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In the words of Jim Morrisson, "I've been down so very dang long, that it looks like up to me." I think things are looking up though, Mangini was reported to quiz players about opponents.
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In the words of Jim Morrisson, "I've been down so very dang long, that it looks like up to me." I think things are looking up though, Mangini was reported to quiz players about opponents.
link?
seriously... I want to read the article
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In the words of Jim Morrisson, "I've been down so very dang long, that it looks like up to me." I think things are looking up though, Mangini was reported to quiz players about opponents.
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seriously... I want to read the article
It's not an article, it's a quote from song lyrics by Jim Morrison of the Doors. The song is "Been Down So Long".
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This team has no record? I see it a little different.
What hungryhound said. ^^^
It's this new regime who has no record.
If you want to talk about and be disappointed with the football team as a business then you are talking about Randy Lerner who doesn't have a great record as an owner.
If you want to talk about the football team as a team then you are talking about Kokinis and Mangini who have no record here.
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Mangini was reported to quiz players about opponents.
I htink he meant that part. I would like ot see that article too. Because I was under the impression Mangini was waiting to talk to all the guys at once.
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It's not an article, it's a quote from song lyrics by Jim Morrison of the Doors. The song is "Been Down So Long".
To be fair, the phrase originates from the 1966 book "Been Down So Long" by Richard Farina. Jim Morrison got the inspiration for the song from the book. Sorry, OT I know, but it is one of my top 5 favorite books.
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After the Stallworth fiasco, I really wanna go after Holt.
I don't care how old he is, he can still go and he wouldn't be the #1 here.
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I guess THAT would be an upgrade. 
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There is nothing to suggest that he did choose wrong the second time in Cleveland. it is way to early to tell.
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So the only good players are ex jets?
Geese why so hostile? Look you apparently like Randy and trust his judgement. I don't. All this pitchfork stuff is silly. The Browns are going to play this season. I'll continue to buy tickets.Randy IS the CEO does't matter what either one of us think. If howerver you would like to back up your rather snide remarks and take the Browns to win the Steeler games I would be happy ( really) to pay off and a little sad to take your money. I'm not getting my hopes up for this team again until they prove something.We'll find out whos right when the games are played. It's that simple. 
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So the only good players are ex jets
The good players are Still with the Jets! What the Browns are getting is their castoffs (older players that save the team money and get 'em outta town at the same time)  JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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Didn't the Cards, the Super Bowl Cards, just get one of our castoff's at RB? 
It's not about castoffs going downhill. It's about players who fill needs. The Jets may not have need of Barton, but because he's coming here, he's not an upgrade for us, eh? Think the Jets wouldn't love to have either Anderson or Quinn right now?
Let's not confuse players that go from one team to another as good or bad simply because of which team they are going to. Each team has different needs based on different salary cap situations and draft scenario's.
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After the Stallworth fiasco, I really wanna go after Holt.
I don't care how old he is, he can still go and he wouldn't be the #1 here.
How can we? We just gave Stallworthless(on the field) a $4.5 million dollar bonus, when we coulda cut him. But, we cut Shaffer, who created alot of dead money.
Holt is exactly what we need, a good #2, a veteran leader who can still produce.
I just don't see it, it seems we'd rather keep Stallworth around at ridiculous money and take a big cap hit over a decent RT. I will never get why we gave Stallworth a $4.5 mil bonus, a guy who was never healthy or productive, and cut JJ over health, and Shaff over production. There isn't any football or cap logic in it, maybe its pure financial.
Anybody seen info on who is courting Holt?
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I'm not saying that All of the pickups are castoffs (I like Barton). I was just replying to the remark that the only good players are ex-jets. As far as BQ or DA to the Jets are concerned, I'm hoping that a three-way deal for Cutler will make that happen! JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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there were a few articles that mentioned we were stuck with Stallworth because of his contract but did not provide details.
then, considering we cut / restructured many veterans who were not performing to their contracts, I would assume that something in the nature of Stallworth's contract stopped us from being able to cut him without paying it.
was it guaranteed like DA's or some other provision?
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HAD to have been,....why else are we keeping this non-performer ??
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there were a few articles that mentioned we were stuck with Stallworth because of his contract but did not provide details.
then, considering we cut / restructured many veterans who were not performing to their contracts, I would assume that something in the nature of Stallworth's contract stopped us from being able to cut him without paying it.
was it guaranteed like DA's or some other provision?
Maybe going to prison is a deal breaker! Do ya think this will remove our cap-hit, or allow us to recoup some of that bonus we gave him? Go Brownies!!!!
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After the Stallworth fiasco, I really wanna go after Holt.
I don't care how old he is, he can still go and he wouldn't be the #1 here.
How can we? We just gave Stallworthless(on the field) a $4.5 million dollar bonus, when we coulda cut him. But, we cut Shaffer, who created alot of dead money.
Holt is exactly what we need, a good #2, a veteran leader who can still produce.
I just don't see it, it seems we'd rather keep Stallworth around at ridiculous money and take a big cap hit over a decent RT. I will never get why we gave Stallworth a $4.5 mil bonus, a guy who was never healthy or productive, and cut JJ over health, and Shaff over production. There isn't any football or cap logic in it, maybe its pure financial.
Anybody seen info on who is courting Holt?
If Stallworth is prosecuted for Vehicular Homicide he will most likely do jail time and the Browns will probably get the bonus money back.
We cut JJ because of a few things. 1) he was getting paid 2.5mil. 2) he was injured all of 2008. 3) he planed on retiring after 2008, so the possibility of him retiring after 2009 would be high. Do you want to pay for a guy that wasn't able to get on the field for the entire season the money he was making to not be a part of your long term future?
Kevin was still making Left Tackle $$ to be an average Right Tackle.
We are under the cap, I'd try and see if we can get a 1yr deal for Holt done as an insurance policy, worst case senario you have Braylon, Holt and Donte.
Also, not directing this at you but I'm a little confused how everyone talks about Stallworth and how he had a bad 2008. Ummmm........so did every Cleveland Brown not named Shaun Rodgers. There wasn't a single player on the team excluding Shaun that played to the level of 2007. Hense the 5th pick in the draft.
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yes, the 4.75 million was guaranteed to stallworth. we all thought it was great, that it was essentially a one year deal, but somehow, someway, we guaranteed roster bonuses to DA and stallworth. makes no real sense as it kinda defeats the purpose of a roster bonus.
anyways, with the recent happenings, it looks pretty likely that the browns can recoup the bonus money paid to stallworth (yes i know he's innocent before proven guilty but there is supposed to be footage of him going around another car at a red light so it doesn't even matter if he was DUI or not, same punishment in Florida).
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Edwards played better than Stallworth did,....
 Did I somehow say he didn't? I'm confused?
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Edwards played better than Stallworth did,....
You're kinda arguing the virtues of Horse Crap vs. Mule Crap there.
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Atleast BE was on the field and not on IR due to a cold sore. I believe Donte got a roster bonus, therefore it wasn't guranteed. He only gets that money if he makes it on the roster past a certain date.
I know that cutting Donte would make a significant amount of dead cap room. But we aren't using the $20+ million we have. Why not take the hit now, and move on. Instead we decided we'd rather make dead space over Shaff, who was making decent money, but not crazy money.
Also, if you get rid of DA, that also trims off alot of cap space, therefore freeing up even more room for the dead money created by Stallworth.
IMO I woulda used the dead space on a worthless player before a producing player.
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Also, not directing this at you but I'm a little confused how everyone talks about Stallworth and how he had a bad 2008. Ummmm........so did every Cleveland Brown not named Shaun Rodgers. There wasn't a single player on the team excluding Shaun that played to the level of 2007. Hense the 5th pick in the draft.
Joe Thomas, DQ, Brodney Pool, Eric Wright, Eric Steinbach, Jerome Harrison.....all had great years. All were hurt by the bums playing with them.
For instance, take the Eagles game. The Eagles bring 3 men off the left side on an overload. Doresy never sees it presnap, doesnt keep Jamal in to protect, doesnt slide Dinkins over to help.
Trent Cole gets a sack, and half of Browns nation thinks Joe Thomas did something wrong. Even now, there is a large segment of fans who don't think Joe Thomas is good. Yet he's on of the the best LT's in the game. Mike Mayock said "the best" when he was comparing this years OT class to the pro's
The same went for DQ, Pool, and our corners who get alot of crap from fans. Our corners are so much better than the fans give them credit for. They play a defense that gets absolutely no pass rush, leaving them out to dry every pas play.
Stallworth was not only a bum, but a pansy, and now a killer.
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Did I somehow say he didn't? I'm confused?
Sorry,...I was just poking at Stallworth because Edwards actually played and/or -- be it poorly -- contributed more than Stallworth did.
We're all questioning everyone's every move, word, and intention while having no idea where any of this is going to lead. In my view, they're both expendable in the implied order,...1 StalledWorthLess,...2 No-Hands. I won't be heartbroken if they're both gone, but Edwards would be a greater loss, if there is such a thing,.....
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Wouldn't that be addition by subtraction after multiplying the production and then dividing what you lost by what you gained....if we lost BE and Stally?
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Joe Thomas, DQ, Brodney Pool, Eric Wright, Eric Steinbach, Jerome Harrison .....all had great years. All were hurt by the bums playing with them.
We will have to disagree on that. None of those guys had a great year. Some hade a decent year but I'd call none of their play GREAT as the whole season goes. Shaun Rodgers is the only one that had a Great year.
I saw Wright miss many open feild tackles. Harrison had a few shining moments but the guy can't pass block. Stienbach did not play as well as he did in 2007.
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For instance, take the Eagles game. The Eagles bring 3 men off the left side on an overload. Doresy never sees it presnap, doesnt keep Jamal in to protect, doesnt slide Dinkins over to help.
Trent Cole gets a sack, and half of Browns nation thinks Joe Thomas did something wrong. Even now, there is a large segment of fans who don't think Joe Thomas is good. Yet he's on of the the best LT's in the game. Mike Mayock said "the best" when he was comparing this years OT class to the pro's
OK, IDK who this large segment is because most of the people I talk with love JT as well as I do but you point out one game......what about the Houston game. IMO Joe had a less than stellar game agains Williams that game.
I'm not saying they were bad, but none of them had a great year. But maybe great to you is different than me. To me great is "Wow....did you see what that guy did. That guy is amazing????" and you say that to yourself and others through out the entire season.
For me...Shaun Rodgers is the only one that consistantly impressed me game in and game out.
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Atleast BE was on the field and not on IR due to a cold sore.
Yes, and that allowed BE to rack up more Passes Defensed than any other WR in the NFL.
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If Stallworth is prosecuted for Vehicular Homicide he will most likely do jail time and the Browns will probably get the bonus money back.
I would just like to mention that Leonard Little of the St. Louis Rams killed a woman while driving drunk and served only 90 days in jail.
If Stallworth's blood comes back clean there is no way he goes to jail.
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I believe Donte got a roster bonus, therefore it wasn't guranteed. He only gets that money if he makes it on the roster past a certain date.
Yes he did...To the tune of 4.75+M...That $$$ is included in our Cap...And has been ever since the NEW League Year started in February...And it WAS Guaranteed...Where u been???...If you're gonna spout off...At least pay attention to the rollin' ball so u can speak intelligently...
Now that he has his trouble we have NO CLUE what's gonna happen...But I can tell ya' this...If we RELEASE Stallworth...WE STILL TAKE THE WHOLE HIT...Doesn't matter if he's on the roster or not...The NFL would have to step in and give us some kind of "Exemption" due to circumstances...DON'T COUNT ON IT...Stallworth's Cap Hit as of Friday will be the same come December...Unfortunate...But u don't hand out 5M RB's to players u might release later...
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Also, if you get rid of DA, that also trims off alot of cap space, therefore freeing up even more room for the dead money created by Stallworth.
Exactly how much space would we save by getting rid of Anderson???...
U ain't even remotely close to the right ballpark chief...
Quit bitchin' and WATCH what happens...You're one of those impatient ones...Yeah Yeah...I know...We've SUCKED since 99...One of these times CHANGE is gonna work...And these guys are off to a great start by NOT blowin' major wad on FREE AGENTS...AGAIN...
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If Stallworth's blood comes back clean there is no way he goes to jail.
Agreed - or at least the worst case scenario is likely to only be a very short stay.
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harsh but hilarious post. that said, if stallworth is charged, we can recoup the bonus money. if we recoup, does anyone know what this does to our cap? does it act as if the 4.75 was never part of it or does it still count and we just get the actual money back? i ask because the silver lining could be that we're 4.75 richer in our cap space.
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I think his bonus money was 100% guaranteed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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harsh but hilarious post.
that said, if stallworth is charged, we can recoup the bonus money. if we recoup, does anyone know what this does to our cap? does it act as if the 4.75 was never part of it or does it still count and we just get the actual money back? i ask because the silver lining could be that we're 4.75 richer in our cap space.
Yep,...way better to have the space than the actual cash. Weird to say, huh ?? Of course, it's not our cash.
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If we had gotten rid of DA before his roster bonus, he would have saved us a nice penny.
Yeah, Yeah, your a homer...your the same dude who said "mark it Pioli is a Brown" and rah rah, all these moves are great, everything the Browns do is awesome.
I too am happy we didnt blow a wade on FA's, I am unhappy that we didnt spend some of our money on decent players that would fit here. Instead we signed a bunch of NYJ BUMS, with the exception being Barton.
And then we cap it off by cutting Shaffer for no reason whatsoever. I'll repeat, the best thing would have been for the Browns to cut Donte, take the hit, and move on. But that can't happen now, unless he gets in serious trouble, because we've already created dead cap space.
But I know no matter what EM and his side kick Kok does, you will be happy and just put it on the "it's all their plan" tab.
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If we had gotten rid of DA before his roster bonus, he would have saved us a nice penny.
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that said, if stallworth is charged, we can recoup the bonus money.
Says who???
I don't care about Lerner's wallet...Nor should anyone...I care about the CAP...
Did Dallas get any Cap relief after signing Jones and having him continue to be the ass he is???
What about Tank Johnson and the Bears???...After he got suspended...
Who else has been suspended or released during the LEAGUE YEAR???...And did that team get any relief???
That ain't how it works...
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Should not revise history.
Last Regime (Savage/RAC) was the first that Randy put together and that was with pretty much 2 years as owner and wet behind the ears.
Sorry the Regime before that "IN CHARGE" was Carmen Policy.
Just a note....and little history lesson. Randy who was heavily involved with the family business - Sold their interest back in 2006. After that he has spent much more time learning the ins and outs of the operations and has taken his interest here as a PRIORITY...especially after the moves made in his other franchise and love were quite successful and running well.
Last Regime Randy put together - he relied heavily on Collins - Carmen Policies hand picked replacement, for advice in putting it together - of course Collins had a lot of experience in that department.
This time he spent hours n hours in NY with Ernie Accorsi and getting advice from him in the process.
He gives the contract and fires....cause he rewarded - and then he showed that he isn't afraid to "LOSE" money when - They, Savage n RAC split apart.
Randy lost money...not us. It came from his pockets as they had guaranteed contracts.
From what I understand and I'm not an expert on this stuff...I think we are one of the few teams not raising Ticket prices this year???
I see Randy not as a problem nor holding this team back in anyway. I see a pretty dedicated Owner who wants the Browns to rise to prominence.
JMHO - just remember I'm sure Randy took a big, big hit over the last 6 months in his finances. He's not going to want to "LOSE" money by making the wrong hirings in a while. We got these guys for the full length of their contracts. And I'm sure he'll wait till year 3 before talking extension to them.
JMHO - I like Randy a lot. I'm glad he's our Owner 
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Major difference between being HAPPY and UNDERSTANDING...
If maybe u quit bitchin' and THINK...U might just find some silver lining that escapes u right now...
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put it on the "it's all their plan" tab.
I really can't wave the wand and make u see it too...Sorry...
You'll come around in a couple years after we've weeded the CRAP from this team and drafted some top players...And at the same time signed MID LEVEL Free Agents...
AFTER that...U might see a BIG SPLASH in FA to put us over the top...
U guys kill me...U have NO FORWARD SIGHT...It's always NOW...lmao...
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I don't care about Lerner's wallet...Nor should anyone...I care about the CAP...
CHILL. if you read all of my post, you'd know that my post was in the interest of the cap as well. read the last sentence.
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i ask because the silver lining could be that we're 4.75 richer in our cap space.
as far as "says who," any type of behavior such as DUIs and other endangering behaviours (hell biking, you should know, and skiing top the list) that can prevent play time is standard for recouping bonus money. that said, the nature of my question is to know, if we recouped that bonus money, if we get that taken off the cap as well. you did not come close to answering that and i certainly don't need the attitude.
don't worry, i found the answer to my question:
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Normally bonuses earned in March are paid in installments in April and June. If Stallworth is charged and subsequently convicted the Browns could recoup the $4.75 million bonus because of standard language in a contract that protects the club if behavior makes it impossible for a player to honor his contract. For example, the Falcons were able to recoup money from Michael Vick when Vick was imprisoned on dog-fighting charges.
If it gets to that point the Browns might get their bonus money back, but it would still count against the salary cap. The NFL has no mercy when it comes to the cap. Even when Orlando Brown's career was interrupted by a penalty flag thrown by referee Jeff Triplett in 1999, Brown's pro-rated signing bonus continued to count against the Browns in 2000 and 2001.
http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2009/03/16/sports/mj758236.txt
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I stand corrected. My memory failed me.  Happens alot anymore.  But let me ask this. My friends the Luigis reopened my favorite restaurant in 1999 called The Browns. On the menu was a delicious super crab sandwich. I liked The Browns since I was a kid. I know how good it can be so I go 16 times a year. The Luigis hired Chef Palmer. Customers order the super crab sandwich but son of a gun they get a crap sandwich many more times than they get a delicious crab sandwich. Many customers complain and the owners fire Chef Palmer and hire Chef Davis. Again crap sandwiches instead of crab sandwiches show up on the customers plates, so the Chef Davis quits and the Luigis hire Chef Romeo. Last year Chef Romeo serves up 12 crap sandwiches for every 16 crab sandwiches ordered. He gets fired. The Luigis put Chef Mancook is in charge. He was a chef in NY and is bring along his kitchen staff but he was also fired from his last chef gig. Who is responsibile for serving you 10 years of crap sandwiches? Should you not be very careful before you bite into the next sandwich The Browns serve up?
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