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Rogers-Mangini rift still unresolvedComment Email Print Share By James Walker
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Apparently, the internal rift between Pro Bowl defensive tackle Shaun Rogers and new Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini remains unresolved.

According to a source, Rogers has been a no-show this week for the team's offseason workout program, which began Monday.

While the workouts are considered voluntary, Mangini has made it clear that he wants his players in attendance because it was his first chance to address the team in a group setting.

Mangini and Rogers have clashed for nearly two months when the coach initially refused to communicate with his star player, despite being in the same place on two separate occasions. Rogers didn't take the snubs lightly, as things escalated to the point where he asked to be released from his six-year, $42 million contract.

Rogers is guaranteed a $5 million bonus this month, making the player's release unlikely, and should earn an additional $950,000 in likely-to-be-reached incentives when he's on the field. Mangini has since attempted to reach out to Rogers, but his absence this week makes it clear that there is still much work to be done to patch up the relationship.

The eight-year veteran had one of his best seasons in 2008, registering 76 tackles and 4.5 sacks. The Browns finished 4-12 last season.

James Walker is the AFC North blogger for ESPN.com.

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Mangini and Rogers have clashed for nearly two months when the coach initially refused to communicate with his star player, despite being in the same place on two separate occasions. Rogers didn't take the snubs lightly, as things escalated to the point where he asked to be released from his six-year, $42 million contract.

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You go on and keep bashing Mangini because you don't like him...

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Mangini certainly should be trying to fix this issue with Rogers...however, if it is truly about getting a new contract, then there is nothing Mangini can do because it is not about him.

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Mangini certainly should be trying to fix this issue with Rogers...however, if it is truly about getting a new contract, then there is nothing Mangini can do because it is not about him.

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Don't let the media drivel about this being about money influence your opinion. Rogers just signed a huge new deal one year ago. His agent didn't demand a new contract.

This is about 'Gini and Co. coming on too damned strong and alienating a high-maintenance player. Nothing more, nothing less.

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I'm "naive"...

Who says this isn't "Excused for Personal Reasons"???...Happens all the time...

For all we know he may show up tomorrow...

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You know what I like best about everything Mankok is doing? The fact that everyone on the board hates it...

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You know what I like best about everything Mankok is doing? The fact that everyone on the board hates it...

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Mangini made this mess, now he has to fix it.

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My question is, if you wanted to meet me so badly and I'm your new boss, why can't you come over and tap me on the shoulder and introduce yourself..

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Because that's too mature for most players now-a-days. The world revolves around them Daman, didn't you get the memo?

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Mangini certainly should be trying to fix this issue with Rogers...however, if it is truly about getting a new contract, then there is nothing Mangini can do because it is not about him.

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Don't let the media drivel about this being about money influence your opinion. Rogers just signed a huge new deal one year ago. His agent didn't demand a new contract.

This is about 'Gini and Co. coming on too damned strong and alienating a high-maintenance player. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Wait a minute.. Toad,, you and I are in a room with lots of people.. and later, you get miffed because I didn't introduce myself to you...

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That specific incident isn't one that factors in to the equation, though the media would love for you to believe it did. 'Gini states he wasn't aware Rogers was at the function, and there's been nothing to refute that. The problems between the coach and the player stem from two other issues.

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Whether Rogers likes it or not, Mangini is his new boss... he either gets used to it or retires....

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Or.............He plays the loopholes that were created with the CBA, and gets away with doing the absolute minimum he has to

There are two issues at play here, and one of them is NOT about money. That perticular rumor was floated by our beloved Cleveland media, the same media that no longer have contacts to spoon-feed them information, so they have to do what they can to sell newspapers: Speculate regardless of validity or responsibility.

The first issue was the Mangini snub, not at the function, but where he never picked up the phone to contact Rogers, a known headcase of a player. Twenty years ago, a coach gets away with that. Today? Unless you're Bill Bellyache, you can't. Mangini only attempted to fix this AFTER the damage was done, which is by now obviously too little too late to avoid a problem.

The second issue was the letter that told Rogers not to show up unless he was in shape. While on the surface emphasizing something that was built into a players contract isn't a bad thing, again, in today's NFL, it's a risky move. To a petulant child like Rogers, it's a slap in the face. Again, if your Bill Bellyache and the Pats, you can probably get away with it. If your Mangini and the Browns, you can't. We could have just as easily let him come to camp, then given him twenty days to get below the prescribed weight limit. But no, the new regime wanted to send a message. It was a bad move, so here we sit.

Now as that snarky-tool DinD stated there could be other things at play here. But what we know is that Mangini played heavy-handed with Rogers and it set the stage for the petulant child to throw a tantrum by crossing his arms and not coming to DaDa when called

We've had this discussion before D, but I'm going to say this again: In a perfect world, the employer should be able to dictate to the employee. It worked in the 50's, but times have changed. What should be right and fair isn't right and fair anymore. In today's world of NFL free agency, where the players are the show, they get to call many more shots than we'd like, which is the situation we have here. So, again, Mangini created the foundations of this problem, so it's up to him to fix it. Does this mean Rogers is within his rights to act like this? No, but the world isn't fair and perfect, and sometimes coaches have to coddle players. Rogers is that kind of player, and Mangini is going to have to go there.

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So instead we should let your drivel influence us that it isn't about money? This is about a $100M payday, Toad, not about hurt feelings.

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As has since been reported, the deal was four years and $48 million. The rest of the money was fluff, not unlike the monies the CB got when signing with the Niners a couple of years ago.

But don't take my word for it. Take Rogers' agents word for it:

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McGuire stressed that "there are no financial or contract concerns on our behalf."

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And since I'm forced to spell all this out for everyone (again), here's the rest of the story:

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Another source confirmed a report on nfl.com that Rogers is upset about two separate incidents when he felt he was snubbed by Mangini. The first was when Mangini failed to say hello to him in the training room at the Browns facility and the second was at the Greater Cleveland Sports Awards on Jan. 23 when both men were in the media room at the same time but did not acknowledge each other.

Rogers, who capped off his season by making the Pro Bowl, is also upset about a larger issue, the nature of which is unknown. But most of it boils down to a lack of communication, sources said.

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That's from ESPN.

So what's the other issue? Sure, you think it's about money, right Cal? WRONG!!! Since this article came out in February, we all caught wind of the letter that came to Rogers stating he didn't need to show up if he wasn't under his prescribed weight limit.

So, if everyone wants to continue to put their heads under rocks and believe this is about money, feel free. Don't bother letting the facts get in the way of the truth. Make all the flawed ASSumptions you like.

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...., and sometimes coaches have to coddle players. Rogers is that kind of player, and Mangini is going to have to go there

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We've had this discussion before D, but I'm going to say this again: In a perfect world, the employer should be able to dictate to the employee. It worked in the 50's, but times have changed.

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but we have not won since we started giving into them like crying kids in a toy store.

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I do.

I'm very much anti-player when it comes to these kinds of things, but again, you're talking about a perfect world. The NFL isn't that kind of world.

Rogers is the best player on this team. I have a very hard time believing that 25 other NFL teams would have gone the road that 'Gini had. The Pats could have gotten away with it. The Donks can't, so here they sit, just like us.

There's a pattern here...........

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This is about 'Gini and Co. coming on too damned strong and alienating a high-maintenance player. Nothing more, nothing less.

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