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You've got to be kidding me...
WHO FREAKIN ELSE?
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where was it said that kokinis is looking for maulers? not bringing the 'tude, just don't remember it in that way. i only remember them saying they want to run the ball and they might have mentioned power running but i don't remember him saying he wanted maulers.
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Surprising that they released him out right do to the cap hit but maybe they feel it's more about getting someone over there that can actually man the position. Cost (money) be damn.. he cost us a lot of sacks. I for one, was sick of watching him follow the rusher to the QB.
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Kevin: You did what you were asked and did a good job. On behalf of many fans... thank you for your effort. Good luck where ever you end up.
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He was a 6'6 #4 pick in the draft. His strength is in his lower body, is a black belt and has a huge wingspan. RT would be less demanding and we would have two Pro-Bowl Bookends if that were the case, plus a healthy QB.
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How does this affect the cap? Could it possibly be a situation where we cut him to avoid some kind of bonus and we are working on a new deal right now?
I'm not sure how this move helps. This is one that has me a little baffled. I never really thought much of Schaffer but I don't see any other options on the roster.
Maybe Loadholt in the second round.
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CLEVELAND -- The Browns confirmed they have released offensive tackle Kevin Shaffer and signed former Jets linebacker David Bowens.
But Shaffer is weighing a contract restructuring offer from the team and will decide by tonight whether to take it or enter free agency Friday morning, his agent told The Plain Dealer.
Shaffer is owed a $1 million roster bonus on Friday. The Browns don't want to pay it, but they have expressed the desire to retain Shaffer if he agrees to a new contract.
"We've been talking for the last 48 hours," said agent Alan Sherman. "We've bounced back and forth on different proposals and couldn't come to an agreement. I basically told (Browns GM) George (Kokinis) that we'd continue to talk tonight before we decide to enter free agency tomorrow."
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i think they said it scoots up 4.6 million in dead money. dead money isn't terrible given the time of the year. we don't really NEED to be 20+ million under the cap at this point, since we only need to sign some draft picks. this seems to be more about practical payments and i guess they felt schaffer wasn't worth his contract. i think it was said that we're open to bringing him back.
that said, these moves make it seem like we're on the verge of a big trade and if it involved one of our qbs or BE, i wouldn't be surprised.
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that said, these moves make it seem like we're on the verge of a big trade and if it involved one of our qbs or BE, i wouldn't be surprised.
Agreed
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i really think lerner dropped the ball again with these 2 clowns..they don't explain their moves, and their moves desperately need explained because they make no sense thus far.
2 things to ponder
1. This just happened so maybe they will explain (I doubt it)
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2. Neither of these guys owe you or me an explaination.. they don't owe the press anything either.. The only person they need to explain themselves to is Randy Lerner.... and they may have already done that....... But Randy, as usual, isn't talking either.
Look, these guys know we need a RT.. Even with Shaffer here, we needed a RT..
Having said that, I believe they will attempt to resign him at a lower number or they will go out and get someone else.
My first reaction was,, wow,, didn't see that coming so soon.. But fact is, might as well get it over with..
I'd love to know thier plans,, but I don't expect to find out any time soon.
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just clicking.
Pretty shocked but not that surprised at their evaluation. Listen we all knew that Shaffer sucked. I thought he was serviceable until we got our stud from the draft???
They didn't want to release him but I'm pretty sure they wanted to end the contract and have this as the last season.
Like they did AD last year.
So after the shock wears off...think about what we are really missing. He only looked good at RT when Tucker played 8 games at RG. Well maybe so can this Goldberg kid if we signed him. Maybe Sowells can do a better job (I didn't really say that  lol  ) actually I wouldn't be shocked if Andre Smith is a Brown, Loadholt or Funuti (the kid from Oregon).
JMHO - or one of the other OTs with game at #5.
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Listen we all knew that Shaffer sucked.
That sounds funny coming from you EO..LOL Agree with most everything else....except Sowells. 
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Ill give you guys this....Its never boring around here this time of year.
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 I told my steeler buddy the same thing this morning at work. - I even noted that 4 years from now, it will be another exciting off-season as we will have a new coach and another player purge. - I'm starting to like it actually. 
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He was a 6'6 #4 pick in the draft. His strength is in his lower body, is a black belt and has a huge wingspan. RT would be less demanding and we would have two Pro-Bowl Bookends if that were the case, plus a healthy QB.
D'Brick is a well below average run blocker. He is a pass blocker with a huge wingspan and great feet. If we plan on passing 50+ times a game or struggle in the running game then fine, go for Ferguson. Ferguson will never play a down of right tackle for the rest of his life.
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Resigned or not, I like this move.
He was average for what we were paying him for. I would like for him to stay, but if he goes, he goes. He's certainly replaceable.
you had a good run Hank.
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D'Brick is a well below average run blocker. He is a pass blocker with a huge wingspan and great feet. If we plan on passing 50+ times a game or struggle in the running game then fine, go for Ferguson. Ferguson will never play a down of right tackle for the rest of his life.
He is a good pass blocker he compares to Thomas...His lower body is strong, not in the runblocking sense. He is not a mauler by any means. He is quick and agile, but yes he is more of a pure pass blocker. He can steer his guys where he wants.. Denver never had maulers for run blockers and I seem to recall all there agile lineman getting out and pulling and getting downfield for some pretty successful Backs.
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j/c
This is the first move I really don't understand...getting rid of Jurevicius makes sense because he's coming off an injury, and we probably want to test some new guys out because we're building for the future.
But, with a young QB for next year (either quinn's 3-4 starts or Anderson's 30 or so), you really want experience all along your line. It doesn't really make sense to give up Shaffer's experience over a 1.5 million dollar argument, when it could leave our line with a gaping hole on the outside
to me, this sounds like a new GM coming in and trying to make TOO brilliant of a move, trying to hit a jackpot (keep shaffer and for cheaper), when we should just take the $20 given too us (keeping shaffer at a little above the market price)
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dude!! we were 4-12 last year...
4-12..... not exactly a roster full of pro bowlers....
I am to the point of... get rid of who ever... just put a good product on the field...
this roster is due for a makeover rebuilding or not just get a good product on the field.
so while some of you guys complain about the release of a 34 y/o wr that just came off of 7 surgeries in the past yr, and a RT that got pushed around by guys 50-70lbs lighter than him.
I say great.... lets move toward the future... because quite honestly how much worse can we get... we have had TWO ( 2 ) winning seasons since we have been back...... so i could care less about what guy gets cut.. I dont know them and they dont know me.
Cant win with them.....Cant play with them....I would rather play with three guys on each side of the ball....just give us men that want to play...and that are reliable....
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j/c... The oddest thing with these moves is the timing. It seems like these would be moves you make in late February, in the week or two before free agency. I'm not sure I like going into the draft with this many holes. Not that I thought that Schaffer was the be-all-end-all, but he was definitely serviceable. Can't help but wonder if this doesn't go back to some discussions we had on this board as to whether or not this staff was behind. No one knows what their plan is and what they have up their sleeve, but for now, I'd say the evidence is that they're just now to the point where they have completed their off-season analysis. I'd say we're about 2 weeks behind 
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Actually more like two decades behind,....and that's really bad since we've only been back one.
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okay...
Add ANOTHER hole to fill...
Holes to fill since the offseason began:
1) TE
2) Safety
3) WR
4) RT
Thanks Mangini...
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okay...
Add ANOTHER hole to fill...
Holes to fill since the offseason began:
1) TE
2) Safety
3) WR
4) RT
Thanks Mangini...
It's not creating a hole when three out of the four already need to be replaced or upgraded.
More like saying, we won't try the same thing over and hope it works.
you had a good run Hank.
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Our primary needs though were NONE of the positions I needed...
Our primary needs were MLB, OLB, and RB....
Adding any other position would be just a plus... Now its a necessity. We could have gotten a pick for Schaffer.
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We could have gotten a pick for Schaffer.
Says who? And, we'll see if we re-sign him. Frankly, I doubt we do. Then it'll be interesting to see if someone else picks him up and at what price.
Also, Devil, you were all over this. 
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wow, that was surprising. I was a critic of his, however, I think there where other places that could of used work first. I don't know what to think about this. I really hope they don't plan on Tuck all year at RT, otherwise we'll have to bring Nat the Fat back to back up the RT spot.
do they have a plan or they just want to clear up cap space for a rebuild?
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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We could have gotten a pick for Schaffer.
I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt that. Maybe a 7th rounder.
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I disagree. We needed right side line men and a WR.
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Adding any other position would be just a plus... Now its a necessity.
We are still going to draft/sign a lot of LBers. We are going to have to wait on RB's or take one late. Running back is not or was not more important than WR, Right side linemen or Safety.
you had a good run Hank.
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dude.. get real...
Who is going to start w/ D'Qwell Jackson at ILB?
Who is goign to start @ Left Outside Linebacker?
Now add...
Who is going to be our starting Safety?
Who is going to be our starting Right Tackle?
Who is going to be our starting Tight End?
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I've been decrying the Chicken Littles who have come out after every move this offseason, but this one does have me nervous. Why do we need more cap room if we're not signing anyone? Schaffer might not be quality, but he's better than any option we've already got on the roster. 
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Who is going to be our starting Right Tackle?
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Because after they pay DA's bonus, they're shipping him off to Detroit for the no. 1 pick with Detroit getting our no. 5 and one of our 2nd rounders. We'll use the 1st pick on Curry or even one of the big tackles. 
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I have been getting this vibe for awhile now,this conferms it.
This team is going to be built on the cheap.The Browns have cleared themselves of salaries,without any talent to replace those that have been let go.
There are no plans to replace these players.There isn't enough draft picks,and the FA's have been picked over.
Dear God,we are the Bengals.
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I think this deal is just like the deal with KW2,it is addition by subtraction. We were way overpaying for KS. We were paying him top flite LT moneey for a guy who was playing RT, and not even very good RT at that. If he doesnt want to work a deal that is more in line with his worth then he can hit the bricks. He will not be hard to replace at all.
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Just clicking........
This is by far perhaps the dumbest move (at least on the surface) that the Browns have made in a while. I am no fan of Shaffer, but he was serviceable at RT, and now we have added yet another hole that needs filled. Furthermore, we did it to save a freaking 1million roster bonus....lol.....so we can have it to sign NOBODY.
I liked the KW2 trade, but after that color me unimpressed with the new regime so far. As others have said somebody smarter than me please explain why you would release a serviceable (not great by any means) starter when you have so many other needs, because of a 1 million dollar bonus. Furthermore, we aren't in cap trouble, and seem to be uninterested in spending the saved money in FA at all.
Unless there is something I don't know about (and there very well could be) this was a dumb move.........no spin can change this
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I have been getting this vibe for awhile now,this conferms it.
This team is going to be built on the cheap.The Browns have cleared themselves of salaries,without any talent to replace those that have been let go.
There are no plans to replace these players.There isn't enough draft picks,and the FA's have been picked over.
Dear God,we are the Bengals.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it. I hope they have a real plan, because it sure as heck looks more like the above. I'm willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt. However, I can't say I like this particular move.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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This seems like a good time to say it appears to me that the team is looking at ROI ratio's and taking steps to balance the equations.
ROI means "return on investment." Dumbed down, it means earn your freakin' paycheck, adjust your pay to meet your production, or be released.
Tucker being hurt and not contributing meant he wasn't worth what he was being paid. Same goes for JJ, same goes for Shaffer. If Shaffer decides to accept whatever offer the Browns have made, he'll be back at what is considered a fair offer by both sides. If Shaffer gets a better deal on the open market, he'll leave. JJ made the decision to leave instead of taking whatever the Browns were offering.
I get what they are doing. What I need to know is how they plan on fixing these holes.
To be honest, if Shaffer leaves, he's the ONLY returning starter that we'll have lost during all this. Royal/Heiden are our TE's. We've a 2nd round pick added to the equation. That means we've two 2nd's and a 1st. That's three players. We're going to sign Barton. That one was obvious from day one, when I mentioned his name as the guy who's going to line up next to Jackson. That leaves us with a safety, an OLB, and two receivers. Hell, maybe they think Bowens is a starting OLB if they can't land one in the draft.
I'm the biggest Realist on the board. I've been critical of the organization for not landing a high-quality player. I've applauded the borderline guys we've signed. I get the moves made to release or adjust contractual players that didn't fit their production. And believe it or not, I get where we're going. However, we're not putting together a team to win this year. We're rebuilding. The odds of us having a great year aren't very good, but we're not tearing the team down. We'll fill three needs with three players from the top-50 (?) picks. That won't leave us with a scrap-bottom team. It will leave us with a young team and a bunch of question marks.
This all tells me we're looking to trade down. The Rats were big movers in the draft, so Kok will be open to that idea. Don't be surprised if we go that route.
This doesn't actually mean Shaffer is gone. He could choose to chase another offer, but we won't know that for a few days. Even if he does go, we're not losing a great player. He can be replaced rather easily.
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dude.. get real...
Who is going to start w/ D'Qwell Jackson at ILB?
Who is goign to start @ Left Outside Linebacker?
Now add...
Who is going to be our starting Safety?
Who is going to be our starting Right Tackle?
Who is going to be our starting Tight End?
At this point, I'd say that I could answer two of those.
ILB will be Eric Barton when he signs here.
TE will be Robert Royal or Steve Heiden. The rest will be draft picks.
I know you're pissed because Kokinis didn't resign your boy. It's okay, I understand...but why don't you wait until we know what the 2009 Browns look like before we judge them.
you had a good run Hank.
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No surprise here.
It's not good business to pay big money to players who can no longer play at a high level.
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He can be replaced rather easily.
OK .. give me some names ... I'm very interested in hearing them ... can't wait ... wanna hear the names ...
even though your almost as much of a realist as i am ... I still would like to hear the names ... 
cause U know how i felt about Shaff ... and he STUNK ..... but for the life of me .. I have NO CLUE who in the hell we can get to take his place ... so PLEASE ... help me feel better and tell me EXACTLY WHO IT IS WE CAN EASILY REPLACE HIM WITH ...
Thanks ... cause i could not ever imagine that releasing this BUM would have me this upset ... I DO NOT GET IT ...
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