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I do agree that Shaeffer hasn't lived up to his expectations since he's been a Brown. I just can't for the life of me figure out what Mangini and Kokinis are trying to do to this team. I'm not heartbroken with Shaeffer getting cut because I do think we can find somebody whether it's in the draft or FA that can fill his spot and not be any worse than Shaeffer, but can they be any better is the question. The Jurevicious cut is the one that bothers me though, he's exactly the kind of guy you want on your team to help with guidance of some of the younger guys, he's a Team first guy, great positive attitude, hard working WR that isn't afraid to get his hands dirty and throw some blocks, plus he had the 2nd most reliable hands on our team Winslow being the 1st. I'm really starting to wonder if this is part of a hidden agenda of Modell to ruin Cleveland again, since Mangini and Kokinis both used to work for Modell, kinda makes you wonder. 
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Wouldn't you expect us to take Monroe or Jason Smith over Andre Smith?
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The new Cleveland Brown mission statement. Losing with Fiscal Responsibility.The name on the door says Cheapland.  If we're going to apply the ROI test fairly can Braylon Edwards be excluded?  I hope we draft the Boz.... uh I mean Orakpoo
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If you are looking at free agents, I would say that some of these guys would be at least as good as Schaffer if not an upgrade:
Elton Brown, Adam Goldberg, John Runyan, & Mark Tauscher. I'm not saying they would be an upgrade, but they wouldn't be a downgrade, either, in my opinion.
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I wouldn't touch that bum with a ten-foot pole..........
You don't need a ten foot pole, he tig 'ol bitties will smack you in the face if he runs past.
The guy had the audacity to run at his pro day with his shirt off, and things were flopping around all over the place.
This guy will no way in hell get picked in the top 10. I wouldn't be surprised if he drops late in the round at all.
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He can be replaced rather easily.
OK .. give me some names ... I'm very interested in hearing them ... can't wait ... wanna hear the names ...
even though your almost as much of a realist as i am ... I still would like to hear the names ... 
cause U know how i felt about Shaff ... and he STUNK ..... but for the life of me .. I have NO CLUE who in the hell we can get to take his place ... so PLEASE ... help me feel better and tell me EXACTLY WHO IT IS WE CAN EASILY REPLACE HIM WITH ...
Thanks ... cause i could not ever imagine that releasing this BUM would have me this upset ... I DO NOT GET IT ...
The guy that could be replacing Kevin Shaffer is Kevin Shaffer.
They were trying to redo his contract, and couldn't get it done. I read that it's a possibility that he resigns. Of course, nothing is guaranteed, but Savage isn't employed anywhere to entice him with a $7 mil a year contract....
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Wouldn't you expect us to take Monroe or Jason Smith over Andre Smith?
I have been advocating drafting a stud RT at #5 overall all along. Now I am really advocating it. I hope either Monroe or Smith is there for us. I do not care for Andre Smith. How the hell can you not be in shape for your own pro day??
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help me feel better and tell me EXACTLY WHO IT IS WE CAN EASILY REPLACE HIM WITH ...
Talent for talent, Jon Runyan is still a better RT than Shaffer. Mark Tauscher is still out there, and I believe that he's a little better than Shaffer. He's more finesse than power. John St. Claire was a bum of a left tackle, but much like Shaffer, a move to right tackle put him on par with what Shaffer brought to the table. I believe Terrence Metcalf is out there as well.
That's four names. Should I continue?  Remember, we're not talking about cutting an all-pro here. We're talking about a run-of-the-mill right tackle. On the surface, this bugs me, but after a little consideration, even if he goes, it's not that big a deal to me. Remember, this draft is heavy with offensive linemen. Shaffer was worth what he was being paid in '07, but not this last year. Since we ARE rebuilding, if we got a really good right tackle in the draft with one of those three selections in the first two rounds, I think we'd all be very happy.
There's always a chance he comes back under a reduced contract. He may just find that there isn't much out there for him. Or maybe his agent allready knows that, having been talking to teams before he was released
I maintain we don't have an OLB, a Safety, an ILB, a WR, and now a RT (or a RG, depending on how well Tucker comes back, though I think he's a guard). Barton is a matter of WHEN, not IF, so that leaves four desperate needs with 3 high draft picks. Sooner or later, they'll get around to signing a replacement for that 4th spot. Right now, Kevin Shaffer is as likely as anyone.
This is a rebuild man. You know it, I know it, and everyone else should know it. I realized it when we didn't sign any marquee free agents while dumping Winslow for a 2nd. Realizing what this organization is doing puts this picture in focus. I've stated I wasn't for a rebuild, but I also realize that a rebuild means taking certain steps, and cutting the fat is necessary.
Having said all that, they better have a plan in place.
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Luckily for us Shaff SUCKS ASS so hes easy to replace ... and even your advocating he replaces himself ... that should tell U right there what is out there ... Runyan would be an upgrade ... didn't know he was available .. but whats it tell U that we weren't looking at him previously .... and the fact he has signed with no one .. not very comforting ... as bad as Shaff is the rest of your list SCARES THE HELL out of me .. Shaff is a BIG OLE BUM ... the other guys on your list our COLLASALL SUPER SIZED BUMS ... I do not agree with the re-build what so ever ... we can win this year ... guess even after the Shaff mystery is solved we'll still have sumptin to chat about ... I really hope we have DA traded by the end of the day today ... that'd give us the ammo to move up back into rnd 1 to get a RT ... I was hoping to get a Gaurd or Center on Day 1 ... guess that dreams gone ... holy cow ... 6th OT in the Uconn/Cuse game ... wow ..
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I no longer believe Anderson is going to be traded. Some of the holes he could have gone and filled are no longer vacant. We can say what we want about Cassel and Sage, but those jobs are gone. That leaves Chicago, San Fran, and Seattle as about the only teams who may want a QB. With a few viable options in the draft, I don't believe Anderson is going anywhere for a high pick. While I do think it's Quinn's job to start out, I don't believe Anderson is out of the picture. I know you believe in Quinn. We've been down that road before I feel there's plenty of folks out there that question his ability, so I don't believe he's going to be handed the gig. That means Anderson will have a say in it IMHO.
Back to Shaffer......I wouldn't put it past this organization to go after someone like Incognito and try him at RT. While those names should scare you, if I were a different team, I'd be scared of Shaffer  Maybe they even believe Tucker can play RT, so they'll look at a guard, which changes the entire scenario.
I think our first insticts are to run, but we should wait a little while to see how this plays out. There are options out there to fix this thing. We can disagree about the rebuild, but while they have been moving parts around, the parts we have allready in place aren't exactly top-shelf talent  McDonald, Fraley, Tucker, Stallworth, Heiden and Royal, Wimbley (who's a bum), our current two safeties, and even though I've been an advocate of Lewis, he is nearing the end.
Even if we manage to sneak up on some teams and win, we've got a bunch of parts that will need replacing.
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Honestly I only hope that we continue to improve our OL regardless of who our QB is....Mangini showed an interest in trading Quinn once and he may again , although I don't support it.....What is clear is that Mangini is going to bring in his guys and now the Stress and Accountabilty of making the Browns a winning franchise falls to him  ....
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This is a rebuild man. You know it, I know it, and everyone else should know it.
Meanwhile the Steelers roll on, year after year.  
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This seems like a good time to say it appears to me that the team is looking at ROI ratio's and taking steps to balance the equations.
I think you're dead on about this. And while we seem to be going about it the right way, like you I hope we have a plan in place. A darn good plan.
If we're talking about trimming the fat, how come nothing has been about Corey Williams? Guy was invisible last year and the only player with a higher base salary than him on the team is Joe Thomas! Maybe Mangini sees something in him? I can't imagine what though, the guy was only ever productive as a pass rushing 4-3 end.
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the guy was only ever productive as a pass rushing 4-3 end.
he was a 4-3 tackle and i guess the previous regime saw something in him. you're right, he was pretty invisible. although I am curious how much was the nagging shoulder and learning a new system. previously he was more of a pass-rusher and last year he was asked to occupy blockers.
hopefully we can get better production out of him by either better play or utilizing his talents, or a combination of both
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If we're talking about trimming the fat, how come nothing has been about Corey Williams? Guy was invisible
While I've no idea what the letters in your nickname means, they do look familiar to me. Were you on one of the other boards? It just seems familiar 
Regarding Williams, the guy played with one shoulder last year. I don't know if he's going to be worth what we gave up to get him, but I do know that he wasn't able to be the same guy he'd been the past couple of years. Basically, he has a free pass, but that shoulder has been fixed, so he must produce.
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This is a rebuild man. You know it, I know it, and everyone else should know it.
Choice of words would put SOME into a deeper PANIC mode than they already are...lol...
Shaffer isn't a Cap related move...We actually created "Dead Space" with his release...And they can talk all they want about "Leaving the Door Open for his Return"...Ain't happenin' on his BEST DAY...That's a pleasant way of saying U SUCK...Get Lost...This was a "Play Versus Pay" move...
All I can say is we best not even think of Andre Smith at 5...Or 7...Or 8...ANYWHERE...This dude has Sign the Big Deal and BALLOON to 370+ written all over em'...He has shown ZERO DISCIPLINE thru this whole thing...U get ONE SHOT at this draft thing...And this dude does what he did???...Unreal...
No need to panic here...But this thing is shakin' out to an indication that we have one thing in mind come draft day...GET AS MANY PICKS AS POSSIBLE...Including moving down from 5...And I have zero problem with that...Get as many Top 50 picks as we can cause this draft has SOLID players in that area...STARTERS...And we could use about FOUR this year from the DRAFT...
I totally understand the FA pick-ups so far...PLAYERS with DISCIPLINE...That's what we want and that's what we've gotten...This team needs it badly...This Prima-Donna BS needs to take a hike...And that included WINSLOW...And includes EDWARDS too...
We've got 3 weapons at our disposal...And one will set the fanbase on fire...BRAYLON EDWARDS...I'm tellin' ya'...Don't even go PP come draft day starting around pick 17 of the JETS...I see it comin'...And he's replaceable with those sorry ass hands...
The other 2 are ANDERSON and a TRADE DOWN at 5...
DA's Bonus is supposedly due TODAY...If not then it's Sunday...If there's gonna be any Trade Chatter it'll start soon... 
We've got that Light Schedule again as we did in 07...I don't know what the plan is at RT...But we best get a damn RG in here...If we do in fact go the RT route in the draft...It appears we're looking at Tucker at RG for this last year...And Center is up in the air between Fraley and a Hadnot move...
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Yea.. I am pissed that they did not resign Sean Jones... but he is making me even more upset...
I really feel as if he is tearing this team up... Everyday I have said that for the past week.. lol..
KWII Traded...
Sean Jones to the Eagles...
Joe J. Cut...
Kevin Schaffer Cut...
It's a little irritating b/c I really don't want to experience another 4-12 (or worse) season... Besides the lions, the Browns normally break those records. We still haven't scored an offensive touchdown in how many games? We went 0-6 in the division a few years ago. There are so many bad records, and we seem to always get them.
My only guess is this....
Mangini says hey... You are in the NFL... Now let's play like it... He is looking for guys to step their game up. The vets that were here... They didn't work. So now someone else needs to get their shot. Thats all I can see. Maybe he wants to turn Steptoe into a household name. Maybe he wants 2nd string guys to become starters and hope that they make due. I don't know.
But I would have atleast put Schaffer on the trading block. We need more picks!! Maybe he did? Maybe he didn't? But it is what it is at this point....
And I'm also upset... How the freak is Quinn going to prosper w/ the line that we have. Defense wins championships I know.. but getting Eugene Monroe in the 1st, and Duke Robinson in the 2nd, also Eric Wood or the best Center available with the other 2nd rounder would not bother me one bit at this point.
Then we could get Zack Follett and Jasper Brinkley on Day 2.
O yea.. CUT DONTE STALLWORTH!!!!
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Your ROI theory is all well and good. And it appears that you may be dead-on. But that doesn't make it palatable.
How long will it be before we hear the same old tune we've heard for nearly 10 years? "Well, we have to tear things down. The talent isn't here. We have a 5 year plan."
Frankly, if I hear that once this year my tickets are on the block. And my PSLs will be up for sale next year at this time. I am sick of this crap.
Honestly, whatever happened to a coach coming in and trying to win with the players that are there? In a relatively short amount of time?
As far as our won/lost record goes I have no idea what they may think is realistic. But at this point I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling.
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well.. We will be the underdogs again... Maybe we will succeed.
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Andre Smith on the right side is now a strong possibility
the way Andre is acting right now he is a basket case waiting to sign a big contract and than never set foot on a NFL field, to me he's the type to take the money and run.
stay away from Andre....
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Kokinis is looking for Maulers. Dbrick is a less aggressive version of Kevin Shaffer.
We can only hope!
I want to see a bunch of ugly, mean slobberin guys line up to play on Sunday!
Guys that the other team see and think, 'I don't want that nasty SOB falling on me"!
No pretty boy image for this town will work with the possible exception of BQ.
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those who know me know I'm a guy who has always preached O-LINE. To me football is won -n- lost in the trenchs, so with that, releasing Schaffer to me is a good move. I was never a schaffer fan to many times I've yelled at the TV after watching a schaffer wiff and seeing our QB sacked. sure 2007 was a good year, ya know the year every team lined up thier best pass rusher on the left side to take advantage of a rookie left tackle which they couldnt, but 2008 after teams found out Thomas was for real sent thier best pass rusher packing to the right side again and well we know the reast of the story. Schaffer was to expensive for the play.
We need to take a O-lineman or two in the second round, even thought I love the center kid from Cal. we need to take the best O-lineman availble when we pick, I do beleive were not done trading players & it's just starting.
I will not be surprised to see us trade our 1st rounder away for more picks even if it means getting out of the first round to aquire multiple 2nd round picks and 3rd rounds, which to me makes since.
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I understand...but why don't you wait until we know what the 2009 Browns look like before we judge them.
I like that thinking.. let's see what they are cooking up before we panic..
I'm totally sure that if they didn't have some plan for RT, Shaffer would NOT have been released.... Let's see how it plays out.
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CLEVELAND -- The Browns confirmed they have released offensive tackle Kevin Shaffer and signed former Jets linebacker David Bowens.
But Shaffer is weighing a contract restructuring offer from the team and will decide by tonight whether to take it or enter free agency Friday morning, his agent told The Plain Dealer.
Shaffer is owed a $1 million roster bonus on Friday. The Browns don't want to pay it, but they have expressed the desire to retain Shaffer if he agrees to a new contract.
"We've been talking for the last 48 hours," said agent Alan Sherman. "We've bounced back and forth on different proposals and couldn't come to an agreement. I basically told (Browns GM) George (Kokinis) that we'd continue to talk tonight before we decide to enter free agency tomorrow."
I think that really sums it up..he's not worth the contract and they don't want big bucks tied down to guys who really aren't worth it...which brings me to Stallworthless..I'm gonna pound his name until something is done to him..
AD was allowed to walk ..K2 traded..JJ cut..now Shaffer..I believe they are prepared..meaning "aye o.k see ya!" to let him walk..
How will they replace him if he doesn't come to terms..only thing I can say is..it's still a month before the draft...I will think that they know either there's another RT they want, or move Tucker to RT..and/or they're going into the draft to either take a OG/OT somewhere in the second round..
I agree with Toad..it's still a rebuild but not the massive overhaul..just weeding out guys who are upside down in terms of pay/performance..kinda like having a car payment..cars are usually upside down in terms of equity/cost..
It stands to reason they will try to aquire more picks and I think the momentum is building quickly now ..it has to ..someone else is going to be moved be it Edwards or DA...those are the only two I see returning high picks..
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I understand the frustration, but a rebuild was the only option.
A new coach doesn't take a team and keep it the same unless we was promoted from an assistant job to the position.
Basically, we are saying we don't want any part of the team Phil put together.
If you are going to pull rotten teeth, you might as well get it done all at once.
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The team, clearly viewed the contact out of line with the tackle’s performance
Kevin Shaffer's performance in last season's Colts game is stuck in my head and that image makes it hard for me to feel sorry for Shaffer or be concerned that Mangini won't be able to replace Shaffer.
I do believe it was Shaffer who got shoved 8 yds deep into the Browns backfield, getting knocked on his back, taking out the Browns QB with his helmet hitting the QBs knee.
Maybe Orlando Pace wants to come home and play RT for the Browns?
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Maybe Orlando Pace wants to come home and play RT for the Browns?
God, I hope not.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Andre Smith on the right side is now a strong possibility
the way Andre is acting right now he is a basket case waiting to sign a big contract and than never set foot on a NFL field, to me he's the type to take the money and run.
stay away from Andre....
I'd take him if he fell to us in the 4th.
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Maybe Orlando Pace wants to come home and play RT for the Browns?
God, I hope not.
I don't believe I have seen Pace knocked 8 yds into the pocket, knocked on his butt and take out his own QB with a helmet to the knee.
I don't know if Pace has ever been knocked his butt like that?
But hey, who knows, maybe Pace wants to retire. But I'm sure the Browns will find someone to replace Shaffer.
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Plan in play beyond this point. Obvious that we are "buying" cap space IMO. Shopping will start soon for the next Jet replacement perhaps. But we are culling the herd; this seems not to be a case where it is shape up or ship out. More like out, now, period. I expected some of this; I anticipate more of that. But I think a message has been sent, and I hope we are listening well. I really do not know the caliber of play here in the newest pickup, but he must have a motor! DOWNSIDE: Lots of clubs, few starts. UPSIDE: Makes plays when in after he catches on and hangs on, looks like a proven utility clean up hitter. On that note, if he has tackles and sacs, he is already head and shoulders ahead of our stat-challenged basking Defenseless from last year. Welcome aboard; go win!
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Wow, there was some chatter about him being a weak link, but i did not imagine that this would be addressed this year. I thought there were other more glaring needs. So now we have another need. Tucker is supposed to be the answer at guard or RT- i think they are making a colossal mistake if they think he can stay healthy. And, next question, isn't Schaffer versatile. He may not be a starter at left tackle, but in a pinch, couldn't he hold that down for a game or two if need be. So now who is the back up tackle- Steiny- maybe he was the backup all along- IDK. They had the guy in from the rams- so maybe with this move he will be signed. He played everywhere but center last year so he is versatile as well. Maybe they want to resign Schaffer at a lower cost, otherwise, why not trade him. He would have been worth a late round pick to a tackle starved team.
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"That's four names. Should I continue?"
You could add Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum and make it six.
Outside of Runyan,who's 35 by the way,that is one huge pile of all of them over 30 RT crap.
I understand the concepts of ROI and fiscal responsibility,but cutting off your nose to spite your face maynot be the best way to achieve either.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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I understand the frustration, but a rebuild was the only option.
All well and good. If you believe that was the only option. I don't, but let's go with your premise.
You're essentially telling me a couple of things. That the team that went 10-6 and then 4-12 with basically the same personnel doesn't have enough talent to be coached up by a head coach that everyone outside of Cleveland would agree is a pretty good coach.
And secondly you're telling me that you're OK with another 5 year plan. Because as sure as I'm sitting here that's the phrase (or some variation of that phrase) we're gonna be hearing sometime soon.
Look, I understand that, generally speaking, coaches like to come in and clean house so they can win with "their guys". And if it's a relatively speedy process I have no real problem with it.
But my past Browns experience tells me it won't be speedy and that in reality we'll be doing this same thing all over again in 4-5 years. That's what I'm worried about.
What you're also telling me is that you don't think that if we had kept the team as it was the day Romeo got canned and just gotten some decent people on the defensive front 7 (FAs, Draft, who cares) and settled on one QB (I don't care which one) that we could not have won this year. And by win I mean have at least an 8-8 record.
I don't believe that and I doubt you do either. But if you don't believe that then you have to question just what this FO is trying to do other than create cover for at least one season of losing. Seems just a little snake-oil salesman-ish to me.
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I didn't read through all of the posts, so I am probably just stating the obvious here...who cares is schaffer is released? Our offense stinks and he was one of the most overpaid guys on the line. He can easily be replaced by another average OL for a lower price. There isn't anybody on offense I would be shocked if they got rid of them. I am hoping Braylon survives because I think he will have a rebound year (even if he is from Michigan).
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Let's get one thing straight.....I don't buy 5 year plans....never have.
I don't care how much you tear down, it doesn't have to take 5 years. That is a number made up by some coach some time in the past.
And to massage my comment earlier....we aren't totally ripping things apart. With everything done to this point, the only position without a viable answer at this point is RT
I understand we haven't done much to fix any of the other 4-5 holes, but that looks like a draft mission. We are going to have young guys playing....no doubt about it....which is fine with me.
I also get the feeling the browns are cutting...who knows how well the team sits in this current environment.....for all we know Lerner may have had 50 million with Madoff.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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J/C ...
Since we have a hole at RT, does anyone know if available FA OT's like Mark Tauscher, Marvel Smith, or Khalif Barnes would be upgrades over Schaffer?
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All those guys cost money, which we aren't going to spend.
No rational reason why you cut Shaffer, not a world beater, but a decent RT. This team has big needs all over the place, way too many to go making more.
We don't gain cap space, we don't gain anything, well except another big hole. What an offseason. We have Donte, Fraley, DA, Jamal Lewis, Kameron Wimbley...and we are cutting Shaf?
Atleast there is now a good possibility we increase our NFL record of consecutive games without a TD.
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J/C ...
Since we have a hole at RT, does anyone know if available FA OT's like Mark Tauscher, Marvel Smith, or Khalif Barnes would be upgrades over Schaffer?
Personally, I think all 3 are upgrades over Shaeffer. BUT, I doubt you convince Smith or Barnes to switch to the right side at this stage of their careers. The money is on the left.
I'd like to see Tauscher brought in though.
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I'd take him if he fell to us in the 4th.
I'd take him if he stopped by Wal Mart on the way to Cleveland and grabbed a sports bra
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I understand the frustration, but a rebuild was the only option.
A new coach doesn't take a team and keep it the same unless we was promoted from an assistant job to the position.
Basically, we are saying we don't want any part of the team Phil put together.
If you are going to pull rotten teeth, you might as well get it done all at once.
You're probably right but I look around the league and see worst to first stories and I can't help wonder why not here? I'm pretty disgusted with whats going on here. I wanted so badly to put the blame on Romeos large posterior that it's a huge downer to see the tear it down start again formula in play again. I'm mad, I feel like I've been snookered once again by this once proud but now disfunctional franchise. 
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