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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/03/cleveland_browns_coach_opens_q.html Cleveland Browns coach opens quarterback competition between Anderson and Quinn
by Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter Tuesday March 24, 2009, 12:10 PM
DANA POINT, Calif. -- The open quarterback competition between Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn officially has begun, Browns coach Eric Mangini said at the NFL owners meetings this morning.
While the prospect of trading one still exists, Mangini said he met with both quarterbacks prior to coming here and explained they will have an open competition for the starting job in 2009.
"I talked to both of them about that and was very clear," Mangini said. "I said if they have any questions they can come and see me. In terms of the competition and their opportunities. That's what I told them. They understand that."
Mangini said after reviewing tapes of both players, holding conversations with them and talking to others, he is "excited" about the prospect of having both compete for the job.
"Without knowing exactly what they were being asked to do on each of the plays, I thought both seemed to have a good presence, a good command of the situation. They each do different things in the passing game and running game that I like," he said.
Mangini said he will determine later how to divide QB repetitions in offseason practices, the minicamps and then in training camp. He said with the Jets he alternated QBs by the practice period, by the day, even by the interception. He said there is merit in mixing up the opportunities.
The coach said there is no timetable in determining his starter.
As usual, Mangini didn't rule out trading a quarterback before the competition actually plays out on the field.
"What I haven't ruled out is George (Kokinis, GM) and I looking at any opportunity to improve the team," he said. "But I in no way am saying that is specific to the quarterback situation. But we would look at any opportunity we thought would improve the team."
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Before everyone starts pissing on each other I would just like to say that I don't care who our QB is. Just as long as we are winning.
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It's all a bunch of BS. One of these guys will be gone. This is just an article to fill the papers.
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I'll just say that I'll believe it when I see it, just like anything that comes out during the draft period.
However, assuming that it's true, all I want to see is one of them be declared the starter somewhat early and then that's that. I'd love just once for us to go into a pre-season knowing who our QB is.
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It's all a bunch of BS. One of these guys will be gone. This is just an article to fill the papers.
I don't kow about filling papers, Mangini doesn't strike me as a guy that cares about whether or not the media has anything to report..
I'd say it's more of a smokescreen.. Defining who will be your starter today means that the other guy will be on the bench.. And that sends the message to other teams that the one that hasn't been named starter, can be had cheaper..
no, I'd say smokescreen... JMO however.
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It's all a bunch of BS. One of these guys will be gone.
What, Do we expect Mangini or Kokonis (or anyone for that matter) to just come out and say that Quinn/Anderson is the starter. Come on......Why in the world would we do that and give anyone who has any interest in acquiring one of these guys a bargaining chip in negotiations...........
i.e. "Hey, Kok, I'll give you such and such for your BACKUP QB"
Even those of you that our bashing this regime can't expect us to do something as idiotic as that can you ???????
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Only in Cleveland could we be in Year 3 of having two QB's and still be having an "open competition" between them.
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Yup, the word "smokescreen" kept flashing in my brain while reading this article. It might drive the price up a bit for one or the other but who really knows.
If we can only get a low 4th for DA, I'd keep him for the competition.
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Open comp..this year, loser leaves town 
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The longer we have this "competition" that Mangini loves, the more valuable each QB becomes. Trade one for something great, or keep both. Once again we're in that enviable position. QB is hardly the issue. Quote:
Only in Cleveland could we be in Year 3 of having two QB's and still be having an "open competition" between them.
Reminds me a little of the situation in Arizona the past couple years.
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Only in Cleveland could we be in Year 3 of having two QB's and still be having an "open competition" between them.
That crap needs to come to an end at some point. How do they expect the QBs to mature, and improve if they are not being played reglarly? A QB can only learn so much from the bench. At some point he needs to be playing. If Quinn is not the answer than just name DA the starter and move on. The longer this goes on, the more of a hit the Browns take on trade value for the non starting QB. No team is going to trade a 1st or 2nd round pick for Quinn when he has been in the league for 2 full seasons and has little to show for his progression from college.
The Matt Cassell trade did screw over DA's trade value IMO. I know there are question marks regarding Cassell's production and the offense he was surrounded by, but DA's value dropped because of '07 to '08 performance. Than the labeled "next coming of Tom Brady" is traded for a 2nd round pick. At the end of 2007, DA was worth a 1st or 2nd rounder. Than '08 comes along and he is probably worth a 3rd rounder. Than "the next Tom Brady" is traded for a 2nd round pick. DA may only be worth a 4th round pick now.
So what do the Browns do? What could they get for Quinn? Could they get a 3rd rounder for DA? Is one QB clearly better than the other? What QB has a higher ceiling? If there is no clear cut better QB, than I say make some phone calls and whom ever the Browns get the best offer for, trade him, and name the other the starter.
This was not meant to insult the Browns. I just agree that year 3 of this saga is a freaking joke.
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Hardly surprising. Every coach wants competition, the situation is perfect for a new coach. He has two serviceable QBs, doesn't have to declare either one the starter, no pressure, install the new system, let trade talk happen like they happen and move on.
We're the team with the 2 QBs, that's not a bad thing. I have no problem seeing who steps up this year, in the new system, with the weapons that are on the field. Because that's what it's gonna take, I don't care who the QB is.
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The Matt Cassell trade did screw over DA's trade value IMO. I know there are question marks regarding Cassell's production and the offense he was surrounded by, but DA's value dropped because of '07 to '08 performance. Than the labeled "next coming of Tom Brady" is traded for a 2nd round pick. At the end of 2007, DA was worth a 1st or 2nd rounder. Than '08 comes along and he is probably worth a 3rd rounder. Than "the next Tom Brady" is traded for a 2nd round pick. DA may only be worth a 4th round pick now.
Now that is some flawed logic.
Cassell is not "the next Tom Brady" unless you are a Chiefs fan that has to desperately hope and pray that he can become him.
Cassell's value this offseason is likely similar to DA's value last offseason. He had one good year when noone expected him to even start. The main difference is that Cassell was taking over the #1 offense in NFL history, so DA's value actually may have been higher.
Now, DA had a bad year, and there is more tape for scouts to pick apart, so obviously, his value dropped. So, his value is not as high as Cassell's.
However, that does not mean we will get less value for him. In fact, if Detroit decides not to pick Stafford, we could still conceivably get their #33 pick (because DA is still the best available option out there and teams get more desperate closer to the draft...and before anyone mentions Cutler, realize that we would probably have to be involved in those discussions as well for Denver to end up with a starting caliber QB next season and we would hold all the cards)
NE was stuck needing to get under the cap, so they had to sacrifice some of Cassell's value to make an immediate trade. We are in no such situation and can wait out any potential trade partners or just walk away with DA still on the team if noone steps up to the plate.
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Not unless we get a good enough offer. The odds of that have been greatly reduced now that the Vikings and Chiefs have new QB's. Furthermore, the Cutler situation complicates matters, as he's the primary target for any team who's looking for a veteran QB.
No, these QB's are here to stay unless we get a very good offer. We're not simply going to dump one just because.
During last season, I wanted to keep both guys and let the best man win. So far, I'm getting my wish 
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Only in Cleveland could we be in Year 3 of having two QB's and still be having an "open competition" between them.
If we'd have traded up for Rodgers or Campbell like I wanted, we wouldn't be  But no, Savage thought Frye was a "good gamble." 
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The Matt Cassell trade did screw over DA's trade value IMO. I know there are question marks regarding Cassell's production and the offense he was surrounded by, but DA's value dropped because of '07 to '08 performance. Than the labeled "next coming of Tom Brady" is traded for a 2nd round pick. At the end of 2007, DA was worth a 1st or 2nd rounder. Than '08 comes along and he is probably worth a 3rd rounder. Than "the next Tom Brady" is traded for a 2nd round pick. DA may only be worth a 4th round pick now.
Now that is some flawed logic.
Cassell is not "the next Tom Brady" unless you are a Chiefs fan that has to desperately hope and pray that he can become him.
Cassell's value this offseason is likely similar to DA's value last offseason. He had one good year when noone expected him to even start. The main difference is that Cassell was taking over the #1 offense in NFL history, so DA's value actually may have been higher.
Now, DA had a bad year, and there is more tape for scouts to pick apart, so obviously, his value dropped. So, his value is not as high as Cassell's.
However, that does not mean we will get less value for him. In fact, if Detroit decides not to pick Stafford, we could still conceivably get their #33 pick (because DA is still the best available option out there and teams get more desperate closer to the draft...and before anyone mentions Cutler, realize that we would probably have to be involved in those discussions as well for Denver to end up with a starting caliber QB next season and we would hold all the cards)
NE was stuck needing to get under the cap, so they had to sacrifice some of Cassell's value to make an immediate trade. We are in no such situation and can wait out any potential trade partners or just walk away with DA still on the team if noone steps up to the plate.
I'm not saying Cassell is the next Tom Brady. I've seen references by media types as Cassell being the next Tom Brady. Thats why I put the label in quotations. Believe me, many Chiefs fans are not sold on Cassell. I wasn't sold on him. Had the Chiefs used a 1st round pick to get him I would have been livid. But a 2nd round pick isn't too shabby IMO.
That is true that Detroit could trade the 2nd round pick for DA. That didn't cross my mind. Wouldn't that give the Browns 3 2nd round picks? If so, than I'd say the Browns would be well on their way to getting some good players in the draft.
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I doubt that they would. Hell, I would be happy to have their 3rd for DA since it's so damn high.
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Furthermore, the Cutler situation complicates matters, as he's the primary target for any team who's looking for a veteran QB.
If he stays whoever is wanting a QB is still lacking..if he's traded (and unless Denver gets a QB inreturn) there's still more teams without a QB than ones with viable QB's..something can still happen .
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I'm getting that feeling that Mangini is falling in love with DA's arm and believe he can be the one to teach him.
Usually in these situations a coach ends up fired in three years.
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I doubt that they would. Hell, I would be happy to have their 3rd for DA since it's so damn high.
I find it funny how much ppl put DA down....He is not by far the worst QB in the leauge....You have to look at the whole.
When we had a line, we was good. Last year we had trouble with the line? Am I a DA fan? No! But A BQ Fan? Heck no! He was only a 60% passer in college. Now can he be a pro QB?...who's to say. All
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I agree. Cassell's value was somewhere in the late-1st to early 2nd round range. KC was able to get him for early 2nd, so they certainly didn't get hosed on the deal.
However, I am very skeptical of Cassell. He misses way too many reads. And, for all the time that NE OL gave him, he still took too many sacks by holding the ball too long.
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Take into account that Cassell had 1 more year on his contract and after last season, he and some coach's saw he has potential to be a perennial starter, and therefore, would probably walk from NE knowing that Brady is the starter, and then NE gets nothing for him. They traded him while they still could acquire something for him.
It probably had little to do with whether or not they wanted him, and more to do with "they saw the writing on the wall".
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I just can't wait for DA to win the QB competition, be our starter, and people start rioting in the streets.
Once again, I am in the camp of "put in who is going to get us wins." Personally, I don't think DA is good enough to get us consistent wins. However, I'd be extremely happy to be proven wrong.
I just want to win. Oh, and I wouldn't mind hitting Chris Cooley with my car.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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If we'd have traded up for Rodgers or Campbell like I wanted, we wouldn't be But no, Savage thought Frye was a "good gamble.
Jesus, don't you dislocate your shoulder pattin' yourself on the back this often?......
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I think it's humorus..I don't believe (at the moment ) that Mangini likes both OB's..Mangini is saying whatever he can to make people believe they're happy with either or both QB's,and it's driving up the price..or rather putting a price on one of 'em..
I said before I think DA will be traded..I'm gonna stick to it..if I'm wrong I'm just wrong.
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Take into account that Cassell had 1 more year on his contract and after last season, he and some coach's saw he has potential to be a perennial starter, and therefore, would probably walk from NE knowing that Brady is the starter, and then NE gets nothing for him. They traded him while they still could acquire something for him.
It probably had little to do with whether or not they wanted him, and more to do with "they saw the writing on the wall".
That is close.
First, NE doesn't care if he has the potential to be a perennial starter or not. What they care about is if they can find someone else who thinks he is a perennial starter and maximize the value they can get for him.
Also, Cassell was a free agent this offseason. He did not have another year on his contract, so NE was forced to franchise him at $14mil+ for next year. The problem for NE was that doing so put them over the cap.
Unfortunately for them, they had to get as much value for him as quickly as possible to be able to sign any FAs. They did about as good as one could expect by not only getting a high 2nd rounder for him, but also shedding Vrabel's contract from their cap as well.
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I agree that DA will be gone. But if he isn't, I won't be surprised and I won't be disappointed (unless we passed up some ridiculously good deal). I just want to win.
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nah, he does it often enough that he's triple-jointed now.
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Not responding to you directly,you always seem to miss the J/C.
It's a sad,sad state of affairs.You guys are killing me.Just because you all got boned by CoachB,doesn't mean all coaches lie.
I believe Mangini.He and his good buddy really have no opinion on either guy.Therein lies the rub.Qb competions are a bad thing,they never work out for the betterment of the team.
Oh well,if these two are incapable of making a determination,we can always call in our soccer dad from London to make that decision.
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clicking on you.
I've seen enough Derek Anderson. He'd be a good backup to have, but unless DA's off the charts in training camp (if he's still a Brown by then), it's high time to give Brady Quinn a real shot.
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I've seen enough Derek Anderson. He'd be a good backup to have, but unless DA's off the charts in training camp (if he's still a Brown by then), it's high time to give Brady Quinn a real shot.
That clears this thread up for me.
I would rather have this than just handing the job to Cutler. Hopefully THAT's off the table.
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I really like Anderson's arm.... but I want Quinn to take the Browns to the glory land...
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I would rather have this than just handing the job to Cutler. Hopefully THAT's off the table.
was it really ever on the table?
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Let me guess..........you're pro-Quinn
I'm pro-whoever is good.
Let's put it this way, this is the last season of this. If DA beats out Quinn, Quinn is gone and we stick with DA. If Quinn beats out DA, then DA is gone and we stick with Quinn.
I'm done with having two QB's on this roster. Pick one and sign a backup.
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was it really ever on the table?
The Jets are hoping it is...
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"DANA POINT, Calif. -- The open quarterback competition between Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn officially has begun, Browns coach Eric Mangini said at the NFL owners meetings this morning."
I predict Quinn wins hands down this portion of the Competition.
Volunteer workouts...isn't mostly conditioning??? lol 
And is this NFL speak...for
OK guys you really don't believe me but DA is really, really, really good and there is no reason that all of you teams should not make an overture to us cause the Grass is always greener on the other side.
We've heard rumors about Quinn...this we know...How bout DA come on guys just one offer for DA???
All I know is this better be posturing to get value in a trade. I could care less what DA does in practice. If they believe in him...I start doubting.
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You do realize I was speaking of "on the table' for the Browns.. I really don't care about the jets...
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Beautiful...Incredible...AWESOME... Way to play it Mangini and Kok... If u mean it...OK... If you're biding time and creating VALUE???...SUPERB...Even if alot can't figure it out... OUTSTANDING way to handle this...Even if BOTH r on this roster come September...
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