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Guess they didn't want to pay his RB either .. being the under performer that he was ..  Rams | Holt released Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:36:26 -0700 The St. Louis Rams have announced they have released WR Torry Holt. this is good ... I think BQ would like throwing to him .. and lord only knows we have the cash ..
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Torry Holt is a stud. Bring him in and let him mentor BE. Holt is one of the most underrated WRs in a long time.
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I would consider signing him and trading BE. Land a wideout somewhere in the first two rounds and then let Holt mentor that guy instead.
Braylon won't be here next year unless it's under the franchise tag, and he'll make a whole lot of noise if that's the case.
Make it happen.
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Holt only had 800 receiving yards last season but has had at least 80 catches and 1100 yards for the 8 seasons before that. Playing in that awful offense last season could explain why he dropped off in production but even at 32, he is better than any receiver we have on our team. I see no reason not to bring him in for at least a look. There is no chance that any Browns receiver(with the possibility of Edwards) is better than him.
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I've always been a big fan of Holt. I'd love to have him on the Browns.
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Throw money at him and trade BE = upgrade at WR AND a draftpick  But I guess...since we are in a "re-building" in ManKoks eyes we won´t even consider him
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If Holt is better why would someone give us a pick and Braylon a ton of money when Holt is a free agent ?
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lol, don't be a DOLT.
Yeah, because another team released a player, it's a direct correllation to our releases  nevermind that his release actually clears $8 Million in cap space for a team that only had roughly $12M to work with where ours did next to nothing for a team that didn't even need any cap space
He'd look good here in Cleveland for sure... but I highly doubt we'll go after him. What was the phrase... oh yeah "He isn't a Jet", lol
Browns is the Browns
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Throw money at him and trade BE = upgrade at WR AND a draftpick
But I guess...since we are in a "re-building" in ManKoks eyes we won´t even consider him
J/C since this seems to be the prevailing opinion.
Did anyone watch Holt last year? He was getting no separation at all and Bulger struggled early in the year when he was trying to force-feed him the ball. Once the coaches told him to start going to Avery more, he did better.
Maybe Holt's not done...and he'd be worth a small, short contract with incentives. And, he's likely better than what we have after BE. But, that's it...he's a past his prime vet that isn't worth a huge contract.
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Do you guys really believe Holt has that many more years in him to trade B.E. from the start?
I propose bring in Holt. Let him be the second receiver and take some heat off of BE. And let Holt tudor BE and save our picks for other positions. Reaching for a wide receiver in this draft is a bad idea, imo. This years crop is talented, but after the first 4-5 the talent level really drops. Bringing in someone to start, will be rough.
So our WR's would be Holt, BE, Stalworth/Cribbs starting.
I can live with that.
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Can't help but think the giants or eagles would be all over this release. i doubt we are players in where he ends up, but it would be nice to see if he could teach BE something.
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Can't help but think the giants or eagles would be all over this release. i doubt we are players in where he ends up, but it would be nice to see if he could teach BE something.
I actually disagree. Giants/Eagles both need a big WR who can take redzone pressure off their other WRs.
Holt is more of a JJ-style WR at this point in his career (JJ 3 years ago of course). He actually fits our needs more than theirs. As long as we don't overpay or give him a long contract or do something like think he can replace #17.
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At this point I´d be happy if we just "tried" bringing him in...why someone would want BE? Because he is younger? and they don´t know him enough.... 
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Why don't we let whoever looks better get the heat taken off them........
I always feel like there's a reason behind every team's actions. In this case is it a move not to re-sign him because there's a new coach and low cap space, or is it a move that was made because he can't perform at his previous level.
Torry Holt has always been a very good receiver. And when I say very good, I mean very good. Top 5, consistently. He's got unbelievable hands, he runs strong routes, and he's pretty fast. He's got everything that you want when it comes to catching the ball.
I remember the guy when he played for NC State. He simply didn't drop the ball. He got picked 8th, which I remember thinking was kind of low ( I had to be in Middle School). Holt showed that I was right. He helped take the Rams to two superbowls and has been a great player throughout his career.
Unfortunately, he's 32. If we signed him, I'd hope it would be no longer than 4 years and not for gigantic bucks. He might have a couple of good years, but at some point he will begin to wear down
Unbelievable player though, if we can afford him, I'd love the guy. Whoever really thinks that Braylon will get more looks than him better be thinking Braylon will be playing at the level of two years ago because Holt's always impressed me, big time.
I wonder if Torry Holt will make the hall of fame.......... I mean, does someone like TO, Chad Johnson, or Randy Moss deserve it over him?
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Just think about this...
Many people on here were extremely upset that we released a player that was for three seasons (and played in only two.)
Imagine the St. Louis fans, the Rams have released Torry Holt a guy who has made 7 Pro Bowls for them, helped win a Super Bowl, and is a potential Hall of Famer. He has been a Ram his entire 10-year career.
The Rams also released Orlando Pace, who has also made 7 Pro Bowls, helped them win a Super Bowl, and is a potential Hall of Famer. He has been a Ram his entire 12-year career.
Also, both Holt and Pace are younger than the players the Browns' released. Just think about how upset we would be if we did something like that.
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In this case is it a move not to re-sign him because there's a new coach and low cap space, or is it a move that was made because he can't perform at his previous level.
Holt asked for the release. In my opinion it's because he didn't want to be part of a long term rebuild. I believe Cleveland has more potential to turn it around quicker than St. Louis but odds are he winds up on a contender. Imagine Moss and Holt in New England...
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why someone would want BE? Because he is younger? and they don´t know him enough....
Because he had 16TD catches in 2007?
Because he is a threat that like it or not defenses have to gameplan?
I understand being frustrated with #17 and his drops...and his inconsistent route running.
However, to suggest that a 32 yr old WR who struggled mightily getting separation from DBs last year and was bypassed on his own team by a rookie as the #1 target would walk in and automatically be our #1 threat is ludicrous at best.
It's really this easy...think of Holt as a possession slot WR. He runs perfect routes and has great hands. His speed and quickness are not there, but he can reinvent himself if he so chooses. He is not a #1 WR at this point, which says nothing to his HOF credentials (I would vote yes).
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The Tennessee Titans were on the verge of completing a trade for St. Louis Rams wide receiver Torry Holt yesterday, sources close to the situation informed the National Football Post.
The NFP has also learned that the deal between the Titans and Rams fell through because Holt refused to restructure his current contract. Holt’s refusal not only caused the potential trade to fall apart, but also led to his release from the St. Louis Rams earlier today.
Now a free agent at the age of 32, Holt caught 64 passes for 796 yards and 3 touchdowns in 14 starts for the Rams last season.
More on this story as it develops.
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He won't sign for league min...and he isn't a former Jet..sorry people, he aint for us.
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but I highly doubt we'll go after him. What was the phrase... oh yeah "He isn't a Jet", lol
This isn't aimed at you, it is simply something I want to comment on.
The bringing in a number of former Jets players is a good thing.
No, they may not be the best players in the world, but it serves a purpose.
First, it gives Mangini some familiar faces....provides a comfort level for him...and that is important no matter what anybody says.
Even more important, it puts a few guys in the trenches to field the natural questions that arise when a new boss enters the picture.
It allows some real information from a players perspective to flow rather than a bunch of speculation to flow.
Other than the top players on the team, most of the guys have to be on pins and needles. Most of those guys are trying to hold the highest paying job they will ever have.
It's one thing for a coaching staff to communicate what to expect. It's another to hear it from a peer. Especially after releasing or trading a few players that were pretty high profile....something the staff probably figured out was going to happen pretty early in the evaluation process.
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This is why your BS u spew is virtually ignored by anyone who means anything...
U need a serious break big guy... 
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You know we have signed two non-former Jets already right?
You act like all we have and will sign is Jets.
Get over yourself.
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 Are you saying what im saying ain't true? Sorry dude, im not a homer, like so many on here. I'm a fan, call'em like I see'em. I'm not gonna sugar coat crap, you honestly think we're gonna sign him? Cuz we both know the answer!
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Did you happen to see the last signing of a free agent? Where did he play? It's one thing to "call em like you see em", but you are seeing things that aren't there.
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It's best just to ignore him. He's negative about EVERYTHING.
My everyday experience on this board is much brighter since I used the ignore feature on a few people.
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Other than a slightly negative tone, which is sometimes hard to read properly on the Internet, what did he say that was wrong? We aren't gonna sign Holt and he isn't a Jet. Can't get much closer to the truth than that.....
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Sorry dude, im not a homer, like so many on here. I'm a fan, call'em like I see'em.
I think what he's getting at is that you seem to see everything as Black & White, or more accurately, Bleak & White. Bleak being anything the team does and most players on it while White being what you think.
It's no big deal really. It's who you've always been. At least you're consistant.
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Sorry dude, im not a homer, like so many on here. I'm a fan, call'em like I see'em.
I think what he's getting at is that you seem to see everything as Black & White, or more accurately, Bleak & White. Bleak being anything the team does and most players on it while White being what you think.
It's no big deal really. It's who you've always been. At least you're consistant.
So.... if your using team success since 1999 as the measure. He's right alot more than he's wrong. Believe me I get no joy in hilighting this fact, this team makes more bad decisions than good. The record speaks for it's self. 
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Believe me I get no joy in hilighting this fact, this team makes more bad decisions than good. The record speaks for it's self.
I agree......but wait till this whole thing pans out and the draft and second round of FA is over...not to mention giving this staff a complete season before we start throwing stones at what this FO and staff are doing.
We have no idea (at this point) what or how this team will mold or shape into yet.
We have not had a draft or the 2nd FA and even played a game to see if this approach is working.....yet we are going on past failures to say this is where we are going this time.
We cant assume that at this point.....you have got to let this shape out and put a season under our belts before we say this whole process is a wash.
Give it time....
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Has any team shown interest in him yet?
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I hear a lot of Dallas fans clamoring over him. I don't expect him to be on the market for long unless he wants a huge and long-term contract.
If the separation issue is true about him, he might not be worth it as you can't be a #1 or a compliment to a #1 by not being a possession or over-the middle receiver. I dont think that is him.
He'd me a good short-term weapon. It's not like the Rams have a great qb back there either.
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I'm a fan, call'em like I see'em.
U couldn't call if it was a 900 number listed in your phone for free 
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that incident happened at 7am.,. No charges filed,, routine blood test when there is a death.. so far, no proof or even a hint that stallworth was in the wrong.. and if he was, what's to say it wasn't just an accident... they do happen you know..
So if we go for holt, I doubt this is a reason for it... JMO however.
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with jerry you never know, but doubt dallas would take him...bigger needs since Roy, Crayton, Witten and Hurd are not exactly chumps.
anyways....here's another tidbit on the Holt release
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Believe me I get no joy in hilighting this fact, this team makes more bad decisions than good. The record speaks for it's self.
But this team has no record. As Deepsouth said they've barely even gotten started.
It's a bit early to declare them all idiots headed in the wrong direction. Especially when one admittedly has absolutely no idea what that direction is. The last regime were all idiots and every decision they made as well as most every player sucked. Now this regime, who just walked in the door, are all idiots and every decision they make as well as every player they bring in sucks.
It's not about knowing anything. It's simply about calling the FO and coach idiots and pointing out that every player sucks.
That's the take in a nutshell. It always has been.
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This team has no record? I see it a little different. Who was in charge of the last regime? Randy Lerner Who was in charge of the regime before that? Randy Lerner Who is in charge of this regime? See where my anger lies? What other than an accident of birth has this silver spoon baby ever done to warrant confidence in this disfuntional organization? He's so media shy when he's forced to give pressers there no recording allowed. IMO goofy. He gives Butch a big contract then fires him. He gives Savage and Romeo a big contract then fires them.The team set a record for incompetence with no TDs in ages Then he's dumping average Joes from the office. His latest savior is apparently fixated on Jet castoffs and salaries. If I'm a bit skeptical of his current bunch of bananas IMO it's for good reason. If they win I'll gladly eat my words but when a body of work such as Randy has delivered here stinks this badly it pretty hard for me to get excited over a new season. I'll believe it when I see it I'm angry because not only does this team not win they are so pitiful they're not even entertaining to watch. Remember Tomlin snicking "Cleveland" when Grossi asked him a Q after the super bowl.  No freee passes this time around.This franchise is a joke until they prove otherwise and the man responsibile is Rany Lerner.
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I think you need a new team
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Who was in charge of the last regime? Randy Lerner
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What other than an accident of birth has this silver spoon baby ever done to warrant confidence in this disfuntional organization?
He has turned around another professional sports organization in Aston Villa, but since that is soccer I am sure that does not matter to you. He has a MO where he hires knowledgeable people to run his organizations and then lets them do it. He choose wrong in his first time out in Cleveland and right in first time out in Aston Villa. There is nothing to suggest that he did choose wrong the second time in Cleveland. it is way to early to tell.
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He gives Butch a big contract then fires him.
Only half correct.
Daddy Gave Butch a big contract. Randy Fired him. I suppose you are mad at him for correcting Al Lerners Mistake.
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So then are you saying that he should not have fired them, or that he should not have shown confidence in them while they were here?
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Then he's dumping average Joes from the office. His latest savior is apparently fixated on Jet castoffs and salaries.
Why is signing former jets bad? I fail to see the correlation between sirnign Players who previously played for the jets and being a bad talent evaluator, and should we not worry about the salary cap?
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If I'm a bit skeptical of his current bunch of bananas IMO it's for good reason. If they win I'll gladly eat my words but when a body of work such as Randy has delivered here stinks this badly it pretty hard for me to get excited over a new season. I'll believe it when I see it
Being skeptical about the new regime is probably the most intelligent thing you said. They are new and there is no record or data on how the new regime will proceed. Crucifying them 2 months into the job before they have played a single meaningful down is a bit premature. But to wait and see would require patience.
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I'm angry because not only does this team not win they are so pitiful they're not even entertaining to watch. Remember Tomlin snicking "Cleveland" when Grossi asked him a Q after the super bowl.
No freee passes this time around.This franchise is a joke until they prove otherwise and the man responsibile is Rany Lerner.
Yet you are not willing to wait long enough to see if the new regime is going to produce results. You already have your torch and pitchfork out.
I get it. You are so tired and frustrated about the losing that you fabricate what happened in the past, so that it will fit nicely into your rage and anger at the team. Apparently you have never made a mistake and had a second chance at something. I think Lerner at the very least deserves a second chance to choose his front office personnel, because if you go off history and not your deluded version of it, this is his second chance, and not his third or fourth as you seem to be implying.
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