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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3984684The Jacksonville Jaguars have released receiver Matt Jones, an NFL source told ESPN's Chris Mortensen on Monday. The former Arkansas player was charged with cocaine possession in July. He was suspended for the last three games of the 2008 season for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy. In a plea deal, Jones entered a program that emphasizes treatment. Jones was released a day early from jail Saturday during a weeklong stay for drinking beer in violation of his plea agreement for the drug charge. The Jaguars picked Jones in the first round of the NFL draft in 2005. Before his suspension last season, Jones was having the best year of his career, with 65 catches for 761 yards and two touchdowns.
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A lot of talent and a little brain.
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Just say NO  to Druggies!!!  JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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I agree. This guys has had his chances and he keeps screwing up. It's a shame, because he is so talented.
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This is that guy that played QB at Arkansas, isn't it ?
I say no because of the drugs. If clean, here WAS a guy who could free up roster spots. (#3 QB, maybe replace Edwards, fill the JJ hole, dump Stallworth, etc. etc.)
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Yeah, he's that guy.. too bad he couldn't get and stay clean..
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I think that it is incredibly stupid that drinking a beer gets you a probation violation.
At least he wasn't doing coke---and if he wants to drink a beer and play some golf----LIKE THOUSANDS OF NORMAL PEOPLE DO EVERYDAY...I don't see a problem.
The fact that the court system places stupid restrictions like this on offenders has a lot to do with the reason they stay offenders. I mean seriously..........can't drink a beer!!!!
Ridiculous.
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At least he wasn't doing coke---and if he wants to drink a beer and play some golf----LIKE THOUSANDS OF NORMAL PEOPLE DO EVERYDAY...I don't see a problem.
It was coke that got him the parole restrictions in the first place.
Jones is a moron with limited talent and a lousy work ethic.
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I think that it is incredibly stupid that drinking a beer gets you a probation violation.
At least he wasn't doing coke---and if he wants to drink a beer and play some golf----LIKE THOUSANDS OF NORMAL PEOPLE DO EVERYDAY...I don't see a problem.
The fact that the court system places stupid restrictions like this on offenders has a lot to do with the reason they stay offenders. I mean seriously..........can't drink a beer!!!!
Ridiculous.
Pick on the real issue Ty,...you don't have a problem with him using coke in the first place anyway, right ??
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I don't really have a prob with that---but the alcohol issue is even dumber.
I had a friend that was on probation for drugs awhile back and I thought it was ridiculous that he couldn't drink a beer.
I think that its kinda dumb to prosecute people over a couple beers when they are staying away from whatever other dependence they had. They are staying clean---then you pop 'em over a couple beers---that is stupid and just another way to keep you in the system. And IMO the system is a joke. Policies like this prove that it is.
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I think we can sit here and debate all day and all night about whether it is right or wrong to restrict alcohol use when you're on probation.
But, the fact of the matter is he was not allowed to use alcohol while on probation. He violated that. That's just about as easy as it gets.
In life, there is a little thing that many people don't understand. It's called "consequences." The Judge told him not to drink alcohol. Whether he agreed with that or not, it's the rule. So, he chose to drink. Hence, there are consequences.
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The way I read the link says "offenders" AGREE to the terms of the probation,...
We might think to a degree, the "lower level" of abuse (beer vs. coke) is insane, but when the offender violates an agreement he MADE WITH HIS OWN SELF, tells me enough about his character to warrant not wanting him as my QB (edited--or WR),....when you have the world by the balls, you tighten that jock up. Now the choice he has made has loosened his jock to the point he lost his livelihood.
Sorry, I just have lines I don't cross.
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At any rate---I'm here to say that that is ridiculous.
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if he wasn't snorting coke, then he could have drank a few beers with friends and not have had a probation to violate.
Don't do drugs...then, you won't have to suffer whatever consequences are applied whether you agree with them or not.
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At any rate---I'm here to say that that is ridiculous.
No it isn't, not by any stretch of the imagination. He was given a choice... and he chose to accept the terms of the probation. You do not get to cherry pick the rewards you've earned. He chose the probation, thus he agreed to no unapproved substances, one of which was alcohol and he was aware of and in full knowledge of this. It is a part of the standard probation process.
Him choosing to ignore that and further choosing to violate his probation makes HIM stupid and ridiculous (and childish and immature) - NOT the system or the terms of his probation.
Ditto for your views of your friend's probation. It is not ridiculous that he was not permitted to drink alcohol, it is ridiculous that you think he had any right to drink it after agreeing to the court's terms to not to drink it.
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I tend to not agree with the court in this situation---and I believe I am right in not doing so. Sooner or later the people in this nation will wake up and get sick of this ridiculous "system."
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Sooner or later you'll realize that it doesn't matter if you agree with the court or not... HE DID, which means that he is bound by that agreement.
And no, the people of this country have nothing to wake up to in this regard. He screwed up, but was shown mercy and given a choice of jail time or probation - he chose probation... then he chose to violate it. How is that anything, in any way, that anyone should get up in arms over?
Unless you're an immature child that is just upset that you're not getting your way, I don't see how it could be anything to get upset over at all.
He CHOSE the probation, then he CHOSE to get busted for violating it, which means that by extension he CHOSE to end his NFL career.
It's his own damned fault for not being mature/adult enough to be thinking through his choices before acting on them.
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He was coerced into probation. He was targeted as a free thinker, and he is now paying for it cause the government doesn't like people who can successfully buck the system. Its all about government control.
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Uh huh... I think perhaps you're one toke over the line on Delusional Blvd.
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He was coerced into probation. He was targeted as a free thinker, and he is now paying for it cause the government doesn't like people who can successfully buck the system. Its all about government control.
But it would be OK if you had all the control to do whatever you wish at whatever cost to society ?? Where's your middle ground ?
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Really wanted him in the 4th round when he came out, was shocked he got drafted in the first. I wouldn't mind giving the guy league minimum for a year. 
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Definitely, I'd love Matt Jones. I just wonder how many games he'll probably be suspended before he sees the field. He would be an option that I would definitely consider. Good hands and talented. Braylon, Jones, and Stallworth would be great for DA, if that's our route.
Either way, I'd go for him at league min in a heartbeat
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I really hope this is not serious.
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He served a 3 game suspension at the end of the season for what happened during the summer, I believe.
That means that he is now eligible for a 1 year suspension by the league. With the jags releasing him, that means that they are either just washing their hands of the PR nightmare that keeping him would be, or they believe that the suspension is likely -- or both.
The ONLY way I see him getting signed is if the Commish makes it known that he won't be handing out the 1 year suspension. If he even farts wrong after this, then you can all but guarantee that the Commish will hammer him.
There's no point in a team taking that sort of risk at this stage.
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He served a 3 game suspension at the end of the season for what happened during the summer, I believe.
That means that he is now eligible for a 1 year suspension by the league. With the jags releasing him, that means that they are either just washing their hands of the PR nightmare that keeping him would be, or they believe that the suspension is likely -- or both.
The ONLY way I see him getting signed is if the Commish makes it known that he won't be handing out the 1 year suspension. If he even farts wrong after this, then you can all but guarantee that the Commish will hammer him.
There's no point in a team taking that sort of risk at this stage.
Same goes for the Browns,.... 
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He was coerced into probation. He was targeted as a free thinker, and he is now paying for it cause the government doesn't like people who can successfully buck the system. Its all about government control.
Ahh, I don't think that's even close to correct.. its more about the laws of the land.. he did drugs, he got caught, he pleaded guilty, he was paying his debt and then broke an agreement with the powers that be. An agreement that he entered into of his own free will.
If you don't like the laws, fight to change them.. but don't blame the laws because someone was too freakin stupid to obey them and got caught..
Illegal Drugs are a stupid thing to get involved with.... and yeah, not only is it the law, it's also my opinion.
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j/c...wow - him and John Daly what is it with these good ole boys from Arkansas. They get money in their pockets and all they want to do is party!
Right now he's obviously "SICK" and its past the point of maturity. He's got to hit "HIS" Rock Bottom (everyone has their own plateau of bottom) and then cure himself!
If and when that happens...and he wants to make a comeback...I wouldn't mind looking at him and giving him a chance...as long as his skills didn't erode that much.
But until then...he's going to continue messing up...why bother.
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Can't say I disagree with a word of that Eo.. sounds right to me..
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I'm confused. This beer drinking doesn't violate the NFL policy does it? He'll only have to deal with a probation violation. That should be no big deal. I suspect there's more to this. If there is nothing else I'd take him. 65 catches! He's not an ex jet but maybe he'd come cheap legal problems and all.. We could cut/trade that other pain in the ... and draft Crabtree or Maclin at 5.
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the kid has talent but his off the field issues make me say NO WAY!!!
if he was to keep out of trouble, and dedicate himself to the team then i would say offer him a one year deal at leauge min. to prove his worth
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I think we can sit here and debate all day and all night about whether it is right or wrong to restrict alcohol use when you're on probation.
But, the fact of the matter is he was not allowed to use alcohol while on probation. He violated that. That's just about as easy as it gets.
In life, there is a little thing that many people don't understand. It's called "consequences." The Judge told him not to drink alcohol. Whether he agreed with that or not, it's the rule. So, he chose to drink. Hence, there are consequences.
It is stupid to tell an adult he cant have a legal beer. Yeah, some careless adults need to be told when not to drink or when enough is enough. But if its legal, whats the problem? A guy can have 16 DUIs, drink at home and never get caught breaking probation. Either way, Jones is an idiot and needs some help. I think anyone deserves a second chance. Alcoholism and drug addiction is an illness. I wouldnt turn away someone because of an illness unless he agreed to me not to do it carelessly and so it doesnt affect his work, then he goes back on his word. A persons word is more important to me then what he does in his spare time.
I think the Jags want to get rid of him anyways because he isnt living up to his 1st round pick expectations. That on top of negaitve publicity, SEE YA. Dallas didnt do this with Michael Irvan because he did live up to his expections. Hopefully he can turn his career around like Cris Carter did.
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But, the fact of the matter is he was not allowed to use alcohol while on probation. He violated that. That's just about as easy as it gets.
It is stupid to tell an adult he cant have a legal beer.
A persons word is more important to me then what he does in his spare time.
He gave his word to the judge that in order to avoid jailtime he was willing to forgoe drinking alcohol for the time of his probation. He went back on his word by drinking. And that beer wasn't legal for him to drink...just like driving isn't legal if you have a suspended license.
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I'm confused. This beer drinking doesn't violate the NFL policy does it? He'll only have to deal with a probation violation. That should be no big deal. I suspect there's more to this. If there is nothing else I'd take him. 65 catches! He's not an ex jet but maybe he'd come cheap legal problems and all.. We could cut/trade that other pain in the ... and draft Crabtree or Maclin at 5.
Not to counterargue, but my guess is that the NFL's substance abuse policy includes alcohol. Agreed that while one beer does not constitute the same,...it did violate his probation on top of the cocaine use.
I say the NFL has the responsibility to ENSURE that NONE of its employees obviate the basic standard.
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He served a 3 game suspension at the end of the season for what happened during the summer, I believe.
That means that he is now eligible for a 1 year suspension by the league. With the jags releasing him, that means that they are either just washing their hands of the PR nightmare that keeping him would be, or they believe that the suspension is likely -- or both.
Why do you think he is up for a one year suspension? This wasn't a violation of the league's drug policy as far as I know. He can suspend him on the basis that he got in trouble with the law. I would think the players union would have a very legit gripe over a years suspension.
I wouldn't touch this guy at all. I remember something about him having other problems in the past. He is big and fast but the positives don't out way the negatives IMO. That being said, I wouldn't count out the Bengals. They have a need at receiver and from their track record they may think he can be rehabilitated.
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well, that would depend upon what the definition of the league's substance abuse policy is.
If they consider a violation to be any banned substance and/or any alcohol &drug related legal offense, then this would most certainly fall under the substance abuse policy.... in which case, he would be looking at the possibility of a one year suspension as it is the next step after the 4 game suspension.
If their policy doesn't take into account alcohol & drug related legal offenses, then no, it would not fall under their auspices and he wouldn't be up for a further suspension.
I ASSume that they do include alcohol/drug related incidents.
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I would assume that failing to meet the terms of one's probation would violate the league's personal conduct policy, although, a person with a violation of the league's substance abuse policy could also find themselves in hot water over the alcohol as well.
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