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D, with all due respect intended, you have absolutely nothing to base an opinion on that says this was about money.
The only thing I can base it on is actions of thousands of other players and mostly player agents (who in many cases I consider among the scum of the earth)
I stand by my belief that money had something to do with it.. But I will admit that I'm happy if I'm wrong in one respect.. on the other hand, it then means that Rodgers is a 350 lb crybaby over imagined slights by the new coach.
So for me it comes down to pick your poison. he's either greedy or a crybaby... neither is particularly flattering...
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I don't have a pony in this race, so here's my take...
I have been open to both the ideas that the Rogers situation might be about $$$ or could just be about a hyper-sensitive athlete (maybe Mangini used the word "Jesus" inappropriately and Rogers overheard him).
If Rogers is participating in the offseason programs and we don't hear anything more from him, then it almost definitely was NOT about $$$. Have we ever seen a situation where an athlete gives up on chasing a contract before training camp when they can put more pressure on the team?
Now, if it is about the $$$, then it is still possible that Rogers has told them he will play good soldier if they will talk $$$ with his agent. If we hear about a new contract before training camp, then it was about the $$$. Also, if Rogers mysteriously gets upset again right before training camp and threatens to holdout, then it likely could be about the $$$ as well.
Just my take on things.
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j/c
Maybe they actually resolved their problems. Maybe Mangini admitted his mistake and Rogers came back.
At this point, who cares as long as he is back.
you had a good run Hank.
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Did you really expect it to come out that money talks were involved?
Yes. Since it hasn't I rest my case.
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And as for the Grassy knoll and oswald,, you are among the minority of informed americans that think he did it alone. Too much physical proof has been brought out to at least cause question..
Really? You wanna discuss a 46 year old murder on here? 
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Third, did you really think I would back down on my beliefs on rogers?
Nope. No matter how wrong you are I expected you to stand firm. I was not disappointed. 
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I considered your case rested days ago when you misinterpreted my post to begin with.. Wasn't it you that brought up a 46 year old murder first? And nobody will be able to prove I was wrong.. it's all speculation since we aren't privey to the inner workings and discussions that took place.. So glad not to disappoint 
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j/c No one knows for absolute certainty all that happened. That about sums up every post in this regard except for the one where Rogers DID show up later. Please let this thread end. 
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Agreed Willie.
Rogers is in Berea, working out.
Lock it up.
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All I can say to that is...........  ........sorry coach.........But I will add this about your so called "debunking"........I used the word "incentives".....not bonuses......And that is all I have to say about that.....-Forest Gump-
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Agreed Willie.
Rogers is in Berea, working out.
Lock it up.
Interesting. So this is how the new ruling junta is going to deal with controversy? The prior occupants of the clown car would have had press leaks and goodness knows what going on by now. Now all we get are a few terse statements and let the press chew on their own tongues for a while. Very interesting indeed....
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I saw Shaun at the Cavs game last night. 20,000 people made sure he wasn't snubbed. 
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Incentives..........bonuses............semantics. Money is money. If he failed to show for a workout bonus (incentive) by the start of voluntary camp, he isn't paid. Coming back in the middle doesn't get it back to him, unless the organization forgives it, and they wouldn't forgive if it were a contract holdout
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I know I came in the middle of some discussion but what the Heck are you guys talking about??? lol and does it have anything to do with Rogers??? or just an Imaginary Peeing contest as opposed to a real one. 
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You'd know all about that, wouldn't you
You COULD go back and read for yourself, but I suppose it's easier to ask someone to do your work for you 
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Nah...pretend stuff like an Incentive bonus that simply does not exist and then a heated debate about it...sorry I pick my stands. No need for me to go back and read it...just was looking for some new stuff that might have happened.
And read your post...which normally I do.
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What the Hell kinda reponse was that?
Look, Eo, just because Willie asked you to not pick fights with me doesn't mean you have to listen. You gettin' soft on me?
C'mon...........What do I have to do to goad you into having a flare-up?
HOMER!!!!!!
Actually, it was the back-end of the Rogers debate. He'd said that Rogers finally showed up because of (maybe) incentives, or something like that. I stated that voluntary camps aren't subject to bonus money because they aren't mandatory. He corrected me to say incentives, so I said they were essentially the same thing.
Bottom line? It was nothing *L*
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Hey wait a minute! I like when you guys fight  ...but I was busy trying to learn something about a couple of potential draft picks and couldn't see through the urine being spewed around. By all means...let the fight begin anew. 
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No..............No, Willie. The moment has passed...........the magic gone.
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Nah...pretend stuff like an Incentive bonus that simply does not exist and then a heated debate about it...sorry I pick my stands. No need for me to go back and read it...just was looking for some new stuff that might have happened.
And read your post...which normally I do.
Mangini touched on some specific players:
• Nose tackle Shaun Rogers reported for offseason workouts Tuesday. Mangini hinted that the contractual obligations Rogers would fulfill related to his workout bonus — which a source said is $100,000.
''Each guy has different things in his contract in terms of if he completes a certain amount of workouts, there could be bonuses tied to it,'' Mangini said.
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Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off! Go Browns! CHRIST HAS RISEN! GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
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