DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Cutler Miff Part Two

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...he showed some of the same question marks I've had with him @ND

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What question marks?

Sometimes I would wonder why he threw into the area he went to..I wondered if the reciever ran the wrong route or he misread it.
But all in all I think he's a more accurate thower than DA..I did dislike how he was not allowed to go deep when he played last year.

the Herschel Walker deal worked out great..........

for the Cowboys

so...his decision-making? much like DA's 180 straight passes without an INT last season?

simple fact is they both sucked it up last year because the offense sucked. it's been reported that the regime would let the market dictacte which qb to keep if a trade were to occur. looks like the market is for quinn and as long as that helps net us more picks to improve the team, i don't think you'd care too much about DA at quarterback if we're winning or at least competing.

whichever qb is starting is plenty good enough for me. they both have potential and if you refuse to acknowledge that....

I'm gonna say this only once to you..DA sucks in the short/intermediate passing game..always HAS ...always will..doesn't matter how potent the offense is..he can't execute short schemes..
I'm not wasting my time debating you ABOUT the same crap year after year about DA..

He is what he is..and I really don't care what U think about my assessment of him..U guys who want to back him are stubborn and can't see things for what they are.
I get where Toad is coming from but U and some others ...for some odd reason don't see DA is for he is..maybe it's cuz U can't..

anyone else find the humorous irony in his post?

and attack - you meant short game. not intermediate. he's quite good at the intermediate throws. oh and i like how you tried to go back and cover your ass. nice.

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Sometimes I would wonder why he threw into the area he went to

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and how do you get where toad is coming from but not me? i completely agree with him. awww don't be targeting lil ol me...

If it's humorous it's cuz I wasted my keypad typing back to you on a subject that really dead.
There's no argument, nothing you can present that gives any crumb of support for DA..DON'T TRY..
Don't give me any weak lame responses that DA is only going to improve..blah blah blah..
Do I need to post his game by game stats, or show what range he's over 50% completition or what range he's under?????
If there's anyones A$$ I'm gonna cover it's yours and I got a pile of dirt to do it with

"Do we then look at Stafford IF he falls to the 5 spot?"

No doubt in my mind if that is the "IF" case.

We will be taking Sanchez if we take a QB at #5. Even if both are available.

i'm not giving you any lines.

let's just see how you deal if we ship quinn off and name DA the starting qb. i'll be perfectly fine with that.

the best part? if quinn is the starter, i'm fine with that too. so for me, it's win/win. not as much for you. planning on being a donkey fan anytime soon?

and now you changed

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DA sucks in the intermediate passing game..always HAS

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DA sucks in the short/intermediate passing game..always HAS ...always will..doesn't matter how potent the offense is..he can't execute short schemes..

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If the broncos can't get Quinn, or the number 1 pick, I would fire mcdaniels at the end of the year if I were bowlen. How do you run off the best player on your team, at the most important position is beyond me. Even if they get multiple draft picks it's hard to imagine finding a qb as good as Cutler.

I don't change ..this forum's server goes down too much and I can't edit my responses..go back to last year and see if my responses about DA have changed..they haven't.

No Cutler. Period. Just got rid of some attitude. Install a worse one (IMO) and we trade down. This has to stabilize soon.

your posts show if they were edited and when, after the first post at the bottom. just like the bottom of mine. not to mention, i remember what i reply to because, unlike you, i reply to all points. not just the points that i have a shot at winning.

look, you don't have to agree with my opinion on DA nor was it my intent to convince you otherwise. you've proven the "eyes closed, covering the ears, while singing loudly" approach to qbs is the way you want to go so whatever. all i said, if you read PAST the first two sentences was strictly on the market (where demand for quinn is stronger for DA now) and that I would be happy with either qb. instead you jumped on me for no reason.

I think the only way a deal goes down between Denver and Cleveland is if Quinn ends up a Bronco and Cutler a Brown. No matter what is being said, I just can't believe this regime feels comfortable with DA as our starter, and for the life of me, I just can't see starting over again with Stafford or Sanchez - just so Mangini and Co. can have their guy. Do either of those guys project to be better than Quinn and if so, by how much?

I'm thinking that at the end of the day, the asking price is going to be too much, Quinn will be our starter, and DA will be gone in the next few weeks. But make no mistake, I guarantee you we are interested. And we have the most valuable commodity that no other team can offer in Quinn. It's going to be interesting the next few days.

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Anybody else think, that with the new regime's obsession with secrecy (a good thing IMO), Quinn is *off* the trading block now that the Browns have been linked with Cutler?

No. And here is why. IMO.
The Jets need a QB.
We already know that Mangini has an affinity for his former players.
Or so it seems.
We might take a gamble on a three way to get the picks we seem to deperately need.
And use our #5 maybe for a Stafford or Sanchez.
Would that be a downgrade from Quinn?
Hypothetical: Quinn goes to Donks.
We Get Cutler and trade him to Jets for picks.
We do not get the headache of another headcase.
Then we pick up another ? at QB and the battle begins in camp.
Just with different qb's than we expected.
But I know absolutely nothing of such things.
Is it too early to get excited about something....er ... anything.
Might be the only excitement we get this year.

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all indications thus far are that the new staff is not enamored with either QB

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I see this stated on here at times, but have no idea what those "indications" are.

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No, all indications thus far are that the new staff is not enamored with either QB but also believes either QB can be sufficient enough.

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I live right here in NE Ohio,, I read everyting I can get my hands on about the Browns,, I don't know ANYONE that is indicating that,, Not even the media..

Who or what do you know that is indicating that..... Sorry, don't mean to be cruel, but I think that's a load of do do...

I just heard Mort say it on ESPN....sorry...no link....you have to take my word for it.

the original article was a sports illustrated article. i can't find it now but michael lombardi has been barking on that tree for the past couple weeks. there has been debate on the board whether or not this was a leak to drive up DA's value.

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Cleveland Browns: I know that everyone in Cleveland is in love with Brady Quinn, and Notre Dame coach Charlie Weiss has been solidly behind him, which may appeal to McDaniels. Weiss can speak from authority on Quinn’s ability to run the Patriots’ offense — if McDaniels trusts Weiss and his evaluation. George Allen, the former Redskins coach had a great saying: “Evaluate the evaluator,” but that’s what we don’t know. What does McDaniel think of Weiss’ evaluation of Quinn? One thing that’s certain is that new Browns coach Eric Mangini is not sold on Quinn and is not convinced that he’s the Browns’ quarterback of the future — a future that Mangini has been given the authority to control. I think the reason the Browns have an advantage in this race is because they hold a very high pick that would allow McDaniels to get what he wants. Mangini loved the big arm of Brett Favre last year, and he knows Cutler can make the same throws in the same style.

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http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/04/notes-from-lombardi-where-to-next/

Once again....IMHO unless we land Cutler we should stay out of trade talks and use our 5th pick to add the Best player on the board....IF that were a QB (Stafford) we might than be in a position to trade Quinn , Anderson or both(My favorite option) , IF we acquire Cutler or end up selecting Stafford at # 5....As far as Draft Picks go , I have always supported gather extra picks and than using them to consolidate to the best 4 picks possible for example( They should ALL be Day 1 picks....)....

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One thing that’s certain is that new Browns coach Eric Mangini is not sold on Quinn and is not convinced that he’s the Browns’ quarterback of the future — a future that Mangini has been given the authority to control.

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How does SI know what is "for certain"? Because Mangini has stated he will evaluate all players coming in and won't have pre-conceived notions? What does "not sold on" mean, really?

Not of us are completely "sold" on BQ being the future because we don't know how good he'll be in the NFL. We'll know more of what Mangini thinks by draft day.

Seriously..

If we traded Quinn and Corey Williams, I want Cutler, their 2nd and 3rd round pick this year, and their 1st round pick next year...

I actually would probably want more than that..

Redskins Trying to Land Cutler

The Washington Redskins are actively pursuing a trade for disgruntled Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler tonight, according to NFL sources.

One source said the Redskins are trying to complete the deal as quickly as possible although at least two other teams, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New York Jets, are also reportedly interested in acquiring Cutler. The two-year starter became available today when the Broncos announced they would trade him. Denver officials could not be reached for comment tonight.

The Redskins declined comment.

The source said Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder has been pushing for the trade in an attempt to finally solve the team's decades-long pursuit of a franchise quarterback.

Another NFL source said a high-ranking Redskins official contacted one NFL team today about the possibility of trading quarterback Jason Campbell for a second-round pick in the upcoming draft. That source said he interpreted the Redskins' overture as an attempt by Washington to put together a package to acquire Cutler.

Redskins spokesman Zack Bolno denied the team had inquired about dealing Campbell.

Team officials have publicly denied interest in Cutler. Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, said March 17 that the team was not pursuing Cutler and coach Jim Zorn dismissed the notion while meeting with reporters at the NFL owners' meetings in Dana Point, Calif., last week.

If the Redskins fail to acquire Cutler, they risk alienating Campbell, who has been the starter the past two seasons. Campbell, reached earlier today on his cellphone while he was at a charity event, said he wants to stay in Washington.

''I want to be here, I feel like there's a lot I want to accomplish and that's what I've been working to do, but you know it's not in your control,'' Campbell said. ''All I can do is just keep doing what I'm doing, working hard and waiting to see what happens.''

Last season, he was among the main targets of frustrated fans, who questioned his intelligence and leadership skills on Internet message boards and sports-talk radio, during the team's 2-6 second-half collapse after a 6-2 start. The offensive line struggled in pass protection, and the receiving corps did not produce as Snyder and Cerrato hoped, but "everyone always want to blame the quarterback," Campbell said today. "I know I'm improving, I'm working to get better every day, but some people are ... you just know that's the way it is."

After the Redskins failed to qualify for the playoffs, Cerrato declined to commit to Campbell as the quarterback beyond the 2009 season. Zorn has continued to publicly support Campbell, who in only his second full season as a starter last season established personal bests with an 84.3 passer rating, 3,245 yards and 13 touchdown passes while throwing only six interceptions.

Zorn, however, has stopped short of declaring Campbell a "franchise quarterback," saying the former first-round draft pick possesses the skills to become an elite player. Having played in three offensive systems in his first four NFL seasons with Washington, Campbell was eager to begin his second season in Zorn's version of the West Coast offense.

"I was definitely looking forward to being in the same offense for another year and seeing what we could together," Campbell said. "Being in a different system almost every year, you just don't get as comfortable as when you're in the same system for a lot of years. It's just different."

Although Campbell still hopes to be Washington's starting quarterback in fall, "with all the stuff out there, you know crazy stuff happens in this league," he said. "You just have to be ready for anything.

"A bunch of trade talk is what got Cutler mad at Denver, that's the reason all that stuff started with him, but I wouldn't do all that. The thing you understand that there's no loyalty in this game, so you just have to work hard. That's all you can do."

Cutler is one of only three NFL quarterbacks to throw for at least 25 touchdown passes and 4,500 yards last season, and has developed well the past two seasons as a starter, to the point where some believe he is on the cusp of becoming a star. A trade for a young quarterback of his pedigree is somewhat unprecedented, and the Broncos had attempted to repair the frayed relationship between Cutler and rookie head coach Josh McDaniels, not wanting to deal him until determining the situation was beyond repair.

Cutler expressed a desire to leave after the Broncos reportedly pursued a trade for New England quarterback Matt Cassel, whom McDaniels had coached with the Patriots, and the situation deteriorated to the point where Bowlen finally decided to try to trade Cutler.

Cutler was the 11th overall pick in the 2006 draft out of Vanderbilt, and was heralded for his strong arm, size, strength and athleticism. He replaced Jake Plummer as Denver's starter in late November of his rookie season, and finished 2007 as the league's 12th-rated passer. In 2008 he reached the Pro Bowl, but some scouts have pointed to his high interception totals as a cause of concern. He has been intercepted 32 times in 32 games the past two seasons, and threw at least one interception in 13 of his 16 starts last year. Cutler has failed to post a winning record as a starter, although Denver's poor defense certainly played a role in that.

Washington's West Coast offense under Zorn is not identical to what Mike Shanahan ran for Cutler in Denver, although there are similar principles. The Redskins also lack the star wide receivers Cutler worked with in Denver.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskin...redskinsinsider

If I am a starting QB in the league (not named Brady and Manning), I am pissed off at Jay Cutler...

"You are messing w/ my money homie"....

The Jets and Tampa don't have a QB to give em. They gotta be talking 3 way deal.

Zorn, Cerrato, Snyder Spent Huddled All Day In Snyder’s Office

Posted by Mike Florio on April 1, 2009, 10:37 p.m. PFT
We’re told via a short chain of reliable sources that things were interesting this morning in Washington.

As we hear it, Redskins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato was retrieved from draft meetings at roughly 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday to go to owner Daniel Snyder’s office. Not long thereafter, they fetched coach Jim Zorn.

And the three men remained in Snyder’s office into the evening.

The obvious implication? They’re working on this whole Jay Cutler thing.


Would Denver want Jason ? I know Toad like's him ..

I wonder if the Browns will take a shot at Cutler

If were going to do it, we better just do it...I will not be upset if we don't and just go into the season with Quinn and Anderson, but I wouldn't be upset if we got Cutler either.

The main trade I am looking at to happen is the Braylon Edwards trade. I got this hunchy feeling we are going to move him, but it may not be until draft day. If we can get a late 1st or an ealry 2nd+ a 3rd for him...i say pull the trigger

I think the most likely landing place for Edwards is the G-Men...plus I think the G-Men have some defensive help they would be willing to part with to replace Burress with Edwards.

I just think Draft day is going to be very interesting for us...who knows, if we don't trade Quinn, we may move Anderson on draft day too.

washington, detroit, and the browns seems like the only teams that denver would deal with. tampa, chicago, and the jets could only give draft picks without the possibility of a franchise qb.

If I was Denver, I would want the skins 1st(13) this year, and maybe a 2nd or 3rd next year along with Campell.

u say this ...

...he showed some of the same question marks I've had with him @ND


then your asked ...

what questions are those ...

and your answer is

Sometimes I would wonder why he threw into the area he went to..I wondered if the reciever ran the wrong route or he misread it.
But all in all I think he's a more accurate thower than DA..I did dislike how he was not allowed to go deep when he played last year.

Dude .. he threw over 900 passes in his last two years at ND .. and he threw 14 picks total ... thats one pick every 65 passes or so .. how did that lead u to believe he threw the ball to the WRONG AREA enough to doubt it about him ..

and he is not near as accurate as DA .. hes like a gagillion times more accurate ... *L* ..

Peenie .. what is it exactly U heard Mort say on ESPN .. and when did u hear it ... cause what i saw .. he put up like 5 or 6 teams that had a legite shot at Jay ... and then he listed the same number of dark hosrses ... and we were a dark horse and he said the dark horses wouldn't even come into play ..

so what exactly was it u heard Mort say and witch ESPN station did he say it on??? ..

Tabber .. u need to take a chill pill .. and get a grip while your at it .. your way wrong on this one .. but its not worth the time so go ahead and trash me all U want on it .. not gonna waste my time .. we both know what U said about Wies and his word back then ...

lamp .. I know how good BQ will be .. and he will be a STAR in this league .... you'll see ...

THE TIME IS NEAR ... no matter what everyone reads into the silence .. Jeannie and Coke know what they got in BQ and believe me .. there HAPPY AS HELL and VERY VERY VERY GREATFUL TO MIAMI AND OPIE ...

Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson

The Washington Post reported Wednesday night that the Redskins are actively pursuing Denver quarterback Jay Cutler.

I have long heard that Washington would be in on the Cutler sweepstakes. The Redskins are one of the most aggressive franchises in the NFL. There are several teams pushing for Cutler but the Redskins can end this chase quickly.

A name surfacing around the league is Washington cornerback Carlos Rogers. He could be part of a package that would land Cutler in Washington. Whatever the package, is it is going to be complicated and it could involve multiple teams.

A source close to the situation said Wednesday night teams joining Washington in the Cutler sweepstakes include Chicago, Tampa Bay and Tennessee. The Titans' interest would be fascinating since they already have Kerry Collins and Vince Young. There are connections, though. The team's offensive coordinator, Mike Heimerdinger, coached Cutler in Denver and Cutler played at Vanderbilt in Nashville. Cutler (who attended an UFC event in Tennessee on Wednesday night) is a local hero there.

Meanwhile, the Cutler and Denver camps continue to throw verbal jabs. The Cutler side said the Broncos haven't tried to get in touch with the QB in recent days as the team said. In the team's release Tuesday night, announcing that it will pursue trading Cutler, it said Denver officials had tried unsuccessfully to get in touch with Cutler in a 10-day span. No matter what the truth is, it doesn't matter. The two sides are getting divorced. It's over.

The word around the league is Denver may not be interested in the Lions' No. 1 overall pick if it was offered.