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I don't know if this requires a new thread or not. If you want to delete it Refs, go ahead. But I MUST ask this question of the football experts that we have in this message board:
With all this salary cap room that we've made with all the 'arguable' activities that the team has done lately, what is the next step?
The expers on this message board have admired all the moves, especially the ones like trading Winslow and cutting JJ. These experts are also wish that Edwards and DA should be traded also - which would essentially make us a team without any real WRs and one injury away from any real QB.
So what the hell are going to do with the extra salary cap room? Money not spent doesn't automatically get added to next year's cap. So please enlighten the people like me who are not favor of these moves!!
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The expers on this message board have admired all the moves, especially the ones like trading Winslow and cutting JJ.
I think the concensus is that those two moves will better the team in the long run. I contend that at least with the Winslow deal, it all depends who they get with the 2nd rounder.. That will tell the story.. But that's JMO..
What's next? Good question. We have new managment that doesn't seem inclined to speak to the press.. at least not in a meaningful way. So it's hard to tell what the plan it.
They seem to be going about getting picks and cap space in a rather methodical fashion so it's easy to assume they have a plan in mind.. Not that they owe me or you an explaination but still, I guess I'd like to know what it is..
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freeing up the cap could mean that they want to resign some of our players to long term contracts....or maybe they have trades lined up and want to be able to get anyone we trade for locked up into a long term contract....or they are building up the cap money to make a huge splash in the draft with blockbuster trades and picks? there are too many different ways to go right now, so i suppose we will have to wait and see
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these moves are not necessarily pure-salary cap driven. it's mainly addition by subtraction, except for the jurevicious move. i don't like the JJ cut but they must feel that he can't provide much on the field, especially since he said he was willing to take a steep cut. that must mean that they felt his roster spot could go to someone who, may not be better in every facet, but can provide something more on the field for 16 games.
that said, this move saves in salary cap not only this year but also future years, not to mention allows us to infuse young, healthy talent at a low price (2nd rounders are in the sweet spot for balance in talent and price).
what's next? look for a trade tomorrow or coming days. if a trade of one of our qbs doesn't happen, look for more qb controversy.
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what's next? look for a trade tomorrow or coming days. if a trade of one of our qbs doesn't happen, look for more qb controversy.
Yup, as soon as DA's bonus is paid, I would expect a few calls to and from Berea regarding his future.
Maybe I'm an idiot, I'm hoping to trade DA for a 3rd or an early 4th...and then sign a decent backup through free agency (Rex Grossman - notice I didn't say good....I said decent).
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"Money not spent doesn't automatically get added to next year's cap. So please enlighten the people like me who are not favor of these moves!!"
If you are not in favor of these moves...you better express yourself a lot better than that.
1. DA might not go anywhere. But for those who feel this is a good move (I am one) feel that he is a Backup QB and I'd love to have him here as one. But he wants to be a Starter (can't blame him for that) and has a bigger than norm contract for a backup. When the contract is up he will seek starter status in FA.
2. KW2 has nothing to do with WR position. Whatever was lacking is still there with or without KW2. If you cannot see the positives in trading KW2 that is a tough one. What more can be said when we are talking about a kid who is playing on ONE LEG. A kid who will work hard to make the games but because of the knee cannot practice. A kid who doesn't take the classroom serious and learn the formations and plays. A kid who with 3 years left on his contract started playing a "THE TEAM TREATS HIM LIKE DIRT" and I want a new contract game. We got good value - exactly (and if conditional 5th rounder) or more than what Shockey brought the Giants.
It has been proven that our offense could run very well without KW2. The Giant also for that matter regarding Shockey.
Cutting JJ??? was that done? I missed that and I'm sure I'll get to it as I scroll down. If that is the case this probably should go in the restructurering thread where Tucker did...and guess what didn't get cut. We were asking JJ to do the same. If we cut him obviously it was a decision that JJ thought was correct to do.
Right? Wrong? I'm not quite sure how much JJ was going to be able to bring to the table....considering he just had multiple surgeries on his knee.
Cap room...well If you spend big in FA we all know you are going to overpay. But it also has ramifications on future years cap. I think we have the option to make a move or two of guys who didn't get starting money and might want to do a "SHOW ME" one year contract...But I think it was wise not to go for the big Impact FA unless it involves Peppers. The only one that I would want us to go after but it would cost probably what we get in compensation for DA (if its a 2nd rounder). or more.
But we have to look for the future. The Pats took praise in their building years on them picking up 2nd tier guys and not overspending much in FA. I don't mind taking the same approach and building through the draft.
KW2 becoming dead weight for us and possibly we would have gotten less for him the longer we waited. JJ...a shame cause he's been a good team leader. But it is a business and a guy at the tail end of his career often is the reminder of this.
I like what we have done...and I hope after all this typing that the refs didn't delete your thread. 
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The expers on this message board have admired all the moves, especially the ones like trading Winslow and cutting JJ. These experts are also wish that Edwards and DA should be traded also - which would essentially make us a team without any real WRs and one injury away from any real QB.
So what the hell are going to do with the extra salary cap room? Money not spent doesn't automatically get added to next year's cap. So please enlighten the people like me who are not favor of these moves!!
Well, me personally...I liked the K2 deal, only for health concerns...but I think it will hurt BQ's development just cause he was a great saftey net for him.....I really disagree with the release of JJ....especially in keeping Stallworth...just doesn't make sense to me at all........Mangini INC. has made at least 3 boneheaded moves thus far....IMO .....them being.....
1. Either sign Sean Jones or somebody to fill his shoes prior to him being signed by someone else...that did nothing more than create another void that we now have to fill. Not that Jones was a GREAT player, but he was better than what we have now....I think if this was the plan...then they could have tried for Gibril Wilson....
2. This was the dumbest one IMO.....not try for Lito Sheppard....how in gods name do you let a potential pro-bowl DB go for a 4th or 5th round pick and not try to get him....I know I don't know for sure that we didn't, but if we were in the running, you would think that we would have saw or heard it somewhere....
3. And finally...release JJ....so now we have Braylon Edwards as our WR....no K2, no JJ....and Cribbs, Stallworth, Steptoe to play everything else...hhhmmmmm...so bascially what we done this offseason is go from needing mostly "D"...(LB's, DL, DB)....to now not only needing that, but needing a saftey, and a#2 WR, #3 WR...
I'm with you on what they could possibly be doing.....I read the Sporting News this morning, and there was an article in there that was an Interview with BQ about how Mangini is shopping him in a trade.....I don't know if he is trying to play some sort of draft day game to make people think we might draft one of the QB's or what, but talking about being dumb.....!!!!!
IMO, of what they could be doing....I'm thinking (hoping more than anything....  ...) that on draft day we make this blockbuster trade with DA or BQ and Stallworth and gain a whole bunch of picks.....god knows we need them....and still sign ken Lucas and maybe a Torry Holt or Marvin Harrison just for vet min......and load it full of incentives...ya never know...
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i don't know, i'd refuse to take less than a 3rd. a 4th? that's what minni paid for sage rosenfels. DA is worth more than that. maybe a 3 and a 5 or a 3 and a conditional 2010 pick...but i'd rather take a 2nd and a 4th for quinn 
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i don't like the JJ cut but they must feel that he can't provide much on the field, especially since he said he was willing to take a steep cut
Did I miss something,, where was it said that he was willing to take a steep cut?.. I must have missed that?
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if a trade of one of our qbs doesn't happen, look for more qb controversy
Why? There wasn't a QB contoversy last year... except in the minds of the fans...I don't remember thier being much in the way of infighting on the team.. I don't remember one player standing up and saying,, DA needs to start or DA needs to sit or the same for Quinn..
I didn't hear anything about DA causing any trouble for Quinn when he got the call to start
I actually thought both of them handled it rather well publically.. so any controversy was in the minds of the fans and the media..
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Did I miss something,, where was it said that he was willing to take a steep cut?.. I must have missed that?
Yes, you did miss something... it is in Grossi's article from today. It is a direct quote of JJ, not his agent or a "source".
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The expers on this message board have admired all the moves, especially the ones like trading Winslow and cutting JJ.
How thy tongue twists things..no one as far as I know is admiring(glowing, handstands) these moves..they are moves most coaches make when they come in..they remove what they think is waste and bring in guys who they feel may be more team oriented/familar and low cost..
This team has a tone of holes and little depth and the signings so far are for depth..not starting positions.
I applaud the K2 trade...not a team player..can be a disruption and a pain in the butt agent..talented yes..but his career is done in a few years..
Browns need picks and Winslow isn't going to be the last traded..
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What's next?
hmmm...
Grab a beer.
Patiently wait for the NFL draft.
Grab another beer.
Patiently wait for training camp.
Grab some more beer.
Patiently wait for preseason.
More beer....
Patiently wait for the regular season.
Even more beer....
Watch and cheer on the team because I have no control over what happens.
And of course, more beer...
But then again, I'm not one of the so called "football experts" you were talking about.
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I think they are cleaning up the cap for next year... they will have all their draft picks, and they will also want to be active in next years free agency in case someone good is out there.
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Whats next? Any other Jet FA's out there floating around? HACK
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I think they are cleaning up the cap for next year... they will have all their draft picks, and they will also want to be active in next years free agency in case someone good is out there.
This was the only thing that I could think of as a reason why we are clearing up cap room. Mangini probably thinks he'll make his playoff run next season and would need to fill certain holes with key FA acquisitions.
....But next year could very well be an uncapped year.
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Yes, you did miss something... it is in Grossi's article from today. It is a direct quote of JJ, not his agent or a "source".
Ahh, I didn't read anything this morning.. that's why I asked if I missed something... thanks Purp
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That doesn't explain much of anything at all. Not one bit.
It doesn't relate at all to the JJ move, nor does it touch on Tucker. Unless there was an extension in there that I'm not aware of and can't find evidence of, both of them are/were in the last year of their contracts this year.
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Did I miss something,, where was it said that he was willing to take a steep cut?.. I must have missed that?
yea, in another thread, i posted a news-herald article with a quote from JJ saying "i was willing to take a steep pay cut which is why this move leaves me with a heavy heart" or something to that effect. eo argued that a "steep paycut" wasn't necessarily vet minimum, which is what tucker restructured to, so it could be he was still cut for salary cap reasons (in addition to health reasons).
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Why? There wasn't a QB contoversy last year... except in the minds of the fans...I don't remember thier being much in the way of infighting on the team.. I don't remember one player standing up and saying,, DA needs to start or DA needs to sit or the same for Quinn..
I didn't hear anything about DA causing any trouble for Quinn when he got the call to start
I actually thought both of them handled it rather well publically.. so any controversy was in the minds of the fans and the media..
well there was a little. hank fraley speaking out, edwards accepting quinn was going to start and winslow saying that quinn was a 1st rounder so he'd eventually start. that said, your interpretation wasn't what i intended. what i mean was the controversy strirred by media and idiot fans. i'm not talking about fans here who legitimately like one person over the other, but the fans who have no real basis to favor one over the other, you know, the "every other sunday" casual fan.
that said, regardless of who our qb is, i'd much rather go into training camp with one guy, one voice, one direction but at the same time, i understand the need to be careful if both stay and battle it out. at the same time, i like the idea of an all out battle between DA and quinn so we can finally know once and for all, who should be starting for us. i just hope, if that's what happens, that one of them is definitely gone in 2010.
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One good thing, we didn't go after the big name guys and give out $70 million dollar deals.
To me its the moves we didn't make this FA period that is so disappointing. There were players available that would have upgraded the talent level on this team, without a ridiculous contract.
Derrick Ward, Mike Peterson, Matt Birk, Bobby Engram...all would come relatively cheap and provide a good couple of years of production and leadership.
It seems our tremendous pro personnel scouting has decided that backup Jet players are what we need, for depth. But in reality, if Poteat, Bowens, or Elam are seeing the football field in 2009, we are in serious trouble.
Bottom line to me, we have ALOT of holes. Sure, we can't fill all of them, we can't win the superbowl next year. But signing some decent players, at fair prices woulda helped us in 2009.
When this team gets better, then i'll praise moves. Right now, its just new coach syndrome, no matter who it is, or what moves are made, the same people "oohh and ahhhh" over the moves. And every 4 years, repeat. This team aint any better today than 4 months ago. When it gets better, i'll drink the coolaid.
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Yeah, there were some guys that would have helped us. But, just because they would have helped us doesn't mean they would have come here.
A lot of us just assume that since a guy is out there, it's easy to sign him.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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No one is saying these moves are anything other than what they are, depth moves.
What does adding Derek Ward do for us? Win an extra game, maybe?
What about Matt Birk? Mike Peterson? Bobby Engram?
It's apparent that the FO didn't want to overspend on FA, and while I would have liked Matt Birk and think we should have gone after him, it doesn't mean they were wrong or right.
Personally, they haven't done anything yet. They let some average guys go and brought some average guys back. The biggest move they made was trading a great receiver for two draft picks. I don't have a problem with that. I'm not going to miss anyone who left because we replaced them with the same sort of talent level.
We've signed part time, situational special teams player to replace part time, situational special teams player. Wait until the draft if you want to criticize this new regime *Which, apparently, many of you really want to do, no matter what.*
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Peterson probably wasn't a blip on the Browns radar screen, he's a 4-3 LB and doesn't fit the scheme so we would have wasted money on a player we can't use due to the manner of the D. Leadership? Didn't this guy lose his starting job because he ran his mouth? Not the leader I want. Engram? Pass, and the same goes for Ward, I don't think he's gonna be anything but anice complimentary back who won't be able to carry the full load so I find him overrated, and I don't see him doing what he did last year without someone like Jacobs making Defenses sore before he gets his carries. Birk, we already got one named Fraley, nah don't think he really does much.
Overall I don't see the need to overspend and just pick up a guy cause we as fans heard his name or see his numbers and think he's good, when in reality we dont have an idea where he stands in our scheme and the organizations eyes.
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Birk, we already got one named Fraley, nah don't think he really does much.
I said in a different thread that I thought Birk was pretty good.. but he's 32, Fraley is 31... Fraley is set to make $1.6M and Birk signed for $4M per year... so while Birk may be better than Fraley, is he 2 1/2 million dollars per year better? I don't think he is... not at this age.
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I would agree with your assessment, and your contract number breakdown makes this financially understandable as to why the organization would not make such a move Fraley is a good NFL vet C for what his salary is. He might not be the greatest center but to a degree is a deal at his price.
Really there sn't much out there to be gettin, and I don't mind not spending if it really isn't going to help us, it's early in the offseason, things are and will continue to change and happen.
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Any other Jet FA's out there floating around?
Actually isn't Barton still out there??? LOL
Honestly...I haven't seen a move yet that his new FO has made to get excited about....in either direction. None of the moves have been "bad" in my eyes...None of the picks have been "great" in my eyes.
I swear the over-reaction to everything here is amazing. There has not been a SINGLE move made by these guys that has weakend this team. And conversely I don't really think there has been a single move that has really strengthened this team outside of depth.
I am really interested in seeing how this group drafts. Not only who they draft, but what deals do they try to make and how active are they in trying to make those deals....
I am not giving this group a free pass....frankly there has been nothing to grade them on....and I find it funny how so many are taken in by the spoiled brat media putting out these negative stories because they don't get the "VIP kiss your rear" treatment from Mangini.
Step back....Take a Deep Breath....Let it out now.....Now really look at what the Browns have done....Is what they have done really worth the tantrums we are seeing out of people??? 
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yea, in another thread, i posted a news-herald article with a quote from JJ saying "i was willing to take a steep pay cut which is why this move leaves me with a heavy heart"
Thanks Dong,, yeah, purp pointed out that I had missed that article.. I was so darn busy today (it's a good thing by the way) that I just didn't get a chance to read much online.
Probably, and I'm just speculating here, JJ's idea of a steep cut wasn't the same as what the Browns had in mind.. I think the article by Grossi says that the Browns were looking to go to the 10 year vet league minimum like they did with Tucker.. ($840k or something like that) Sounds as if JJ didn't want to go that far down.
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Three ways a team can go:
All-in because they think they can win the Big One. That means overspending on older free agents and trading picks for players. Think the Deadskins or the Cowgirls.
Status-quo, where adding one or two pieces is designed to enhance an allready good team while moving one or two players to keep the ratio's in balance. Think the Pats or Chargers.
Rebuild. A team dumps players that are over-the-hill and expensive, trades disgruntled screwups, and signs no high-end players because of their overvalued contracts.
That last one is apparently us.
Because that's the direction the organization appears to be taking, if you're going to do something, do is ALL THE WAY. The odds of keeping Edwards are nil because of how petulant he is when combined with how he feels about the town and vice-versa. A best-case scenario appears to be one where we keep him for one more year, franchise him, then hope a team gives us something for him. OR, we can make that move now, and start the rebuilding this year. With Crabtree sitting there, we can get a guy who can replace Edwards immediately while doing it one year sooner rather than later. If he's traded, he'd go for a 1st rounder, and as such, we could replace another position with that pick.
As for Anderson, it depends on whether or not we get enough value in return. We don't know what we have in Quinn, and we have to pay him $5 million no matter what, so there's reason to keep him.
As for your question regarding the salary cap room, hey, times are tough, and not all teams are willing to spend millions of dollars. While the salary cap is one issue, an organizations financial well-being outside of the realm of the cap is just as important. It's possible we aren't going to spend money in a rebuilding mode so that when we're NOT rebuilding, we'll have funds available.
Just food for thought.
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Well first off I'd get rid of that Water Boy, he carries the towel in the wrong arm and I do remember seeing some bottles that weren't full when he ran out on the field. This is unacceptable and his position should be terminated immediatley. 2nd. I'd definatley get rid of the Janitor in charge of the bathroom by section 215 last game i went to there were toilet paper dispensers that were empty and a few dribbles of pee on the floor, yeah he can walk as well, totally unacceptale by my standards, what if I had to go poop?  In all honesty though I really think Mangini and Kokinis have no clue what there trying to do, just cutting random people who's names are drawn out of a hat or something, sure as hell seems like it to me. I do know for sure that if this doesn't work out for the better of the team then wherever they go in Cleveland they will be constantly pelted with dog bones and beer bottles so they better hope whatever it is there trying to do works, cuz if not there gonna have some goose egg's for a long time.
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Now I'm confused! LOL Isn't next year supposed to be an Un-capped year? Did they get a new agreement done?  Go Brownies!!!!
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lol...good point...there goes that theory.....
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Lol.. guys.. I don't know.. I'm just as confused as you are. Just hoping we don't become the laughing stock of the league next year...
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Lol.. guys.. I don't know.. I'm just as confused as you are.
Just hoping we don't become the laughing stock of the league next year...
I already hear the chuckling beginning to start.......
As of right now, I don't think this off season could have went any worse.....the only thing that keeps my faith in Mangini INC. is the possibility of a draft day trade...or some big move....why else free up the salary space like we are.....I mean, so far we have only received one more pick this year..so it's not like we are gaining picks.....and we are making more holes to fill every week.....
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I think they are cleaning up the cap for next year
Now I'm confused! LOL Isn't next year supposed to be an Un-capped year? Did they get a new agreement done? Go Brownies!!!!
Yes, it is supposed to be an uncapped year but it may not be if/when the CBA is reconfigured. Those teams that are spending willy-nilly thinking the CBA will not get ironed out and that there will be no cap next year could be in a lick of trouble getting under the cap once it does (if it does) come about.
Best to remain frugal when something like this is uncertain..........just as DA's contract was structured as it was with the knowledge of what was going on with the CBA this too needs to be handled very carefully.
Let the other teams spend spend spend.
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Except that NONE of these moves affect next year at all.
Well, not true... the Shaffer move gives us a bunch of dead money next year, so depending on what his salary was supposed to be, we could have less cap space for next year as a result of the move.
None of this is being done with an eye toward next years cap.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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What's next is a very good question......IMO....try to sign Ken Lucas.......and offer a vet minimum packed with some incentives to both Torry Holt and Marvin Harrison.....see what happens.....I don't think either one wants to retire, and I don't see much going on with either of them......has anyone heard if there have been talks with these 2 and other teams...???? I know they are both old and have injury issues, but even with both legs broke, I can assure you they are better than everything we have......well, maybe with the exception of BE.....Ken will probably command a decent size offer, but I think we could get one of the WR's mentioned above...that way we fill a hole in the secondary, and get a #2 or #3 WR.......and get back to what we needed to do in the 1st place with the draft......address our "D"......
Just out of curiousity......do you think we would try and make a play for Cutler....???
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Next, IMO, is the big move that everyone is waiting for. They'll trade a QB.
you had a good run Hank.
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Tear up Stallworths contract and Jamal Lewis...if you want to continue getting rid of overpriced contracts. That is what I would do, neither would get a similar contract on the market this year. Jamal cannot be a lead back and Stallworth was a horrible pick up and a huge risk. JMHO
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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Lol.. guys.. I don't know.. I'm just as confused as you are.
Just hoping we don't become the laughing stock of the league next year...
We haven't scored a TD in eons. Our media shy, son of a boss owner doesn't want to be recorded so he does press interviews under the bathroom door or something. Our FO thinks no one can help us but ex jets.Not to mention we are alway rebuilding even though we never built anything but a steaming pile to begin with.
I'm afraid the laughing stock ship has set sail. 
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these moves are not necessarily pure-salary cap driven. it's mainly addition by subtraction, except for the jurevicious move.
It is well known that Savage couldnt fill out the back end of a 53 man roster. His draft picks were players he expected to fill in for current starters down the road. Like trading a pick to draft Hubbard, who was expected to fill in JJs spot when he retired. Savage didnt have the battle tested personnel that was ready to come off the bench when a starter went down. He didnt re-sign the Mckinnleys and Chaun Thompsons to play as backups and instead opted for FAs from other teams. Why let Chaun Thompson go and bring in Orr. Or let Mckinnley go and sign Shaun Smith to a big deal. Yeah, those guys werent game changing players but they consistantley contributed. So Savage let them go and signed players not familiar to the system from other teams, for the same price that he could have signed the FAs that were already on the team.
My biggest "whats next" question is who do the new guys think can fill in for the guys previosley let go? We didnt get to watch JJ last year so there wont be any dropoff on the field from last year. His locker room presence and professionalism will be missed. Winslow was the most consistant playmaker last year on offense, and pre-draft, the have nobody to match his production. Schaffer was getting pushed around and bulldozed that led to DAs injury, but what do they have thats better?
The new regime dont have enough draft picks to fill all the holes and now they are making cuts. they are also not bringing in much thru FA. It looks to me like they trying to get by with what they got this year and free up cap space for the future. I thought thats why Lerner took Mangini over Piolis gameplan because pioli wanted a complete roster change and Mangini could win by adding his blue prints with what they have now. But they have less talent and battle tested players then they had on a team that won 4 games last year. Where is the improvement to win now?
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It just floors me that we are willing to pay unproductive players like Donte and Jamal, and sign total rejects like Bowens and Poteat. But we cut out starting RT, who wasnt great, but wasn't trash as some wanna believe.
The next move SHOULD be to trade DA for a player, a player at a position we need. San Fran sends us Lawson, and a 5th or something. Along those lines.
DA is not worth the massive dough to be a backup, and if this bunch believes he should start, well, then we all have our answer to how this regime will turn out.
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