DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Plummer is looking to be traded

First off id like to say that I really dont want to start a heated debate on bringing in Plummer as the Browns starter. I thought it was an interesting article, especially about Plummers contract and the cap hit they would take along with the teams that were mentioned of where he might land.

Broncos consider all options
Plummer's wishes to be respected, but team comes first
Marc Piscotty © News

The Broncos will consider trading quarterback Jake Plummer but only will move him if it's beneficial to the team.

By Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News
January 25, 2007
MOBILE, Ala. - The Broncos want to keep Jake Plummer on the roster.

But they are appreciative enough of the veteran quarterback's 40-18 record as a Broncos starter to try to get him what he wants elsewhere for the 2007 season.

Just as long as the Broncos get what they want as well.

"We've got a number of angles we can take," general manager Ted Sundquist said Wednesday at the Senior Bowl. "Certainly, we'd like to have him back. He's been a mainstay for us on the offensive side for four years, took us to the AFC Championship Game (of the 2005 season). And veteran quarterbacks like that, with playoff experience that have a familiarity with the team that we've got right now and the offensive system, they're not out there right now.

"But a lot of that decision hinges on what he wants to do, on where he sees himself at this point in his career.

"Does he see himself as a starting quarterback? Does he see himself as a veteran backup? He's going to have to make that decision."

The Broncos will spend the coming weeks working on Plummer's future. Plummer, who will enter his 11th NFL season in 2007, is looking at a backup role with the Broncos because the offense has been handed over to Jay Cutler.

But the market for veteran quarterbacks is expected to be thin during the offseason, so that makes trying to keep Plummer an attractive possibility for the Broncos. It also means the list of suitors for a trade would be longer.

Plummer made it clear before the end of the season he believes he still can be a starter and told several teammates in the days leading to the regular-season finale against the San Francisco 49ers that he is "playing my last game as a Bronco."

"Certainly, I think it's something we'll have to sit down and talk about," said Plummer's agent, David Dunn. "I'm sure we'll map things out in the coming days and go from there. Jake took some time at the end of the season, but he will be ready to get into that pretty soon, I think."

Dunn said he will sit down with Plummer in Mobile because his client will be there Friday. Plummer, E.J. Junior and Hines Ward will be inducted into the Senior Bowl Hall of Fame during a ceremony that night.

Sundquist said the Broncos have had some preliminary discussions with Dunn and had a discussion with Plummer about his future just before the end of the season.

"So if Jake still believes he is a starter, I think coach (Mike) Shanahan and the organization, myself included, would be flexible and open of a request like that," Sundquist said. "I don't think we'd fight him. But we would want to explore all our options as well because the worst thing we could do is to cut him outright before June 1, take the hit, without any kind of compensation."

And that is the issue. Because of Plummer's original contract with the Broncos and subsequent renegotiations - three years remain on the deal - if the team cut the veteran before June 1, it would take a salary-cap hit of $8,556,000 for the 2007 season.

If the Broncos cut Plummer after June 1, the cap hit would be over two years - $2,852,000 in 2007 and $5,704,000 in 2008.

Because Plummer's salary-cap figure for 2007 is $8,605,000, to cut him after June 1 would give the Broncos $5,704,000 in cap room this year that currently isn't on the books.

The Broncos can get that savings earlier than June 1 if they formally designate in writing Plummer will be a June 1 cut before then.

When the new collective-bargaining agreement was reached in March, it allowed teams to designate two players each year as "June 1" cuts, allowing teams to use the cap savings sooner during the offseason.

If Plummer tells the Broncos he does not want to be their backup, they would prefer to trade him than release him.

The Broncos would take the full salary-cap hit of $8,556,000 if they trade Plummer, but anything they receive in return - most likely a draft pick - has to be worth more to the team than the cap savings it would get this year with a June 1 release.

In the event Plummer stays with Denver, the Broncos would look to redo the final three years of the contract.

"But we've looked at a lot of different scenarios with Jake, as well as our entire roster," Sundquist said. "We feel like we have a good idea about what can be done. We just have to see where Jake is on that and go from there."

Possible suitors

With the quarterback market expected to be thin and the draft a little light, the Broncos could have plenty of suitors for Jake Plummer. Some possibilities.

• Houston Texans: Coach Gary Kubiak is looking for a veteran because David Carr's play regressed and Kubiak likes Plummer as a player. Plummer always has said he enjoyed playing for Kubiak, a former Broncos offensive coordinator.

• Miami Dolphins: Until Daunte Culpepper shows he has recovered from knee surgeries, most in the NFL consider the Dolphins in the market for a quarterback.

• Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Chris Simms is coming off a spleen injury, and coach Jon Gruden has said "there's a good chance there's another guy in town that'll be competing there."

• Cleveland Browns: Coach Romeo Crennel is taking some serious heat to upgrade the offense.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5303726,00.html

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Because Plummer's salary-cap figure for 2007 is $8,605,000, to cut him after June 1 would give the Broncos $5,704,000 in cap room this year that currently isn't on the books.

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Nobody in thier right minds will make a trade for him at these amounts, Wait until after Denver cuts him and sign him for less....or if they dont let spend all that money on a back-up....

We already have a mobile QB who excels at tossing INTs at the most inopportune time. Plummer wouldn't be any kind of upgrade as a starter. I'd be surprised if we were looking at trading for him.

Please NO to Jake Plummer and his 74.00 Career rating.

He isn't that good, he just isn't. Why would we want a guy with the crappy intagibles like plummer?

No, no, no

I'm not sure we have enough DLine left to even think about trading for him... I say no way.

I read this earlier today and didn't think that it was worthy of being posted.
This is just a reporter from Colorado that was writing an article about their quarterback and the possibility of him not being on the team next year for obvious reasons.
He picked a few situations in the NFL where HE felt that the team may need quarterback help and a trade might be a possibility.
Nowhere does it say that there has been any type of talks or negotiations it is just a reporter trying to fill out his column.
We don't need to debate this for a week.

Just what we need - a gunslinging, turnover prone QB who was bounced from his starting gig in the middle of a playoff run to come in and tutor Frye. No thanks.

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Because he IS much better than who we have.

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well it would be different if he was a free agent...even then I would say no.

To trade for him? =

Dear God no...

relax there dawgs...



I didnt say we should go out an get him. Merely that when compared to what we have you could understand why we consider it.


If somebody wants to argue how much better Charlie is going to be I am all for it.

how about a 3-way trade?...

Houston gets Plummer, we get Carr, and the Broncos get our #2 or #3 (or another few DL )...

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This suggests that Plummer is an 'upgrade' over what we have. Not necessarily sold on that. However, he's as close to a veteran QB as we may be able to find. Just my $.02.

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That may be true, but it's a heck price to pay to get him,,,, Trade something of value and a pretty heave paycheck to boot,,,,, Sorry, I don't see Phil pulling the trigger on that one.

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If you had to play the AFC championship game tommorow would you rather have Frye or Plummer as your starter.

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Depends on which one got me there.... otherwise, impossible to answer.

Alright...


you're the coach....


One game.....will define your coaching career and your legacy.......2 Qb's to choose from.

Based on what they have done so far...college & pros.

choose between Plummer or Frye.

Plummer..

A lot of people here in houston are hoping he gets cut... personally I've never been a fan of his.

no doubt in my mind plummer

Well like I said, I didnt want to start a Plummer debate, I dont think he would be a good fit here. But as a fan of football I like to read all news and thought it was worth sharing. I didnt think he wanted out that badly and that his contract was so much.

ooh,

Jake 'The Flake' A Brown?

Please wake me up from this nightmare....

Frye = Plummer (but Plummer has 8 years more NFL experience)

I have seen too much of Plummer to know that there is no upside to his game. The only sucess that he had was when Shanahan forced him to play as a tradtional QB and drop the Jake the Snake mentality.

nope it was just the last post in the thread.

Haha, Orpheus is the only one left and quite frankly, I wouldn't take that trade.

ya know, as much as I don't like the idea of Plummer being a Brown, he would be experience. I would not trade for him though. If he becomes a FA and is at a reasonable price then maybe. However, I think there are gonna be 2 QB's in FA that would be WAY better....1. Damon Huard and 2. Anthony Wright.

Plummer is streaky, he plays hot and cold. When he's on he's good but when he looks bad, he looks very bad. Also he hasn't done well in the playoffs. Though I don't think this team is gonna sniff the playoffs next season anyway.

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I wouldnt want Jake here but the point i was trying to make is that all things considered, the fact that others (drafts sites, the media etc...) see us as needing a QB is because ofwhat they have seen from Frye,

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No offense, but listening to what the media thinks isn't going to get you any closer to the truth..

Example, about mid way through the season, all the Chicago papers, TV sports talking heads and from what I understand, even radio sports guys were all telling Lovie Smith to bench Grossman,,, One headline actually was GROSS, Man.... In relation to slump that Rex Grossman was having..

Did you watch the game last week against the Saints... Not that he was the only guy, but he was one of the reasons the Bears are heading to the superbowl....

Media,,,,,,, most of them don't know any more than you or I,,

I'd have to say no on plummer.

Our luck with Veteran QBs hasn't been that good.

• Cleveland Browns: Coach Romeo Crennel is taking some serious heat to upgrade the offense.


And Coach RAC would probably be Cooked, Fryed and Burnt, thrown into the Garbage heap if he put all his Apples in the Plummer cart.

JMHO