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I honestly hope we have no part in a trade that brings Campbell to Cleveland. I just can't imagine that for what Denver wants for Cutler (the equivalent of a 1st+3rd+more according to Fox) that we'd end up with anything more than table scraps and no QB. Campbell does NOT excite me in the slightest.
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Just to stir the pot 
Here's the scouting reports for the two players PRIOR to the 2008 season:
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Comment: While unproven at the NFL level, Quinn has all the physical tools you look for in a franchise quarterback. He has good height and an excellent, strong build that he can use to fend off would-be tacklers. He is built to take a pounding and shouldn't have a lot of problems handling the rigors of the position at this level. He was extremely durable as a four-year starter in college and is a tough player overall. Quinn is a more-than-adequate athlete who can makes plays with the ball in his hands or buy time in the pocket by avoiding the rush. He has a big enough arm to make just about any throw asked of him and is also an intelligent, hardworking young man with natural leadership traits. He doesn't have to set his feet to generate good RPMs on the ball. He gets rid of the ball quickly with a short, compact delivery. He sees the field well for someone his age and shows good pocket presence with a strong understanding of what a defense is looking to accomplish. His accuracy is troublesome though. Quinn makes his receivers work too hard to adjust to the ball at times and will simply miss open targets on throws that he should clearly make. Those lapses need to be corrected. He is more accurate with his short throws than going downfield. He can also be streaky with his throwing. When he is on, he is very dangerous, but when he is off, he can cost his team. He is confident in his abilities though and can be quick to get out of a funk. Do not be surprised if he becomes entrenched as the Browns' starting quarterback as soon as midway through the 2008 season. He has a bright future.
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Grade: 74 | Key
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Comment: He is a good overall athlete with good size and a strong arm. He has quick feet in his pass drops and set up. He adjusts quickly when he sees pressure, but doesn't have a great feel for the rush yet when his eyes are down field. He will get his eyes locked on receivers at times and be late to escape or avoid. He can buy time with his feet and he is a good athlete, once he is outside the box, to make plays with his legs. He needs to improve his overall vision and pocket adjustments. He will only get better with more experience. He has a little bit of a wind up release, but the ball comes off his hand quickly once he makes his decision. He showed good touch on underneath throws and a strong enough arm to deliver accurately on deeper throws. He has good touch on vertical routes and toward the sideline. He has enough arm strength to put good velocity on the ball and drive it into tight spots. He has shown improved timing with his three and five-step drops since becoming the starter. While he will pre-determine where he is going, he is accurate enough to get the ball into his receivers' hands. He has a good combination of size, athletic ability and arm strength. However, he needs to improve his ball security and overall feel for pressure. He is a solid, young player to build around. He will only get better with experience.
My stated case for Campbell is that he's progressing along a nice curve during his three years as the starter. Behind a pretty-iffy pass-blocking line that relied quite a bit on the run, he threw for 3200+ yards, 13 TD's with 6 INT's, 62% comp rate and an 84 passer rating with 285 yards scrambling. He certainly fits into a short, controlled passing offense better than Anderson. He also has a stronger arm than Quinn, but is clearly more accurate than Anderson.
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It was in reply to Damans comment he has never heard the Browns aren't enamored with the qbs.
In the roundtable discussion...he said something to the affect he wasn't sure the Browns were enamored with either qb.
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It may work that way if we get involved with the Skins....we get Campbell, the Skins get Cutler, the Broncos get Quinn, then start moving the picks around to even out the rough edges.
I could see the Broncos getting our 1st rounder....we drop down and get the Broncos pick and the Skins pick, and the Skins ship next years 1st to Denver....or something along those lines...maybe we get one less pick this year and get a pick next year....lot's of ways it could work.
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Peen, I believe ya man.. But like I said, I haven't heard it anywhere or read it anywhere...
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I just heard Mort say it on ESPN....sorry...no link....you have to take my word for it.
Peen, I believe ya man.. But like I said, I haven't heard it anywhere or read it anywhere...
I heard Mort say it as well on the Mike Tireco radio show. It was back when all of this first started with Cutler.
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All one has to do is look at the hornets-nest that his availabilty is causing to know that this is a rare occasion. I'm not caught up in any hype or excitement at all. I'm simply calling this exactly what it is.
Most these "hornets-nest" teams are the same teams that were buzzing about Favre last year - and that turned out to be hype. Meanwhile guys like Pennington and Garcia have trouble keeping their jobs.
I at least understand why teams like the Jets, Bucs, and Vikes are chasing Cutler. They have nothing and Cutler has talent.
The Redskins and Browns though make no sense to me. Campbell seems to have a ton of upside and Quinn looked good in very limited play.
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I just heard Mort say it on ESPN....sorry...no link....you have to take my word for it.
Peen, I believe ya man.. But like I said, I haven't heard it anywhere or read it anywhere...
I heard Mort say it as well on the Mike Tireco radio show. It was back when all of this first started with Cutler.
Actually Mort was on NFL Live yesterday and said it again.
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Dude would U stop with the WHYUDOUBTBRADYQUINNCUZIKNOWHEGOOD stuff? I told you the same thing two years ago and it hasn't changed.. I wasn't talking about INT's or I would have said that..I said he threw in areas where no one was there, but I couldn't tell who the misread was on.. U' ve seen me just rag on DA...I've broken down the dudes game and it has been on target..I hammered on Frye's game and it was true.. I haven't blasted Quinn..I was tickled Phil moved up and got him..I just didn't like the first rounder that was surrendered..I haven't liked the lack of picks from trading up to get players.. Quinn did some things that I have question marks about..so what? U have ????? about any player..oh wait not him..  U ever see me say I don't think he'll be a good QB? It's DA I want to see traded...I think and will continue to think no matter what anyone replies , he'll never ever be a quality starter in this league.. He's not perfect...nor am I questioning his talent like a lot of people are..don't be soooo quick to jump on any negative that comes out.. Like I said I've had a longer time to see the kid than most..so I knew (aside from a few things) his game when he came out..even though I'm no ND fan..
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I don't believe the Browns need to play middle man so another team can land Cutler. If the Mangini/Kokinis' goal is to win a Super Bowl, the Browns need a QB capable of leading the offense to attain that goal.
Of the following QBs...Anderson, Quinn, Cambell, Cutler...who gives the Browns the best chance of winning a Super Bowl?
So why should the Browns help another team attain a goal that is our goal too...winning a Super Bowl?
JMHO, but it's time to cut out this middle man talk...time to realize that every other team in the NFL has the same goal as the Browns and we don't need to help any of them attain that goal.
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by Bud Shaw/Plain Dealer Columnist
Wednesday April 01, 2009, 9:21 PM
Jay Cutler will be traded.
The latest developments in Denver are that Cutler is not returning the phone calls of head coach Josh McDaniels and owner Pat Bowlen, and that the organization has decided to grant his wish and trade him.
This begs the question, would Cleveland Browns' fans tolerate a smart, cocky, demanding quarterback who is pretty sure his way is the right way and who isn't shy about challenging his coaches?
I mean, other than Bernie Kosar?
Quarterbacks are special cases, no matter what any Bill Belichick disciple wants to believe and especially despite what a 32-year-old Belichick disciple bungling the first major issue of his NFL coaching career wants to believe.
Quarterbacks get all the blame when things don't go well (unless they're good looking, from Notre Dame, and grew up a fan of the team that drafted them) and they get all the accolades when life is good. The job often requires a self-assurance and ego bordering on narcissism.
There are exceptions. But the best ones run the huddle as if somebody put them in charge. Go figure.
Cutler is coming off a Pro Bowl season accomplished without much help around him. He's one of three quarterbacks to throw for 4,500 yards and 25 touchdowns last season.
When Derek Anderson showed up in Hawaii, even the Browns management was questioning whether it was the result of the pilot or the cockpit. Cutler's deal is clearer. It was the pilot.
He's not handling his situation in Denver particularly well. No one would say he is. But he's handled it better than McDaniels did when the coach explored trading Cutler shortly after taking over for Mike Shanahan. Nice touch.
What did McDaniels think Cutler's reaction would be, especially after Bowlen (allegedly) told him he'd keep the offensive staff intact after ousting Shanahan.
Cutler has the skills to make another coach and another city happy. How it ended in Denver doesn't preclude him becoming someone else's happy and accomplished franchise quarterback. He's 25.
The Browns are mentioned as a possible third party in a deal for Cutler because they have Brady Quinn and Anderson, and could deal one of them. That scenario has Cutler going somewhere else other than Cleveland.
The Browns should cut out the middle man and find a way to get Cutler.
Kosar, after all, was basically dispatched by Belichick for insubordination and admits he rubbed coaches the wrong way earlier in his career -- just not publicly.
The successful coaches don't mind taking on big personalities. Eric Mangini is just coming off a season with Brett Favre.
The one thing we know about Cutler at this point in his career, other than that he's a big talent with an even bigger arm, is that his skills are not diminished.
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He's not handling his situation in Denver particularly well. No one would say he is. But he's handled it better than McDaniels did when the coach explored trading Cutler shortly after taking over for Mike Shanahan. Nice touch.
Please..GMAB..if this was happening here the city of Cleveland would be in a UPROAR..it was when the percieved snob happened between Mang and Smith..
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j/c Sorry if this was already posted. www.KFFL.comBroncos | Cutler says he didn't want to be traded Share: Tweet me! Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:56:34 -0700 Jay Glazer and Alex Marvez, of FOXSports.com, report QB Jay Cutler, currently still with the Denver Broncos, said he does not want to be traded. Cutler told Glazer he was shocked when the Broncos sent a statement saying he was on the block. "I was surprised they decided to trade me this soon," Cutler said. "I didn't want to get traded. This wasn't me. They [The Broncos] had been going back and forth saying things, wanting me to be their quarterback and then they didn't. I really didn't want this. I love Denver. I really like my teammates. I didn't want it to get this far." Cutler believes he will be traded to an NFC team before the NFL Draft. A source said the Broncos are looking for more than first- and third-round draft choices as compensation for Cutler. On top of that, his agent may demand for a new contract despite Cutler having three years remaining on his deal.
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I like Campbell, but not enough to accept the trade proposal you put forth.
One problem I noticed with him having is a common problem among QBs. Red zone efficiency.
The few games I saw of the Redskins last year, he did an adequate job finding his targets between the 20's, but once he got close, he only looked to Cooley and when teams doubled him he looked lost going to his 2nd/3rd options.
Now, this could very well have been because Washington has preferred those small, quick WR's which are not the best options to have down there, but it is still a concern.
Also, was it Minny or KC that reportedly was offering 2 1st round picks for Quinn near the trade deadline? Either way, why would we except less value than that for him now?
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"but its not worth the time so go ahead and trash me all U want on it .. not gonna waste my time .. we both know what U said about Wies and his word back then ... "
First Diam. Man you get wayyyy too touchy on this subject. I also told you that I was mostly busting your chops cause you are DOMER HOMER... But I said it then and I'll say it now. Having a College coach believe in their Player...even 3 years later and endorsing him is not abnormal...actually anything else would be a shock to me.
But I've been endorsing BQ all the time mostly on the hopes that you are correct and taking your word on a lot about his future. Watch out - I might become a Sanchez backer... lol 
Gift Horse...I have to agree with Toad  Cutler is a special QB - who still needs developing. He is Way Better than any on the list you provided and only Brees has put up better numbers - but Cutler offers more dynamics than Brees in the long run.
Just two things...In this draft the QB with the brightest future is Sanchez...if we get one for whatever reason I hope its him.
Cutler is going to be a Redskin...If Snyder wants it so...he will do anything to get him where the others seem to make indications but are not willing to do what it takes to get their guy. Snyder who I don't like...one thing about him. He wants - He goes and gets.
So I got a feeling he wants...Cutler will be a Redskin.
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I don't like the Rogers & Quinn for Cutler talk. We are giving too much for that senario. I understand there was/is a riff with Rogers and Mangini, but the guy is one of the best defensive players in the NFL and we would be taking a huge step back on defense.
I think Rogers value is equall to Cutler's. So IMO giving up Quinn as well will mean we are the ones getting taken. I'd want thier (Den) second round pick at least included and possible next years third round as well. Then we select Raji with the 5th pick.
We are in the driver seat. IMO we give Denver the best possible QB option in return. But I want Cutler if we are giving Quinn up.
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U know what?
This is a circus..and it's ridiculous..both sides speak with forked tongue..and I mean like a snake..
Reminds me of wrestling..
'' See Triple H...IT STARTED about with U wanting to be in conrol of the group and U didn't me..Randy Orton to be a star..now it's gotten PERSONAL..you took it to another level and I just raised the bar...the AGE OF ORTON IS HERE!!""
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I'm sure every poster and talking head in the sports media will say the same thing, but what a total lack of communication on both sides. Everybody should be EMBARASSED. It's a joke.
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Cutler is going to be a Redskin...If Snyder wants it so...he will do anything to get him where the others seem to make indications but are not willing to do what it takes to get their guy. Snyder who I don't like...one thing about him. He wants - He goes and gets.
I agree with that 100%.
And I beleive it will happen soon as well. Snyder is going to pounce before someone else gets as desperate as him.
I also beleive that could help us if indeed Quinn is the deal breaker (which could very well be the case). Do I want to give up Quinn.......Nope, not at all, but if we get just to good of a deal out of some weird three team trade, than I would not be opposed to it.
Any one have any idea on what type of deal Washington could throw at us and the Broncos?
As for Rodgers, I think he is a Brown. Mangini values the big NT to much to let him go for anything. A prime example is the Jets acquiring Jenkins last yr. I don't beleive Rogers will be a part of any deal.
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Just two things...In this draft the QB with the brightest future is Sanchez...if we get one for whatever reason I hope its him.
I haven't uttered hardly any word on the QB's in this draft , but I totally agree with you on Sanchez who is somewhat similar to Quinn..
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I agree with that 100%.
And I beleive it will happen soon as well. Snyder is going to pounce before someone else gets as desperate as him.
I also beleive that could help us if indeed Quinn is the deal breaker (which could very well be the case). Do I want to give up Quinn.......Nope, not at all, but if we get just to good of a deal out of some weird three team trade, than I would not be opposed to it.
Any one have any idea on what type of deal Washington could throw at us and the Broncos?
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IF only Mr. Lerner was as determined as Mr. Snyder  ....That said I don't see us acquiring Cutler with the Broncos than acquiring Quinn....IMHO this would be the best scenario for both teams and could/should recreate a rivalry with the Broncos...IF it works out that both Denver and Washington come way feeling that they have stabilzed or improved their QB situations and we once again end up with an average QB(Is he Really that much of an upgrade over Anderson & Quinn ?....) I am Not going to be a Happy Camper  ....You can only take advantage of Extra Draft Picks IF you know what your doing....So far both Mangini & Kokinis are uproven in Cleveland....I just thought that starting out if any trades were made that they would be for more of a sure thing.....Acquiring new or additional Cornerstones should be the focus....Trading ours to gain multiple unknowns just doesn 't make sense....
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"IF only Mr. Lerner was as determined as Mr. Snyder"
Thank Goodness no...
Snyder meddles and puts together All Star cast that get you no where.
There has not been one instance where Randy didn't fork up the needed money. And any unwillingness to Spend for today and worry about tomorrow is more on the head of Mangini not some Mandate by Randy.
Mangini feels that FAgency is not the way to build. Determined as Snyder than we will have Failure after failure after failure....how many HC's have they had?
Randy has just the right temperment and drive for success. The fact that he can be patient and leave the Football to football people is actually outstanding no a lack of Fortitude. It takes more love for team to do it Randy's way than Snyder's.
As far as us...I don't see us with a 3 way with the Redskins n Denver. Denver will have to live with Campbell or you never know it might be better draft picks and Colt Brennan??? Keep in mind Denver just might be happy with Simms over Campbell and would rather garnish big time picks and a backup.
What people forget was Simms got a glowing report from his rehab and how he progressed and how amazing he looked at the end of last year (believe it was with the Titans?).
As far as us...that media guys playing trade games and trying to be smart
I don't think we will have anything to do with it.
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I get to watch Jason Canmbell 14-16 times a year. The scouting report is accurate about him not feeling the rush. He gets sacked way more often than a mobile QB should. He has a strong arm but often makes poor choices and inaccurate throws, again for no apparant reason.
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While Jay Cutler was busy sitting octagon-side for Ultimate Fight Night 18 last evening in Nashville, the trade wheels were grinding. The team that has emerged as the front-runner in the Cutler sweepstakes? Danny Boy’s Redskins, of course:
The Washington Redskins are actively pursuing a trade for disgruntled Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, according to NFL sources.
One source said the Redskins are trying to complete the deal as quickly as possible although at least two other teams, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New York Jets, are also reportedly interested in acquiring Cutler.
The Redskins declined comment.
The Skins would certainly have to give up some package that involves Jason Campbell and a draft pick (likely their 13th overall). This deal, as we broke down over at my other site yesterday, makes absolutely zero sense for the Redskins. The difference between Campbell and Cutler right now is razor-thin, not to mention Campbell knows Zorn’s system, has improved dramatically every season, and is approximately 18x the man Cutler will ever be.
But when Dan Snyder sees something shiny that he wants he tends to get all GIMMIE GIMMIE at all costs. Oh, you want Campbell, our first overall pick this year AND this dumptruck full of gold? No problem. I’ve never pretended to care about the future of this organization, why start now? Got any aging linemen you could throw in?
Further evidence that Washington may be the best suitor: The Broncos have set-up their trading post in crazy town and are now demanding a deal that is “north of two first round picks” for Cutler. Snyder LOVES the sound of that.
Meanwhile, the man at the center of all this hoopla is now saying he didn’t want it to come to this and never wanted to be traded. Which seems odd seeing as, you know, he said before that he wanted to be traded. Pleeease just send this guy to the Lions already and let us be done with him.
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probably thought he was gonna get traded to a contender....then the lions got brought up....and he doesn't want to end up there....
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