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I just wanted to pass this around. I came across it at a Chiefs forum. I have not looked at this site ( http://www.the912project.com/ ) in depth, but I figured since most of you members care about politics I thought this might be a good site for anyone to get more involved in politics as a citizen. To the refs, I apologize if this topic is a violation of any forum rules.
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How, or why, do you pay bonuses to execs who run a failed company ??
We are indeed, done.
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How, or why, do you pay bonuses to execs who run a failed company ??
We are indeed, done.
This comment appears at the bottom of the link and I think it sums up what I would say to that..
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There is outrage on Capitol Hill over the news that AIG which received a $180 billion bailout, plans to go ahead with $165 million in bonus payouts. However the same lawmakers supporting the recent $410 billion Omnibus Spending Bill announced that people just don’t care about a little pork ($7.8 billion) especially since it is such a small percentage of the total. In fact the AIG bonuses are less than 1/10th of 1% of the total bailout they received while the little bit of pork in the Omnibus bill is 1.9% of the total. I don't get it! How can they be outraged over $165 million in bonuses while asserting that $7.8 billion in pork is no big deal?
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I care about Pork...
I care that AIG, now owned 80% by the people of the USA are paying out 165 million in bonuses..
I care that those bonuses are going to those execs in the division associated with insuring bad mortgage loans.
I care that when Bush put through the first 700 billion Stimulus package that he and his people didn't put forth stronger lanquage about such actions.
I care that Obamas team is outraged by this AIG action but I would like to see something happen to stop it. Outrage alone won't fix it.. it's gonna take some kinda action.
These are said to be retention bonuses. Why on earth would you want to retain executives that drove your company into the mess it's in. WHY would you pay them bonuses for ruining AIG.
Contractual oblications my behind,,, Screw that. Let them take AIG to court, but let them hire an attorney while they stand on the unemployment line. They did a lousy job and we are rewarding them?
Obama and his team need to get into this and fix it.
I'm tired of two things (irregardless of party)
People who think it's ok to put PORK in the budget at this time, given our economic situation.
And companies that think it's ok to pay bonuses to anyone after taking bail out money from the people. All while millions of people are losing thier jobs.
Those are two things that tick me off.. there are others.
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“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
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That's a great counter, in terms of the "small percentages."
However, those small percentages represent payments to morons who created the necessity for the entire bailout, at least AIG's. They deserve NO bonus, as compared to performance.
Now as for the pork--no doubt about it, someone is talking out of both sides of their mouth(s).
Until that "changes," we're done.
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People around me are all talking about Civil War----a lot of family members and friends of the family are stocking up on ammo out of fear for what is to come
America lost its way a long time ago---and people are eventually gonna get sick of the government.
I wish to wash my Irish wristwatch......
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I happen to catch Glenn Beck last Friday when initiated the 912 , interesting show ! The guy ( Glenn Beck is a Libertarian hoot ).. There was a bleep on the news a couple of weeks ago about the gun & ammo Company's unable to keep up with demand , and their stock doing well  .. And folks worry about me being in Colombia 
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Stated it in another thread, I know I am looking at a "household" weapon for the first time ever.
(Just think what might happen in the streets if they were to find grounds to impeach Obama---the birth cert comes to mind,....)
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I happen to catch Glenn Beck last Friday when initiated the 912 , interesting show ! The guy ( Glenn Beck is a Libertarian hoot )..
There was a bleep on the news a couple of weeks ago about the gun & ammo Company's unable to keep up with demand , and their stock doing well .. And folks worry about me being in Colombia
Actually, the company's are doing well for 2 reasons....increased demand, and no increase in production.
I've had trouble buying rounds for my varmint rifle.
HP rounds are very tough to find as well.
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What is up with the trend of all these talking heads calling themselves 'libertarian' when they clearly aren't? Bill Maher's been doing it for years, and now you have Beck...who often advocates drug laws.  And it's not just those two...did I miss a meeting? Is saying you're a 'libertarian' the cool thing to do these days?
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I've been doing it for years. Apparently they are following me.  You can be Libertarian in some views and not others. I'm sure you realize that, but it won't fit your need to pick on everyone.
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You can be Libertarian in some views and not others. I'm sure you realize that, but it won't fit your need to pick on everyone.
I've got plenty of views that would align with libertarian beliefs...but I wouldn't describe myself as 'libertarian'.
IMO these guys give themselves this label in an attempt to not be dismissed as partisan, liberal or conservative, etc.
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.. " I've got plenty of views .. " You got to be kidding me ... Like Jules said , there are many different opinions on any given subject that might fall under a libertarian banner 
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You are as far from a Libertarian as they come, please don't make me laugh.
I consider myself closest to Libertarian than any of the other parties and I do embrace far more of the Libertarian platform than some of those calling themselves one in the media. I do not agree with all of the stances the Libertarians take, but still call myself one.
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IMO these guys give themselves this label in an attempt to not be dismissed as partisan, liberal or conservative, etc.
I believe that is true... if you call yourself a libertarian, you are free to rail against both parties and claim independence... my guess is that most of these guys seldom actually vote libertarian.
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I don't vote Libertarian just because they throw some hack up there and call him one. Just because you don't vote for the Libertarian candidate doesn't mean you aren't one.
One of the biggest problems with the party is that they haven't come up with a viable candidate.
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IMO these guys give themselves this label in an attempt to not be dismissed as partisan, liberal or conservative, etc.
I believe that is true... if you call yourself a libertarian, you are free to rail against both parties and claim independence... my guess is that most of these guys seldom actually vote libertarian.
They can't vote libertarian,...until the system changes, there is no possible way to win.
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You are as far from a Libertarian as they come, please don't make me laugh.
The doctrine stretches across the borders of so many ideologies...left-libertarian, neolibertarian, libertarian conservatism, libertarian socialism.
I mean, there's tenets of the ideology that call for the abolishment of private property. Other branches call for economic freedoms...it runs the gamut.
But you're right...I'm not a 'libertarian' by any stretch...but I would say when you stack it all up, I'm more of one than Maher or Beck.
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I understand that Jules, but how much promotion of libertarian candidates do they do.. even nationally where there have been some good ones now and then?
Usually what I hear is.. "I'm a libertarian so let me tell you what's wrong with republicans" or "I'm a libertarian so let me tell you what's wrong with democrats"...
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I'm not talking about the "branches". There are radical branches to all parties. And those branches are where you hang.
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Any reference to hanging from branches is racist.
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And those branches are where you hang.
FWIW, I'd consider myself one of the most anti-gov't opinions on this board.
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I do that because I think there are many things wrong with both parties. Which is why I'm not a member of either. I don't understand why that's an issue for some of you. It's the way it is.
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Phil, you are anti-everything.
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Usually what I hear is.. "I'm a libertarian so let me tell you what's wrong with republicans" or "I'm a libertarian so let me tell you what's wrong with democrats"...
Exactly.
I can remember in 2000 Maher had a Libertarian candidate on often that he claimed he was voting for...went on to vote for Nader.
For most of these cats, it's a label that safeguards them in a weird way.
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Didn't know discussing it made it an issue for me...
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Until the media recognizes the Libertarians as a viable threat, it will never be.
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Phil, you are anti-everything.
I am very pro-Phil Dawson.
I also take a firm pro-Dave stand on the Roth/Hagar debate.
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Didn't know discussing it made it an issue for me...
You assume that people call themselves Libertarians to feel free to bash both parties. You can, in this country, not be a part of either major party or agree with them. You don't need to pretend to be a Libertarian to do so. 
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You're a libertarian who usually votes Democrat for president. Glenn is one that I believe usually leans Republican. Neither of you really believe in either party. The difference is which candidate fits the views that matter most to you.
Phil, Glenn's views on drugs are not the same across the board. He couldn't care less if pot was legalized. He does go against stances made by both parties. I think he comes down as a "conservative libertarian". People tend to think liberals are Dems or socialists. Conservatives are Republican or Fascists. The term Libertarian is probably a more fitting term than moderate. Sure there is a libertarian Party but that doesn't mean they stand for people who consider themselves Libertarian.
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He couldn't care less if pot was legalized.
I've seen him on many occasions (once in the last two or three weeks), speak about the ills of marijuana and refuting those who want full legalization...he usually goes into his recovering addict speech before suddenly realizing that it goes against his 'libertarian' principles...that guy's fun to watch because he'll trip over himself in an instant.
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He does go against stances made by both parties.
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I think he comes down as a "conservative libertarian"
I think he comes down as a not-so-staunch neoconservative. He isn't partisan to any one party, but he does get trapped in ideologies. Most of the time, he'll let his opposition speak. He has a fair record with letting voices be heard.
...in recent weeks, he's been acting like a fear propagandist.
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You assume that people call themselves Libertarians to feel free to bash both parties.
No sweetheart, I said I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't the reason behind some of these talking heads claiming to be Libertarian... I did not mean to imply any ulterior motives on the average Libertarian... 
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You assume that people call themselves Libertarians to feel free to bash both parties.
No sweetheart, I said I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't the reason behind some of these talking heads claiming to be Libertarian... I did not mean to imply any ulterior motives on the average Libertarian...
Please don't be so condescending by using the term "sweetheart." It just shows how sexist you staunch conservatives are. Plus (more importantly) Jules has never been mistaken for anything close to being a "sweetheart". I can replace that name will several vulgar ones that most people think fit better. 
Yes, I know this post has nothing to do with anything...I just wanted to get Jules to "notice" me again. 
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Thanks for pointing that out sugar britches.
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