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I think it's humorus..I don't believe (at the moment ) that Mangini likes both OB's..Mangini is saying whatever he can to make people believe they're happy with either or both QB's,and it's driving up the price..or rather putting a price on one of 'em..
I said before I think DA will be traded..I'm gonna stick to it..if I'm wrong I'm just wrong.

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good move by the fo....this translates to "we have 2 starting quality qb's"

increases the trade value of either.....

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The Jets are hoping it is...

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You do realize I was speaking of "on the table' for the Browns.. I really don't care about the jets...

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We're the team with the 2 QBs, that's not a bad thing. I have no problem seeing who steps up this year, in the new system, with the weapons that are on the field. Because that's what it's gonna take, I don't care who the QB is.

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Wait... when did we get weapons?

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DANA POINT, Ca. - The NFL's very best convention of the year is currently happening at the five-star St. Regis, a plush resort overlooking the Pacific and one made famous when AIG executives partied here back in October. Nothing really happens at these annual owners' meetings anymore; it's more of a club-paid holiday and a time for everyone to unwind with their spouses while wondering if the league is really serious about a work stoppage in 2011 and why my room was ready at check-in time while the guy next to me, New England owner Bob Kraft, had to wait an hour longer.

But I digress from the really serious football concerns facing the NFL, like the overall sad state of our quarterbacks. Consider the recent trade speculation regarding the Cleveland Browns and what many fans may perceive as two of the game's more promising young guns in Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn.
"That three-way (trade) rumor is really out there?" said new Cleveland coach Eric Mangini at breakfast Tuesday. For the serious and politically-cautious Mangini, that was a great attempt at humor when being pressed about what trade possibilities he may or may not be considering.

Yes, the internet world has gone wild with speculation that either quarterback would be available for the right price. The purported three-way deal reportedly involved Denver's Jay Cutler, Washington's Jason Campbell and the Browns' Quinn (supposedly Redskins executive VP of football operations Vinny Cerrato, a Notre Dame alum, thinks he can "fix" Quinn).


One would think the Browns, who won four games last season, should maybe wait until the Ohio snow thaws and they start practicing outdoors before making such a drastic quarterback decision.

If anything, Mangini — who seemed uncomfortable when being asked about his specific role last summer with the Jets in choosing aging Brett Favre over Chad Pennington, a player he obviously respects who landed with Miami after being cut by the Jets — wanted to put a damper on all these trade rumors. Yes, he and new GM George Kokinis would consider trading any player in order to improve the Browns, but he said that there is no specific focus on trading either one of his young quarterbacks in order to upgrade the roster.

"We haven't ruled out anything, but such (trades) are not specific to our quarterback situation," he said.

Basically, Mangini knows how disruptive it can be to be talking quarterback trades. He could look eight feet away and see as many as 30 reporters encircling Denver's young Josh McDaniels wanting that first-year coach to explore his shaky relationship with Jay "I want to be traded" Cutler.

Mangini said he has spoken privately with both of his quarterbacks before coming to California. He said their conversations focused on their future with the Browns and how his plans for quarterback competition for training camp.

"I don't have a projected starter; it's going to be an open competition," Mangini said, obviously bruising those Ohio fans who want heart-throb and state native Quinn to be No. 1. "I'm excited about both of them. I like both guys. Whoever has the best camp and preseason will be the starter."

Quinn started only three NFL games before breaking a throwing-hand finger last season. Reportedly, one of his teammates also tried to break his face in a locker-room skirmish. But Quinn was a first-round pick. Granted, he fell in the 2007 draft and it was former Cleveland GM Phil Savage who worked the trade to acquire the former Golden Domer. This is why Mangini and Kokinis have no allegiance to him.

And if you forced Mangini to take truth serum, deep down he would probably love to deal Quinn. But the real truth out there is that there are no takers. Most everyone has gone back and looked at the old scouting reports, which ding Quinn's arm and accuracy. And in the NFL, if you don't have a big-league arm, you'd better be accurate — like a Chad Pennington.

But this whole my-quarterback-stinks or I-don't-like-my-quarterback brings me back to what's wrong in judging NFL signal-callers.

In some informal polling with the so-called experts here, there may be only 6-8 true franchise quarterbacks in the league. The first five are Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers. But there is plenty of debate in the ranking of the next five, which includes Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, Tony Romo, Donovan McNabb and maybe one-year wonder, Matt Ryan. A few GMs I spoke with would put Cutler at No. 9 or 10 on this list. And even though he has won a Super Bowl, some don't believe Eli Manning is a great quarterback.

How difficult is it to judge and project a young quarterback? Well, just consider Matt Ryan. Miami's Bill Parcells, whose franchise was desperate for a quarterback, didn't like Ryan and drafted offensive tackle Jake Long with the first pick last year. In hindsight, would you say Parcells made a mistake? He was gambling in last year's draft that Joe Flacco would drop to him later in the first round.

This entire quarterback debate is ongoing when it comes to next month's draft. Most teams believe the Lions have no choice but to select Georgia's Matt Stafford with the first overall pick. But Detroit management hasn't revealed their final decision and many think they will make the safe pick and take Baylor offensive tackle Jason Smith.

How safe is Smith as a top draft pick? Well, if the Lions don't pick him, the Rams definitely will with the second overall pick. Of course, the Rams don't need a quarterback. They believe that new offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur will get Marc Bulger back on a track. It's no secret that Scott Linehan and Bulger never saw eye-to-eye on much. Still, if the Rams stay true to targeting an offensive tackle, word around the owner's meetings has Stafford dropping no lower than No. 4 — with Seattle willing to jump on him.

The Cutler saga has spurred debate in the quarterback community. Both the Lions and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers showed plenty of interest in acquiring Cutler in a possible three-team trade weeks ago. If the Lions wanted Cutler, then why not draft Stafford?

"Have you seen some of the players the Lions have on defense?" said one Detroit insider.

OK, the Lions have plenty of needs. But you don't win in the NFL without a very good quarterback. You generally don't win a Super Bowl without a great quarterback (sorry, Trent Dilfer, you were an exception playing with an all-time great defense in Baltimore).

It is now obvious to the Lions and Bucs, and also the Jets — who seem to want a new quarterback every season — that Cutler is currently off the market. That he won't be traded.

And this brings me back to the storyline in how to deal with quarterbacks? Does the team and the head coach have to kiss the quarterback's butt? Or, when should a team decide that their quarterback is untouchable or should be treated differently from other teammates?

This is what McDaniels is attempting to formulate with Cutler. The old coaches he listens to have told him that he should never be great buddies with a young quarterback. There should be a separation between coach and quarterback (what, you thought Bill Parcells and Phil Simms were poker pals back with the Giants?). It makes sense that the coach is the boss and the quarterback follows his lead.

For example, the agents for Matt Cassel don't understand why the Kansas City Chiefs haven't offered their young client a new contract, debating why trade for him if you didn't view him as your long-term answer at the position?

Well, as much as Chiefs GM Scott Pioli likes Cassel, he wants to see how the quarterback performs in a new city with a team definitely not as talented as the Patriots. The bottom line is that Cassel will earn $14.6 million this year, one of the top salaries at his position. If he has a very good 2009 season, the Chiefs will pay him that same amount in 2010 unless they do decide to sign him long-term. What's wrong with that?

Now, back to the Browns and what Mangini must decide. He admitted that he has thoroughly examined both of his quarterbacks. He may be blowing smoke that he won't trade one of his quarterbacks before the draft or before camp opens. But it makes sense that it's tough to make that decision without actually coaching both players and seeing how they react to his pressure and methods.

Still, when talking to Mangini he seemed like he was trying to oversell his excitement about the two young QBs running plays for him. Meanwhile, I couldn't shake the feeling that Mangini longed for his old quarterback from the Jets — no, not Brett Favre, but the guy starting for Miami who made the playoffs last season.

And so it goes, this everlasting NFL quarterbacking quest ...

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The truth is clown is that DA will be traded..there is a market for BQ..we won't know until a factual offer comes out..

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And just who is your source ....? LOL

I mean, you come off as all knowing .... when you really know about as much as the rest of us ... which is that there has been rumor and innuendo ..... but very little solid information.

Maybe there is a market for Anderson.

Maybe there is a market for Quinn.

Maybe there is more of a market for one guy or the other.

Maybe some do see weaknesses with either guy.

Maybe some teams do value arm strength and/or accuracy, but definitely one of them, and devalue a guy seen as having limits in both areas.

Maybe this guy is right ... maybe not .... but not a single one of US can say with absolute cetrainty.

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Winning and high performance would cure the ills but....

I still think there's too much animosity between DA and the fans and possibly the organization. There were some ugly comments last year and I'm not ready to say it's all water under the bridge just yet.

I'd love to see either excell but I won't hold my breath.

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The fans.......maybe. The organization? Nah.

The only guy that would be in Anderson's crosshairs would be Crennel, and any ill-feelings he'd ratained would have been mostly removed when RAC embarassed himself right out of Cleveland over the last half of the season.

All the coaches are gone, and the only guy really left is Lerner, who didn't play a role in anything other than to sign the checks.

In fact, I would be feeling encouraged that I'm given another chance to win the job. All the talk about Quinn since the season ended is how he's perhaps not the end-all be-all that many Homers claim him to be. That means Anderson stands a chance of winning the gig back, and probably is happy about not having that idiot Crennel screwin' up his chances again.

Hey, maybe this entire thing is a ruse by the coaches, but I seriously doubt it. Why? Because the smart thing would be to annoint your starter now and get the team behind him. That hasn't happened. Furthermore, there's no QB market now for either guy in a straight-up trade for anything worth having. Two of the BIG jobs are now taken in KC and Minny. For whatever jobs remain, those teams will be looking at Cutler, who's viewed as a far-superior player to Quinn or Anderson. Until that situation is sorted out, he remains in play, and our QB's don't. So.......I think the odds are clearly in favor of us keeping both QB's into camp, with the best one taking the job. I'd PREFER that it be Quinn, if only because he's mobile. However, I've seen nothing of him that tells me he's such a greater prospect than Anderson. In fact, I think the way Anderson has carried himself through all this reflects very well on him. I also think Quinn is a little bit of primmadonna, but why I feel that way can't be talked about because it's forbidden

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That was between Anderson and Frye (which in and of itself was absolute stOOpidity). By the time Crennel finally decided on Quinn, the timing was all wrong (again with the stOOpidity).

Regardless, Crennel would be the one guy Anderson would be bent at, and he and his idiotic decisions and proclamations are long gone.......

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It's amazing that the further we get away from Savage, the dumber he looks.....

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Isn't that the truth. I swear if I ever see him in person, I'm apt to punch him.

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Anderson is a better prospect than Quinn is. Anderson is a better QB....29 TD and a Pro bowl...that isn't just a fluke...those things don't happen

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Nobody knows this. And, DA going to the pro bowl WAS, INDEED a fluke.

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Anderson is a better QB....29 TD and a Pro bowl...that isn't just a fluke...those things don't happen

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Scott Mitchell, Jeff Blake and a host of others say hi.........

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Anderson is the best QB we have had here since Brian Sipe for petes sake!

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You can't be serious, I will take Bernie everyday of the week and twice on Sunday's over DA.

3 AFC Championship games in 4 years vs. 0 playoff appearances

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“If (Mangini) says Quinn is his man, other teams are gonna want Quinn,” Rutigliano said. “If he says Anderson, they’ll want Anderson.”

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All that'll happen if Mangini says one guy is the man will be a devaluation of the other QB on the trade market.

But nah, nevermind that, the rest of the NFL clearly can't think for themselves, and will want the guy Mangini backs simply because it only stands to reason that player becomes a demigod

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He said the team made “a gigantic mistake” in waiting until Game 9 of Quinn’s second season to give him more than a few plays.

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This is probably correct, though Crennel should have either started Quinn much earlier in the second season (Anderson earned the right to keep the job through season 1) or not at all. The timing of inserting Quinn was all wrong.

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Rutigliano said a Quinn versus Anderson preseason battle would be destructive. He is convinced Quinn will be a better quarterback than Anderson.

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I think it'll be good for one guy to push the other, create some pressure, and let the best man win. Of course since Sam is "CONVINCED" Quinn is a better QB, he's clearly close-minded, so it only stands to reason that it would be a "DISASTER" if his boy isn't named the QB.

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“If Quinn is not the starting quarterback, it’s gonna be a problem for him, because he’s gonna want out.”

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Frankly, if Quinn can't beat out Anderson, then OUT is where he should go. But then again, Sam believes in him so much, there's no WAY he'll lose a fair competition battle to Anderson, so Sam shouldn't be so worrisome

Let the best man win, and let the loser ride the bench.