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shep...you miss the point...what makes Braylon Edwards happy?
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Shep, you've left out one that's as equally important as the rest, if not more so:
Unconditional love and respect.
Part of his egomaniacal mind just can't stand the fact that he wasn't loved and adored right out of the gate. He wasn't content with earning respect. It had to be given to him first. Now that he feels unapreciated, he feels as though the fans and the city owe him that. So until he gets loved by everyone in Ohio, he's not going to be content.
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Bottom line, expecting a rookie WR to just step in and put #1 receiver numbers is about as big a crapshoot as you can take in the NFL.
My bottom line is that I don't view Crab as just any other rookie 
I know you're speaking to others, but I view Crabtree in almost the same light as I viewed Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson. I actually view him as a better prospect coming out than I did Edwards because of his hands. Edwards has filled some of the physical promise, but he's also met the negative's in his scouting report with his bad hands and ego issues. While Crab isn't the same physical stature as Edwards (He's only 1.5 inches shorter and weighs the same  ) his hands are better and he's no mental case.
If the discussion was such that we could just pluck a WR somewhere in the first round, I'd probably agree, but I don't view Crab as just some receiver. That's my bottom line.
I'd also note that your line of thinking while valid, doesn't take into consideration all the outside issues that Edwards has, such as his contract status, his status with the new regime, and his emotional issues in not liking Cleveland or the fans.
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I find it amusing how many folks are convinced that we can just draft a wide receiver and he's instantly going to put up huge numbers and we'll never miss a beat.
Where was this said???
Stay in tune with the realm of things... 
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I find it amusing how many folks are convinced that we can just draft a wide receiver and he's instantly going to put up huge numbers and we'll never miss a beat.
Where was this said???
Stay in tune with the realm of things...
Its said by every person who opines that we should trade Braylon and use the picks we get to draft another WR to replace him. I guess I am sort of going out on a limb by assuming that they want the WR we'd draft to put up similar numbers and fill that #1 WR spot on the roster. Maybe I'm wrong and they all want us to use the pick up another Travis Wilson...Syndric Steptoe could be our #1. I hear Steve Sanders is looking for work, too.
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Toad, if we're winning and Edwards is producing, then the fans are going to be with him and he's going to be happy. Look at his performance and his demeanor during the game with the Giants last year as evidence of that.
I'm glad you think highly of Crabtree, but the numbers are still against him. He's also coming off a surgery, has never played a down in the NFL, and even if we drafted him he wouldn't even know what QB will be throwing him the ball. Trading Braylon and drafting a WR even of his pedigree is not going to do anything positive for this team in the short term, and we are in no position to think about the bigger picture at this point, or the FO, most of the players, and possibly even the team won't be here at that point.
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"Toad, what's this homer card you speak of?"
I'm not sure but possibly that would be an automatic discredit to any opposition post that would possibly put a Browns player, Coach or just general position offered by YOURS TRULY  You see only the Negatives are Reality 
Frankly I would prefer a discussion?
keys bow wow "Is he capable of it? Sure, he's proven that. Can he do that consistently? The trends say no."
aha and here in lies my argument. It is my contention the Bad BE is there regardless. 07 n 08. And yet we see an outstanding 16 TD true Pro-Bowl deserving season. And one  what was that season.
Is it BE though??? Just what TREND of consistency is in the offense. The trend I have seen is a 30...something OFFENSE in the NFL EVERY freakin year except 07. I am saying it everywhere on the draft - You can't build a team around a WR. BE or anyone else we get (at WR) won't set the pace. They are a product of the SUM TOTAL...so while you see inconsistency in BE...I actually see consistency in him. Good Season or Bad - he still will have his drops. But when the OFFENSE is going good and the "OPPORTUNITIES" are there he will make the most out of it! When the Offense Sucks...it sucks not because of him! BE or any WR just is not at the Wheel of the offense directing it Good or Bad.
BE has shown us one thing. When the Offense is going good - he can play on a PRO-Bowl Level.
That is why I don't discard him so easily.
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I am saying it everywhere on the draft [forum]- You can't build a team around a WR.
And I am saying we'd not be building a team around Crabtree, but rather taking the prospect IMHO who not only fills a desperate need, but is the safest bet.
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When the Offense Sucks...it sucks not because of him! BE or any WR just is not at the Wheel of the offense directing it Good or Bad.
9 times out of 10, I'd agree with you, but Edwards went a LONG LONG way in wrecking out offense last year. He, more than any receiver in the league, was responsible for many of the problems on a teams offense.
Amazing, isn't it? That such a player can polarize the fanbase. The pro-Edwards crowd focuses on his positives while discouting the negatives, while the anti-Edwards crowd doesn't feel that he can be salvaged. To this point, it looks like the organization is ready to get rid of our last headcase. The question becomes if we can get enough back to pull the trigger.
So what do I want? I want to see Burress miss part of the season due to jail-time, so that the Giants won't have any choice but to up the anti
And Eo, last but certainly not least, The "Homer card" I was jabbin' Nas with was in jest, as he acknowledged. He's our resident Michigan Homer and A-#1 Edwards pimp.
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I swear to God sometimes you argue the stupidest points just for the sake of arguing.
shep..."you" responded to my post...why do you get upset whenever someone challeges your opinions?
You start your "babies ass" and "damn article" and on to your "stupidest" this or that....that makes you ????....what?...frustrated?
I posted Braylon's own words...in an effort to jog that memory of yours and it looks like it worked as you do remember the article?...seems you must have forgotten momentarily that you read it and just how recently Braylon exclaimed his displeasure about being a Brown and being a Wolverine playing in Buckeye territory.
I stand by what I said...Braylon controls whether he stays a Brown or not. It sure appears that Mangini and Kokinis are looking to find him a new home since Braylon appears to be so unhappy in Cleveland.
Braylon is going into the last year of his contract and now is the time to move him. Reading the latest bit of information above, it appears that the silence is getting to the "Edwards men". I find it indicative of Braylon's problems that his daddy is speaking for him.
The whole I'm a Wolverine playing in Buckeye land was so immature of Braylon. I guess Braylon thought he could get by with blaming the Buckeyes for all his drops and poor performances.
How does a coach win with players who are immature and can not be counted on, to catch a pass in Braylon's case?
I hope Braylon grows up and finishes his career in Cleveland...but I doubt that happens and it's no one's fault but Braylon's
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I guess I am sort of going out on a limb by assuming that they want the WR we'd draft to put up similar numbers and fill that #1 WR spot on the roster. Maybe I'm wrong and they all want us to use the pick up another Travis Wilson..
LOL...Not too many r dumb enuff to think a Year 1 Wideout's gonna put up 1200 and 12+...
This is a process...And we're weeding out the negative...It's adding to what we need...And what we'll GET is another receiver capable of the same thing Edwards has brung...IN THE FUTURE... And it won't come from the 5th round either...
The dude's replaceable...
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Ok, Gotcha. We're on the same page now. I think we were all along, but perhaps I didn't articulate it as well as I could have.
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Getting rid of Edwards now would be stupid. After last years performance we are not going to get much for him.
We just need to stick with him, at least through this season--cuz I am pretty sure he will bounce back. Then we can decide to do with him.
I really think that he is a great piece for this team, and if we actually win some games, I think he will be happy again---and so will most of you who seem to want him gone.
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Just skimming through the thread, I can't believe nobody has pointed out the hilarious irony of the title... Quote:
Browns would drop the ball if they decided to trade Edwards
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"Braylon Edwards" will dictate whether he stays with the Browns or not.
WOOHOO we can agree on that part. So far in his career I have to agree 110 percent. BE and only BE could make that choice. The kid has all the talent in the world and then some. However he has yet to pull his head out of his ass and make the best of his opertunity. in the NFL, or in Cleveland.
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LOL...Not too many r dumb enuff to think a Year 1 Wideout's gonna put up 1200 and 12+...
I would hope not, but some are acting as if one will in this case. But the problem is, 99% of 2nd year wideouts won't either. Nor will they in year three. Maybe they will in year four. Most will never get it. In fact, less than 10 wideouts drafted in the past four years have put up 1000+ yard seasons.
If you're fine with waiting for 3 or 4 years for our passing game to be relevant again, that's cool. I'm not.
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"Braylon Edwards" will dictate whether he stays with the Browns or not.
WOOHOO we can agree on that part. So far in his career I have to agree 110 percent. BE and only BE could make that choice. The kid has all the talent in the world and then some. However he has yet to pull his head out of his ass and make the best of his opertunity. in the NFL, or in Cleveland.
GM...thats what I'm saying...Braylon is choosing his own future via his actions or lack of remorse for acting like a immature kid with his comments last Dec.
It sure looks like Mangini and Kokinis have made up their minds and it appears they don't want to deal with whatever is bothering Braylon. How can Mangini "make" Braylon want to play his butt off for the Browns?
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at one point i called BE a class act,
im gonna stick my neck out and stand by that statement
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just skimming through some of this thread, people boo'd Braylon Edwards, last time I checked, he was a Cleveland Brown. You boo a Cleveland Brown, you better check your ego at the door, no fan or player is larger than the franchise.  i dont care how much you pay to "support" this team
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shep..."you" responded to my post...why do you get upset whenever someone challeges your opinions?
Not upset....just shaking head as usual when you present your conspiracy or similar theories. It's unbelievable at times.
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You start your "babies ass" and "damn article"
I said I don't give a fat baby's ass if he is unhappy.
I said I read the damned article.
2 statements of fact. Go ahead and try to blow them up into something bigger for whatever reason floats your boat, but they are just that.
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and on to your "stupidest" this or that....that makes you ????....what?...frustrated?
I said you argued the stupidest points. Again, another statement of fact. You live to argue on here.
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I posted Braylon's own words...in an effort to jog that memory of yours and it looks like it worked as you do remember the article?...seems you must have forgotten momentarily that you read it and just how recently Braylon exclaimed his displeasure about being a Brown and being a Wolverine playing in Buckeye territory.
And it seems to me that you are using one of your typical debating tactics on here by the way you worded the above.
I didn't forget anything....I don't go by one article to form an opinion.
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I stand by what I said...Braylon controls whether he stays a Brown or not.
No he doesn't. That's not an opinion that is a fact. He can be franchised, or he may be an RFA. The Browns hold the cards, not Braylon.
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It sure appears that Mangini and Kokinis are looking to find him a new home since Braylon appears to be so unhappy in Cleveland.
Show me. Show me where they shopped him around. They answered inquiries about him, that has been reported. Show me where they announced he was available on the trading block.
Here is one quote from Kokinis:
Kokonis also indicated that he plans on keeping his only proven receiver. "We exchanged ideas...but nothing really culminated into specifics," he said. "I'm excited to have Braylon on this team. He had extremely good production a couple years ago and we're anticipating he has that this year."
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"When you come into a new situation, [with] all the changes in the coaches and the GMs, I don't think you go out and say, 'Hey, it's an open market and take whoever you want.'
"I look at somebody else's rosters. They look at our roster. That coach is going to look at that roster. He has familiarity with this player, he's coached this player down the line. I think exchanges occur.
"I don't think it's active with 'shop.' When you say the word shop, it's a specific player - 'Can I have a two for him?' I don't think we've done that at all."
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Braylon is going into the last year of his contract and now is the time to move him. Reading the latest bit of information above, it appears that the silence is getting to the "Edwards men". I find it indicative of Braylon's problems that his daddy is speaking for him.
As usual, you're reaching. You nor I know why his dad made the statement......but regardless you ignore the fact that the statement disagrees with your stance.
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The whole I'm a Wolverine playing in Buckeye land was so immature of Braylon. I guess Braylon thought he could get by with blaming the Buckeyes for all his drops and poor performances.
Was Tressel in his head in 2007 when he caught 80 passes for nearly 1300 yards and 16 TDs???? If he wasn't then why is he now?????
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j/c...
I thought about it... The Browns should definitely keep Braylon Edwards... He is a star. He is a great player. Hate that he doesn't catch as well as he should, but man... The guy can flat out play football.
If he does well next year... IMO.. He probably deserves another contract.
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shep...I have no problem "debating" with you but you have this habit of attacking those that challenge your opinions.
Your entitled to your opinions and you don't see me calling you stupid or what you post is stupid or anything like that. I may post some facts from the internet that challenge your opinions, but I dont launch into personal attacks on you.
I stand by what I said, Braylon Edwards will decide if he remains a Brown or not.
If Braylon does have a sit down with Mangini and shows he's ready to stop his childish behavior, then that might go a long way toward him remaining a Cleveland Brown. But that is up to Braylon...
You claim the Browns can franchise Braylon (next year) and force him to stay with the Browns. But if Braylon is unhappy playing for Browns, why would the Browns franchise him? Again, Braylon's happiness is not something the Browns can fix...thats is up to Braylon.
The Browns can't make Braylon grow up...
The Browns can't make Braylon a happy to be playing in Cleveland...
If Braylon wants to try (begin) to repair the damage he alone has done to himself, here in Cleveland, he can...but again, that is up to Braylon.
Shep...BTW...your links...I can't get them to work.
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But if Braylon is unhappy playing for Browns, why would the Browns franchise him?
Simply to turn around and trade him versus letting him go via FA...
He also may be a RFA...And we'll tender him MAX and let someone negotiate a contract we won't match and take a 1st and 3rd rounder for him leaving...We may even regress to the 1st round tender...But if he stays here and has a solid year we won't do less than the MAX...
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DinD...I'm speaking in terms of "now", not next year.
The reports of Braylon being on the trading block are an issue "now".
Braylon has another year left on his contract, why would the Browns franchise him now?
Concerning Braylon's future in Cleveland, he needs to convince Mangini and Kokinis that he wants to remain a Brown.
With recent reports during March of Braylon being on the trading block, it looks as though he has not convinced Mangini or Kokinis (yet) that he wants to remain in Cleveland.
I want Braylon Edwards to remain a Brown and help us win a Super Bowl. He has the ability to be one of the elite WRs in the NFL and some of the catches he has made are just stunning.
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" but rather taking the prospect IMHO who not only fills a desperate need, but is the safest bet."
Well that pretty much fall in the old adage about Opinions and Holes...everyone's got one  Safest bet? You do realize the kid has a metal pin in the growth plate of his foot
"9 times out of 10, I'd agree with you, but Edwards went a LONG LONG way in wrecking out offense last year."
hmmm DA or BE, DA or BE - maybe the guy who got demoted had the most to do with "wrecking our offense last year" Again - you have been influenced by Fantasy Leagues and possibly the waning playing days of your football career (touch games) but you put waaaaayyy to much importance of WR regarding determining what is a Good offense or not. WRs - dictate NOTHING good or bad...they contribute to the overall energy of an OFFENSE...If they did carry a team then no-way the Lions would be 0-16 with Calvin and his skills. No way the Texans would be perrenial losers of their division with Andre Johnson.
Those are probably 2 of the most talented WRs in the NFL. If it was at all possible for the WR to be "THE CATALYST" if a WR like BE can flip the switch for good or bad season then those teams would have the best offenses not some of the worst.
Opinion go ahead have one...unfortunately you disagree with me and happen to be no where close to the reality of what the WR position has to influence the NFL game.
Homer card...trust me if used - mostly I laugh as long as its not used as a reason that my opinion is not credible. No big deal.
After all is said and done...we get a deal we cannot refuse...Go for it.
I don't think its the time to Shop him...but the way we are handling it is just fine. Listen to all offers and if something is "GOOD" for the Browns - go for it. BE is not a fixture...not after all that which I opined regarding the worth of a WR as a leader and building block.
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Safest bet? You do realize the kid has a metal pin in the growth plate of his foot
And yet you're inferring that he's a risk becaue of a procedure that's not at all risky. Fascinating...
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hmmm DA or BE, DA or BE - maybe the guy who got demoted had the most to do with "wrecking our offense last year"
There's a difference between being RESPONSIBLE and being a PART OF why an offense failed.
Anderson was part of it. Edwards was part of it. The offensive line was part of it. Winslow was part of it. Chud was part of it.
For a guy that preaches "team" it sure is convenient that suddenly it's just "DA"
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BE is not a fixture...not after all that which I opined regarding the worth of a WR as a leader and building block.
We can agree that he's not a fixture. We can agree that shopping him in the hopes of getting a good deal is a fine idea. We can't and won't agree on most of anything else regarding the draft, the QB's, and probably several other things coming ahead *L* 
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Way to spin off an injury on a guy that you're talking about as the "SAFEST" pick.
It would appear that the entire NFL disagrees with you, as he's going early in the draft.
Furthermore, fixing a stress-fracture isn't a career-threatening surgery It's a pin. Nothing more. Since you feel it's a serious issue, feel free to reveal information that states repairing a stress fracture with a pin represents a realistic chance of compromising his future.
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You know you have absolutely no shame in the level you stoop to in your debates.
Very little, but not none at all  The difference as I see it is that I'm quite content to be and admit myself, which apparently isn't something you're ready to do yet, as others constantly attest
I say Edwards played a significant role in the offenses fall last year.
You counter saying DA was more responsible.
I say I wasn't assigning more blame to Edwards and spread the blame out to others.
Now you're bent out of shape and wrongly believe I said the WR was more responsible, and you want to debate it
I'll pass, but thanks all the same
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And news of the foot injury didn’t seem to raise any red flags Saturday.
"He’s not going to play anytime soon, as I see it," Chicago Bears coach Lovie Smith said. "It’s not a career-ending injury or anything like that. He’s a good football player. He has got plenty of time to get well. I don’t think it’ll hurt him a lot.
"Everybody has a history. He has a history; his history is pretty good. I think he’ll be OK."
This was when the injury was first diagnosed. Since then, his draft stock hasn't been hurt at all.
You.........or Lovie Smith.............You............or Lovie Smith............
Yeah
I mean honestly............imagine that..............a football player who dealt with an ankle injury throughout the season.
Hey, if you want to suggest that having a pin inserted into his foot to heal a stress fracture is a big risk, by all means, have at it. Unfortunately for you, the rest of the NFL doesn't agree with that assessment, as he's still a top-10 pick. That indicates they don't feel there is any risk at all here, so don't be offended if your sad attempt to discredit Crabtree as a safe bet doesn't hold up to PROFESSIONAL opinion
To reiterate my stance, I view Crab as the safest pick when examining the big picture. While his injury meant he had to have surgery, he won't stand any more of a chance of future injury with this foot than any other player would. Furthermore, the term "safest pick" represents more than just his foot It represents a guy who's skills are out there for everyone to see. There aren't questions as to whether or not he's big enough, whether or not he can drop into coverage, or whether or not he has enough rush ability to play OLB. The term also represents addressing a NEED, and though Curry is a fantastic player, we don't currently have a need at either ILB position.
Hey, the odds that we take him are long. We need defense more than offense, because defense wins championships, and 'Gini and Kok probably want to fix one of those holes first. I'll understand virtually any guy we take, as this draft is a crapshoot at the top. However, I think the odds are decent that we'll find a trade partner for Edwards, in which case Crab becomes a favorite.
(Good to have ya back. I was afraid you were getting complacent on me *L* )
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Good post toad. I think the same. IF Crabtree is fine and ok from the foot.........he's #1 pick. Kid is that good. Every game I saw I was impressed. He will be good in the NFL.......or more likely than any other draftee. (IMO) Orokapo is very scary to me.........workout wonder? Or Winslow w/o the Knee at a differentl position. Still I have doubts he can make it at DE or LB. Curry....is a lock type of talent and just a step below crabtree imo, but has no injury worry so to me would be a good pick. So personally I would be ok with a trade and Crabtree. Or no trade and Curry.
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DinD...I'm speaking in terms of "now", not next year.
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he reports of Braylon being on the trading block are an issue "now".
According to whom???????? You? You don't count......
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Braylon has another year left on his contract, why would the Browns franchise him now?
Not only would they not do that they cannot do that......and this is typical of your debate tactics to attempt to muddy the water by saying dumb things.
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Concerning Braylon's future in Cleveland, he needs to convince Mangini and Kokinis that he wants to remain a Brown.
Why? Because he dictates whether or not he is a Brown???? WRONG!!! The Browns do!
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With recent reports during March of Braylon being on the trading block, it looks as though he has not convinced Mangini or Kokinis (yet) that he wants to remain in Cleveland.
On the trading block according to who??????????? Please understand that just because there was discussion doesn't mean the Browns had him on the block, which is what your twisted words are indicating again. Please show me where we offered him in trade to NYG, Philly, or anyone......please show me.
Also please answer my Jim Tressel question from the last post.
I am so deeply sorry that my links did not work for you mac....as the board sometimes does, it threw and extra hypertexttransferprotocol in there but the link can still be viewed easily as to ensure it's accuracy.
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hep...I have no problem "debating" with you but you have this habit of attacking those that challenge your opinions.
I have an issue with people who make things up and avoid answering direct questions, as you have habitually done with your conspiracy type crap for ten years.
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You claim the Browns can franchise Braylon (next year) and force him to stay with the Browns. But if Braylon is unhappy playing for Browns, why would the Browns franchise him? Again, Braylon's happiness is not something the Browns can fix...thats is up to Braylon.
TO DEAL HIM as I had already stated in a previous post that obviously you didn't read and when DinD responds with the same you try to twist it around. 
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Interesting take,, I agree.. One funny thing: Quote:
Unfortunately for you, the rest of the NFL doesn't agree with that assessment, as he's still a top-10 pick.
Not yet,,, it could be predraft Hype.. Remember, everyone thought that Brady Quinn would be a top ten pick... in fact, it seemed as if the entire football world thought that..
So nothing is for sure,,,, YET.... But I think you and the league are right about him....
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QBs are a different beast when it comes to things such as this.....
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Just as I suspected...you are a girl 
Love busting your chops....no big deal. Facts are facts. You're just barking up the wrong tree 
enjoy.
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have an issue with people who make things up and avoid answering direct questions, as you have habitually done with your conspiracy type crap for ten years.
shep...can't debate the issue, so you feel it's your responsibility to attack any individual who has a differing opinion than yours...right?
Make things up?...its my opinion.
Attack me all you want...Braylon's comments about never feeling the love of Buckeye fans because he was a Wolverine was Braylon's way of saying, he wants out of Cleveland...
...shep, you disagree with this comment..fine.
We have already seen what Mangini did with Winslow. My impression is, Mangini is not going to keep players around who don't want to be here. As much as I want Braylon to remain a Brown, I can't disagree with a coaching philosophy that is based on the belief that a player must have the desire to play on Mangini's team.
...shep, you disagree with my take on Mangini?...fine...I stand by my comment.
It was Braylon who put himself in the (Winslow) category of "problem child", last Dec. and he has done nothing to show he has had a change of heart about playing in Cleveland (in front of Buckeye fan).
...shep...you disagree with my above comment?...fine...but I stand by it... Braylon did this to himself.
With this being the last year of Braylon's contract, his problem with drops and his comments from last Dec, I don't see how Braylon remains with the Browns...and how could anyone blame the Browns for trading him?
...shep...you disagree with my logic in the above paragraph...fine...I stand by my opinion of the situation.
If Braylon remains with the Browns, it will be because "Braylon" shows Mangini and Kokinis some "maturity" along with the "desire" to play in Cleveland.
It's up to Braylon...mac
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Sorry. Disagreement. Damage control for TEAM. get what you can while you can. Picks over "blown assignments, wrong routes, holding, offsides and other drive-killing lunacy. Cut our throats last year, and we need to move on. His happiness? Not my concern. Drops and losses are. Give me a solid player; give me picks. How do you "fix" somebody who is complacent about his own performance in the Bigs? He won't respond well to the regime coming in, and we still will waffle over the QB. Lack of self-discipline; trade weak for stronger IMO. 
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Make things up?...its my opinion.
So, again, I ask.....if Jim Tressel got into Braylon Edwards' head in 2008 why didn't he in 2007?
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Make things up?...its my opinion.
So, again, I ask.....if Jim Tressel got into Braylon Edwards' head in 2008 why didn't he in 2007?
Because Tressel is only in his head when Braylon sucks.
you had a good run Hank.
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Remember, everyone thought that Brady Quinn would be a top ten pick...
Well, not quite. The feeling was that if WE took Thomas instead of Quinn, he stood a great chance of free-falling, and free-fall he did.
I also didn't feel that Quinn was in the same category of prospect as Crab is now, and apparently neither did other teams.
Now, having said that, point taken about Crab not being a top-10 player yet. I technically do have to wait until he's drafted before I can make that claim as an absolute. But......
So, coming full-circle back to Edwards......
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What do you think about taking Crabtree and putting him on the other side of BE as the #2 while we work out whatever contract details need be worked out? This isn't a "we shouldn't address our other needs" question, but more of a dynamic addition question.
This would also put us in a better position come contract talks with BE depending on how well Crabtree progresses in his understanding of the offense. We wouldn't necessarily feel forced to bend over to keep him if Crabtree works out and it would give Crabtree the ability to absorb the offense and not have as much pressure because of BE on the other side.
#5 - Crabtree
#36 - LB
#50 - Center/RT
Seems like a semi decent way to go that would provide some excitement. Especially if Crabtree turns out to be as good as you think he is.
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i was thinking about that this weekend also. I watched some highlights of crabtree and he doesn't seem to be the same receiver in an edwards/fitzgerald mold as much as he appears more like a stallworth/desean jackson where he catches the ball and has a lot of YAC. putting him with BE could work and maybe, with a big year and a reasonably large contract, BE and the city'll forget the past misunderstandings.
the problem, though, with this line of thinking is that there is no reason to spend the #5 overall to find a complementary receiver in BE, where we could find one later in the draft.
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What do you think about taking Crabtree and putting him on the other side of BE as the #2 while we work out whatever contract details need be worked out? This isn't a "we shouldn't address our other needs" question, but more of a dynamic addition question.
Oh Hell, Keys, in a perfect world I'd keep them both and have a suddenly dynamic set of starting receivers
It would allow Crab the ability to spend a year developing without having the weight of the offense on his shoulders. If Edwards ultimately leaves (which I think is nearly a given) he could transition much easier to the #1 spot.
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Well, not quite. The feeling was that if WE took Thomas instead of Quinn, he stood a great chance of free-falling, and free-fall he did.
If you go by the mock drafts and experts then almost everyone had Quinn as a top 10. Tampa drafted behind us at #4, the Vikings at #7, and the Dolphins (see Ted Ginn) at #9.
No one had Quinn getting past the Fins. Especially the Dolphin fans at the Ted Ginn Jr press conference that openly -d Cam Cam.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2007
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He was not able to participate in the Combine, the Pro Day. I'm not saying don't take him in the top 10 or don't take him in the 1st. But to claim he is the "SAFEST" pick at #5 borderlines absurdity at its highest degree...but you go right ahead and make a fool of yourself 
