changes in coaches/FO. He said that he was told the only leak about not being sold on Quinn was an approved leak coming from the front office in order to make Anderson's price higher while seeking a trade. The serious negotiations, according to Dad, that he knows of from his friends, is for Alexander.




The kids young his dads in the hospital and he wrote down the wrong name....It should have been Anderson.

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Sorry, guys, it is Anderson. Too much on my mind and slipped.

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by replying ot him your giving him exactly what he wants ..

and I was scripting my response when U posted yours .. and i backed up what u said ...

ahh .. now i see .. thats the problem .. u don't wanna be aligned with a dolt like me ... OK .. got Ya .. *L* ...




Little slow tonight are you? I left you a little one in the draft forum.

I never really paid attention to loyaldawg so I wasn't about to jump on him until I new where he was coming from. All too often people are labeled lovers or haters when people don't even know who they are replying to. Kinda like Loyal saying I am Quinn... Apparently you knew him well because he is nothing but a troll. 100 posts and about 90 were nothing more then bashing Quinn.


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As for trading Quinn, if a quarterback is to be traded the one expected to go is Anderson. He is due a guaranteed bonus of $5 million on March 13. If he is not traded before then it is unlikely the Browns would peddle him until the draft.

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Yeah this really proves Quinn is being shopped
Your post should be deleted as rumor with no basis.


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OOOH..wow the troll response from the Dawgtalkers Posse. Means alot coming from a guy who refers to Quinn as his BOY and DA MAN...dolt..
Pretty unbiased aren't you? Anyone who talks about Quinn in a trade rumor is a troll and anyone who talks about DA is OK...Got it! I don't know if DA is the answer but he is lightyears better than Quinn at this point. Prove that wrong.. Quinn might be a good QB for someone someday...maybe here, but he is expendable, has proved Nada, and can be dealt to obtain the pieces Mangini needs to build this team. Sorry if I hurt your feelings...Coming back with the tough guy attitude telling everyone how they should think is childish. But then again you guys don't surprise me....after all you do have a infatuation with an unproven QB that couldn't beat out Anderson and is entering his third year. I could understand if he was playing behind Favre or Brees...but Derek Anderson a sixth round pick snatched up on waivers??? Sad...and by the way GO BROWNS! ... Dolt ....Troll ...*L*


Back to Poteat now ya hear! Depth.... Depth and Depth. No starting Caliber players yet.

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He also said that no one was fired for leaking information about Quinn. The layoffs/firings occured because of a histor¯ of leaking information, not for information being leaked since the changes in coaches/FO. He said that he was told the only leak about not being sold on Quinn was an approved leak coming from the front office in order to make Anderson's price higher while seeking a trade. The serious negotiations, according to Dad, that he knows of from his friends, is for Alexander.




The kids young his dads in the hospital and he wrote down the wrong name....It should have been Anderson.

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sorry but how do we know he's actually b's son? do some of you guys know them personally or something?

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OOOH..wow the troll response from the Dawgtalkers Posse. Means alot coming from a guy who refers to Quinn as his BOY and DA MAN...dolt..





Ironically, Pdawg doesn't really believe in Quinn that much.

You got called out and you cannot prove the rumor. Move on.


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It's pretty safe to say given how much info he's given. He's said enough to know he's not BSing.

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He is.

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Maybe you should change that to "Rear End" type of player! The Bucs are talking with Daven Holly (& will probably sign him IMO), so it looks like we are Stuck with "Toast"! JMHO Go Brownies!!!


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Some people post just to post. They have nothing of substance to contribute...

There is an old saying that goes something like this "It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and prove it." I'll root for the Browns QB even if it's a nobody playing the position. Quinn deserves a chance to prove himself. DA had his chance. Give it a rest.


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He is.




There you have it.

Coach Bs Son: Give your dad our best. And that is one of the best handles I've seen on here.

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Thanks for the help Ref....

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Coach B's Son: thanks for relaying the info. please pass on our well wishes!

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Hey J......, how are you doing but first and foremost how is your dad doing? Tell him I said high and will say a prayer for his quick return to good health

Hope you are kicking Butt at school at your LB position.

Just a note - after those firings occurred we have not heard of any "LEAKS" except as you say what we have indeed leaked out ourselves.

Anyway let me know more about your dad - Private message if need be. And if there is anything I can help with let me know...I like your dad. BTW - your speed program that you were doing in HS was from me.

Good luck.


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Since this has moved to a Mangini putting Quinn on the trade market thread, i thought Mangini has said that he could win with Quinn and brought in Daboll who runs an offense similiar to Weiss ran at Notre Dame.

The new regime seem to make moves that dont make sense in reagrds to the salary cap, like releasing Schaffer. Quinn doesnt make much money being selected at the 22nd pick in the first round. He has a great value as a backup even if he doesnt start. he will not be traded. Grad and Dorsey were released and there are too many holes to fill to trade Quinn then have to get 2 more QBs.

As for Poteat. he played on good defenses in p-burgh, Tampa, NE, and the Jets. Good for depth but you want your depth to play specail teams. Doeas anyone know if Hank can play specail teams. If he signed for cheap and can play specail teams then its not a bad signing with his experiance. I expect him to be a slight upgrade over cousins, but not much. The team still needs an upgrade at the position.

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