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If you got 100 non Ohio residents and asked them would they rather live in Cleveland or New York City do you really think the majority would pick Cleveland?

If you do then I think you need to get out a little more.

Hell, I love Ohio and I'd stop and think about that one.......

You could take 100 Ohio residents and a good number of them would rate NYC better than Cleveland in just about any way you wanted to rate them..

I believe Peen's point is that while we all think highly of Cleveland the city's reputation is not that high. Even in Ohio.

Truth be told, I think Columbus would rate higher with most Ohioans that Cleveland.

Actually, in the ability to attract players, as with most things in life, perception is reality. And the outside perception is that Cleveland is the place where the river caught fire.

I understand both of your points.....just saying that they can't be validated on here. Dependent on which residents you ask and where (and when) you may get results that indicate strongly to the opposite side.

The gist of the argument anyway is not what other residents would prefer, it is what Edwards would prefer.......so these are moot points.

I think Chad Johnson will be a Giant before BE...then again Browns and what he'll insist on getting in return will make our demands much more attractive...so who knows.

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If I were the Gnats I'd take Ocho Stinko and Cinci's first two picks for taking him... That would still be a deal Cinci wins on!

Chad Johnson is TO without the talent level.

its all personal preference Otto .. personally I think U would be surprised by the results ... while folks may prefer many things in NYC (pretty much compared to anywhere in the world) at the end of the day they may still pick living in c-town or any other ciry for that matter ..

I LOVE nyc ... my 2nd favorite place in the world .. and I've been fortunate enough to see alot of it ... I go there as much as I can .. when i was in my 20's i went there 10 or 12 times a year for about 5 years in a row ... I sill LOVE to go to NYC .. but for way different things then when i was in my 20's .... but i could NEVER EVER LIVE THERE .. it is a great place to visit but FOR ME .. i could never live there ... seeing dogs pooping on cement is just wrong and so un-natural .. *L* .... and i need to see grass on a daily basis ...

so like i said .. u may be surprised at the results if such a poll were conducted .. NYC would kick c-towns ass in just about everything but even before COST OF LIVING was factored in .. i bet more folks would want to live in C-town that u think ..

as shep said .. its really all mute anyhow .... only thing that matters here is how Brey feels .. and Brey seems to be the LIMELIGHT guy .. and there is no more limelight than in NYC ..

but actually .. the ones that really matter are the BROWNS .. we hold the keys to Breys future .. we DECIDE if he gets traded ..then next year we DECIDE weather to keep him or trade him again .. he can DO NOTHING w/o us ALLOWING IT ...

personally ... if he dead set against being here .. he needs to go ... here is how i'd handle it ..

if we can get a suitable replacement in this years draft, I trade him this year ... if not I let him stay here this year and tell him hes going to be gone next year and hes going to be getting a new contract after next year .... so go out and play for that contract .. then next year tag him and ship him for the best offer ... by then we should be able to find some sort of replacement ..

but thats just me ... and u never know .. he may re-sign here in the next few weeks and maybe all this talk of not wanting to be here is ust a BARGAINING CHIP ... who knows ...

I know I'm biased toward Cleveland, but I have to say that all the talk that essentially no players would want to come here is ludicrous.

I mean, if that was the case, would a free agent ever sign here? What about a place like Green Bay? Seriously, what's up there besides football? And what about Minneapolis, Buffalo, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Indianapolis or even Pittsburgh? They're not big cities with a nightlife like a New York, or a Dallas, or a Miami.

Yet, those teams still exist and, in some cases, actually compete.

Money talks, but players also want to go places where they are going to be part of a competitive team.

Frankly, if a player doesn't want to be here just because of the nightlife or the exposure, then to hell with them. I want FOOTBALL players here, not commercial and movie stars.

JMHO

"I have to call you for BS on that one Otto. Why would people outside of Ohio have to prefer New York?"

thats true...why people in Ohio could prefer New York too...it shouldn't be limited to just Outside of Ohio... good catch

lol

Outside of Maybe Bethpage Black...I would opt for your Golf courses over ours

.. Money talks, but players also want to go places where they are going to be part of a competitive team ..

100 loss's over the last ten seasons " Competitive " ???? I love my Browns , but you really can't call this organization competitive ..

Just wanted to throw this in here again from Grossi's "Hey Tony" column because some people don't get it:

Hey, Tony: If there is no collective bargaining agreement signed by next summer, would Braylon Edwards only be a restricted free agent? I would think that would decrease the likelihood that he would get traded and/or increase his trade value. -- Michael Conway, Canada, Calif.

Hey, Michael: Yes, if the NFL heads into 2010 as an uncapped year, five-year players with expiring contracts would be considered restricted free agents. Any team that would trade for Edwards now would want to sign him to an extension.

First and foremost, I would like to commend The New York Football Giants for making the decision that they did in releasing Plaxico Burress...
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The New York Giants are one of the NFL’s flagship franchises, and Plaxico Burress’ actions this past November completely and utterly embarrassed and demeaned them. The Mara family does not take lightly to being crossed, and this situation was as I mentioned, very embarrassing to them.



Having said all that, The New York Giants and particularly General Manager Jerry Reese, had fully backed the return of Burress to the team.



So why did they release him?



Back in January, Plaxico Burress’ agent Drew Rosenhaus sent an e-mail out to each NFL team informing them that Plaxico could be acquired via trade. This greatly maddened The Giants, as they were still behind Burress, yet he and his agent were essentially turning the other cheek.


As if the situation hadn’t been murky enough, The Giants withheld Burress’ $1 million signing bonus after suspending him in December. Burress felt as if the team was in the wrong by doing so, and filed a grievance through The NFL Players’ Association.



In a grievance settlement, The New York Giants offered Plaxico all $29.5 million in the form of a new contract, and Burress said no.



Plaxico Burress had spit in the face of one of this league’s premier franchises one too many times. Burress expressed total and utter refusal to cooperate with the demands of anyone in The Giants organization.



Make no mistake about it though; The New York Giants have plenty of options to work with in an attempt to win another Lombardi trophy. Allow me to examine of each option.



Develop Their Current Crop of Receivers



In the past few seasons, The Giants have spent high picks on Sinorice Moss, Steve Smith, and Mario Manningham. Now while none of these names are particularly scary, that’s nothing that an adjustment to scheme couldn’t fix.

During the final five games of the 2009 season, the Giants tried to utilize Dominick Hixon as if he were Plaxico Burress, as he found himself running very similar routes, all of which took some time to develop.



Eli Manning used a lot of five and seven step drops and stood flat footed for seconds at a time. Hixon, Moss, Smith, as well as Manningham would all thrive in a more west coast- type passing game filled with quick slants, outs, hitch routes, and of course fly patterns to keep defenses honest.

Every time Moss stepped foot on the field for New York, he was given a 10 to 15 yard cushion.



If Offensive Coordinator Kevin Gilbride could put together a game plan, he could surely find a way to utilize what may be one of the speediest receiving corps in the league. For anyone who questions this approach, think about Eli Manning’s success in the two minute drill, where most of the throws are very quick.

In majority of game situations, Eli sits back the pocket and waits for routes to develop downfield. In my opinion, regardless of who the flankers are in 2009, the Giants need to incorporate more of these types of routes into their game plan to awaken the passing game.



Trade For Braylon Edwards or Anquan Boldin



Not the most economic of moves for Big Blue, but maybe the most likely at this time. I consider Edwards far more practical fortThe Giants.

The Dallas Cowboys set the bar high earlier in the year, dealing a first, third, and fifth round picks for Roy Williams, and it appears that Arizona won’t move Boldin for less than that.



On the other hand, The Giants have reached out to Cleveland in regards to Edwards, the same cannot be said for Boldin, at least not yet.

Keep in mind, the Giants restructured Corey Webster’s contract just a few weeks back and converted a lot of his cap money into a signing bonus and have waited to give Eli an extension when they could easily have done so already.



Add the release of Plaxico on top of that, and all of the aforementioned pieces of information point in the direction of an imminent trade.

The Giants currently hold two separate second round picks, third round picks, and fifth round picks. Jerry Reese has been quite coy about the fact that he will not be bringing in ten rookies this season; there just isn’t room on the Giants' roster.



If New York can deal for Edwards and still retain their first round pick, they should (and I believe will) pull the trigger. Edwards is a big, physical presence who can provide instant points as a red-zone target and proved in 2007 (where he had 1,200 plus yards and 16 touchdowns) that he can be a very dangerous threat in this league.

In the end, Edwards allows New York to keep that eighth defender off the line of scrimmage, and not skip a beat offensively.



Invest a First Round Pick In a Receiver



The 2009 class of wide receivers is marginally more talented than the 2008 class, but that doesn’t mean that any one of the players can contribute to New York’s success in 2009 or beyond.

Michael Crabtree will be off the board long before the Giants select, and a trade up would cost at least the Giants first three selections and a player to get in Crabtree’s range.

Outside of Crabtree though, there are several other intriguing options available in round one (which was shifted because Chicago dealt their pick and were in the mix for a receiver). Here are some scouting reports.



Hakeem Nicks, North Carolina

Hakeem Nicks possesses some of the best tools of any receiver in this draft. He has great awareness of route running, and knows how to use his body very well. He has great run-after-the-catch ability, and showed to ability to absolutely take over a game this year against West Virginia.

Nicks may be able to come in and help this Giants team immediately, as his greatest asset was having played in a pro style offense with a full route tree at North Carolina.

Regardless, Nicks' tools are hard to ignore and he would surely provide a new dimension to the Giant offense. They lack a true run-after-the-catch receiver, and a receiver who can effectively run every route in the playbook.

Darius Heyward-Bey, Maryland
After running the fastest 40 at the NFL Combine, “DHB” saw his stock rise dramatically. He was an explosive playmaker at Maryland, and was used in any way that could get him touches (reverses, screens, etc.).

Speed is always appreciated in today’s NFL offenses, but DHB’s one issue is how his game will translate to the NFL. After having success running gadget plays in college, will he be able to run a full route tree in the NFL with success? Will he see the same success with the gadget plays in the NFL?

For the Giants, Heyward-Bey may be just who they are looking for in terms of a wideout who can be a threat to catch the ball downfield and draw the safeties' attention. That alone is very important to New York, and his upside is difficult to ignore, as he is the fastest receiver to come out in some time, and has very good size.

Unfortunately, DHB may be a stretch at the 29 slot, as there are some very wideout- hungry teams who select well before New York. A trade up is always possible, but is Reese totally sold?

Percy Harvin, Florida
Regardless of position, Harvin is a playmaker from wherever he lines up. He took a lot of snaps from the backfield, as well as at flanker.

His NFL career will be determined by how well he is used and in what system. He is a playmaker without a doubt, and whatever team that picks him up would be wise to get him involved early and often.

The Giants offense needs someone who can take it to the house, wherever they line up. Down the stretch in the 2008 season, the Giants offense lacked a threat to beat teams for six points on a given play. With that in mind, opponents stacked the line of scrimmage in an effort to stop the Giants rushing attack.

In the end I doubt Reese thinks that he will be the guy who can save Big Blue in The Giants offense.

Kenny Britt, Rutgers
Kenny Britt is a big (6'4") target who is the Big East's all time leading receiver (ahead of Marvin Harrison). While the success rate of young receivers is usually very low, Britt does possess many aspects to his game that could prove to be commodities immediately.

With or without Burress, Britt is an amazing go-to guy in the red zone, which is something Big Blue is desperate for. He runs very crisp routes and knows how to use his body to be physical, fight through tackles, and win the jump ball.

Moreover, he has the look of an eventual No. 1 receiver in the NFL, so with Plaxico, he makes a great duo and eventual successor, and without him Britt is an amazing red zone target at worst.

In conclusion, I project that Braylon Edwards will be New York's new No. 17 in 2009. The signs all point that way, and it makes the most sense. The Giants can then invest their first round pick in a defensive player to continue to augment what was one of the best defenses in the league in 2009.

One other possibility to keep in mind would be a deal for Tony Gonzalez. Gonzalez would likely cost a third rounder, and can help move an eighth man out of the box, be a red zone threat, help Kevin Boss develop, and be Eli’s “go to guy.”

Stay tuned on this one, even though I was opposed to a trade at the outset, I am currently on board and believe that it will happen. While I believe that our current receivers are “good enough”, spending otherwise minimally valued picks on an immediate offensive weapon is a very good idea.

Braylon Edwards will wear blue in 2009.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/150516-giants-close-door-on-burress-open-it-to-edwards-and-boldin

He's been blue since he scholarshipped at UM,...

I really hope we can hang on to him, but the likelihood of a trade matched with his contract outlook for 2010, makes that appear less probable. Not that I am simply "disposing" the Stallworth tragedy, he now offers the team as much as he did last year---nothing.

Trading Braylon requires getting 2 WR's in return. It might just be better to take Crab or wait on Robiskie later. It's a crapshoot without knowing what The Master Plan is.

A general reply. Trade the guy. One good year, a few below par years. be is a me, me I guy. Never wanted the guy and never liked the pick. Lets get a/some quality picks for the underachiever, headcase and build our team throught the draft. No player is irreplacable and the Browns have plenty of holes to fill now. Lock and load... Click, click... Pull the trigger... Got fork?

I understand your points. I never trust anyone that says trust me...

Let me put this a little differently; Flat out trade the guy. One good year, a few below par years. be is a me, me I guy. Never wanted the guy and never liked the pick. Lets get a/some quality picks for the underachiever, headcase and build our team throught the draft. No player is irreplacable and the Browns have plenty of holes to fill now. Lock and load... Click, click... Pull the trigger... He's not gone yet?

What we don't know is if Kokogini has tried to negotiate a long term deal with BE. Common sense tells me they should have a deal on the table for him and put the ball in his court. If he would flat out reject an extension it would be an easier decision to make.

The article mentions the G-men keeping their round 1 pick. As they are picking really low, IMO that does not sound realistic. Would they trade all their other picks and Hixon for BE

I vaguely remember reading now that you posted it, but is that report also implying that the Browns would have pulled the trigger on Smith, a 2nd, and a 5th? That doesn't seem like enough and makes me question the validity.

Regardless, we have to get a WR back - one that can play ... no ifs, ands, or buts...'cause if we don't, it's going to be a long season.

I would not be opposed to having BE this coming year or even long term, but at what price?

Mary Kay stated that BE will want a huge payday in the neighborhood of $10m per year after his contract expires. She went on to remark that the Browns would not be willing to pay that much. Logic dictates that she is probably accurate.

IMO we need to play it safe and get something while we can and his market value could be at an all time high.

The Giants have 2 seconds, 2 thirds and 2 fifths. We could do alot with those seconds and thirds.....

T.O. just signed for $6.5, I believe...didn't fact check and could be dead wrong.

Different story there...more baggage and more mileage...but the second best WR in history IMO.

well, I would say that Warfield is the # 1 and Collins is the # 2...
But then again I'm giving my age away.

IMO, Edwards is a legit # 1 but in this day and age he is going to walk no matter what Kokogeni lays on the table. Let's get a Webster Slaughter and a Reggie Langnhorn... JMO

Every team needs a big WR. We don't have one if we trade Edwards. My concern if he is traded would be for our QB. Even when he is not catching the ball he draws a lot of attention from the defense. Can DA or Quinn be successful with our current receivers minus Edwards. I am not sure about that. I only trade Edwards if Crabtree is the target at #5. Edwards and Crabtree together could prevent many teams from putting 8 in the box which would immediately improve our running game.

If we plan to win many games next year we may need to keep BE. If they trade him, which I can't make up my mind if I like it or not, do we have any threat on Offense. Defense may win championships, but nobody ever won a game scoring 0 points.

I don't think he will ever be the best wide out in the NFL. He lacks the willingness to make the tough catch over the middle. Plus he does not use his hands to catch the ball, too many balls get to his pads. I like the guy, but he is also a bit sensitive to criticism.