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Woo hoo!!!! Chicago was the one team noone really expected to go after a QB because they have never had a decent QB.
Now there are several teams still in need of a QB and very limited options. #5 and DA looks a whole lot better today than it did yesterday folks.
I keep saying that when Cutler is traded(just didn't know it would be DA-BEARS )..it will leave some teams still with a hole @QB...and we one to send ..DA...
I'm not worried about Quinn being unhappy..I also like to see what was going to happen on Cleveland's end on that trade..if it is true...U know how after the smoke clears, it's often said:"Oh we never had any serious discussions"..blah blah blah...
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I just saw this and thought it would fit here... rather than starting a new thread.....
DUPLICATE ARTICLE ALREADY POSTED WITHIN THREAD DELETED
Ahh Dang it,, they changed the headline and I didn't have time to read the whole dang thing.. Sorry bout that.. I just looked at the Headline and thought it was new... Bummer.. Sorry ref
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Browns coach Eric Mangini denied a report Thursday that the Browns were involved in three-way trade talks that would've sent quarterback Brady Quinn to Denver.
I'll take Jeannie's word over an UN NAMED SOURCE ... but hey .. that don't fit your view ..
well hows about this . IF .. and thats a HUGE IF your RUMOR is true .. it says the BROWNS MUCKED IT UP .. why would that be .. CAUSE WE WANTED A BOATLOAD in this trade .. that in and of itself says QUITE A BIT ..
if your so sure of yourself .. wanna place a wager on weather BQ gets traded or not???? .. or are u to NERVOUS to put your money where your mouth is .. remember toad ... MONEY TALKS AND BS WALKS ... my guess is I'll be seeing your back as u walk away very soon .. 
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"However, the deal involving the Browns unraveled"
Thats cause we said...pffft - why would we do that? What would we get out of it...yeah ok 
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Well, since I don't live in Cleveland maybe I'm out of the loop but I had never heard that Quinn had pissed off EVERYONE in the lockerroom. I know he and one of the Smiths got into it. But I put that under the heading "stuff happens".
As far as Derek's fragile ego and lack of self confidence how does one measure this? Seems to me that while DA might be a bit of a country bumpkin he is hardly lacking in ego or self confidence. I can't imagine any QB fitting that description.
And while it is fashionable to call Cutler a petulant child he got what he and Denver both wanted.....Jay Cutler in a different uniform. Unless you think that Denver was headed to a Super Bowl type season it seems that Denver at minimum will come out even and if they draft wisely they could end up ahead.
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Well, since I don't live in Cleveland maybe I'm out of the loop but I had never heard that Quinn had pissed off EVERYONE in the lockerroom. I know he and one of the Smiths got into it. But I put that under the heading "stuff happens".
I can't nor will I attempt to argue that one.....and agree.
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The difference in confidence level was clearly seen by me when DA went out and Quinn came in. Quinn has huddle presence, DA is someone who has been yanked and is unsure of himself.
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The Bears overpaid for the noodle-armed whiny-assed QB and of course Denver will come out ahead.....
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1. surprised Diam didn't respond...but on him just now realizing that DA wasn't worth a 2nd rounder in compensation  Ummmmm actually Diam told anybody and everbody that he wasn't but it was people like me and others who hoped for more that insisted it would be possible. So you barked up the wrong tree there.
2. On the REDSKIN DEAL...what deal? Why didn't it happen? Redskins were hot on the deal...Denver was hot on the deal...Oh great, super - now lets get the Browns to agree.
We made it clear...JoeT and DQ aside - we are willing to "LISTEN" to anything out there. Not shopping just listening. Once again did we like what we heard? Was it good for the Browns? We know it was good for the Redskins...Good for the Broncos....and us??? We were just schmuck pawns to make it happen
The Deal UNRAVELED...because we said NO! I don't see what is so hard to understand - its rather simple. Why make some Houdini spin and produce an Illusion of what it isn't... We never shopped BQ. We said - Ok we will listen - Shoot. And responded with a  what are you kidding? and the deal "UNRAVELED".
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It is hard to argue with any of your opinions except the one that says he is noodle armed. Dude, he has a cannon for an arm.
You may not like his "whiney ass". But his arm is just fine.
And Denver only comes out ahead if they use those draft picks wisely. 2 or 3 Courtney Browns and this trade isn't looking so hot in 3 years.
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You may not like his "whiney ass". But his arm is just fine.
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In my opinion it´s a lose-lose deal....
Denver has to find above average starters with all the picks they got in order to become a "decent" deal...and that ain´t likely to happen
Chicago simply isn´t just 1 QB away from the big show...their OL isn´t near as good as Denver´s in pass protection, their WRs aren´t close to Marshall-Royal and their D is aging fast
Quinn: I´m at a point where I don´t care anymore...If we deal, I want good value in return for whoever we deal...that´s all I ask. I just hope we don´t draft a QB at #5...I´d rather give Quinn this upcoming season to prove himself a legitimate nfl starting QB...or bust
the guy I want gone is BE....I hope the Giants lose Burress and Philly and them get into a bidding war for his services....Philly´s late 1st is a possibility imho
1 thing I´m sure of...we won´t see Quinn to BE this upcoming season....1 will be gone by then...and...if we trade Quinn, we will draft a QB high (Sanchez), if we trade BE, will draft a WR high (Crabtree)
what would you rather want? Rookie Sanchez to BE for 1 season or Quinn to Crabtree for seasons?
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I just hope we don´t draft a QB at #5...I´d rather give Quinn this upcoming season to prove himself a legitimate nfl starting QB...or bust
My thoughts exactly. Hindsight is easy I know, but he should have been started 2008 as our No. 1 (many knew about DA's problems, which I was wiling to tolerate when we were winning, but when we are losing they are outrageously magnified).
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the guy I want gone is BE....I hope the Giants lose Burress and Philly and them get into a bidding war for his services....Philly´s late 1st is a possibility imho
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Drafting Crabtree wouldn't bother me too much if he's as good as advertised (esp. if we trade Braylon), but we need defence.
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the guy I want gone is BE....I hope the Giants lose Burress and Philly and them get into a bidding war for his services....Philly´s late 1st is a possibility imho
I'm not sure why, but I can imagine Edwards in a Raiders jersey. Maybe for Michael Bush and #40... Not that I want this to happen, I don't think we can afford to lose him now that Stallworth has been officially charged - and likely soon to be suspended.
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I can see that supposed trade of Edwards for the Giants 2nd, 5th and Hixon, Manningham being the Giants 1st, 5th and one of the WRs if the top WRs are gone by the time the Giants' pick comes up.
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Apparently we could have got Cutler but he didn't want to play for Mangini... Quote:
NFL sources said the Bears were among the most aggressive teams in pursuit of Cutler, but they were hardly alone. Washington, Tampa Bay, Detroit, Cleveland and the New York Jets all tried to seal a deal. The Browns might have won the sweepstakes had Cutler's agent, Bus Cook, not also represented Brett Favre. The longtime Packers star didn't mesh last year with Jets coach Eric Mangini, who was fired and landed in Cleveland.
Mangini reportedly was willing to give up Brady Quinn in a deal for Cutler. Quinn, who played for former Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, might have been a good fit in McDaniels' system. But Cook made it clear when talks began that Cutler wanted no part of Mangini, and fears that he wouldn't report to the Browns shut down that deal.
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I don't know how true this is, maybe this is how they are trying to spin it to make it look like the Bears were his first choice. I don't know. Hard to believe anything anyone says.
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Yes I saw the report..supposedly because Cook didn't like the relationship between Farve-Mangini...and Crybaby didn't want to play under him..
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lose - lose .. bro your way to HARSH on these types of things .. the donks are ALOT FURTHER AWAY than the Bears .. so the picks will do them a WORLD OF GOOD ... the donks need almost an entire D ... and they need RB's and OLman and now a QB .. other than that there all set .. witch means all they really have is WR's and a few players on D .. *L* .. they now have the picks to start filling the holes they have .. plus Orton will be a much better fit in McDaniles O than he was in the "stretch" passing game the Bears had ... hester was open alot but grossmans noodle arm could not get it there .. he will not be asked to do that as much in denver under McDaniles O .. am I endorsing Orton .. not even close .. but he will be a much better player in denvers new O than he was in the Bears .. The Bears .. they need lots of help on O .. but for now are still decent on D ... and they do have a RB that is pretty damm good .. at both rushing and recieving .... Cutler will be able to make good use of hesters speed and he will also utilize the hell out of Olsen who is a pretty damm good recieving TE ... top 3 or 4 in the league now with a real QB .. i think this was CLEARLY a WIN/WIN .... your crazy bro .. shep .. noodle arm .. are u kidding me bro .. he has a ROCKET ... the first time i ever heard or read ANYONE (and that includes the dolts in the media or anywhere) say Cutler has anything but a rocket was when u just said it .. no clue where that came from bro .. but thats not even close to resembling the truth .. is someone else posting under your handle bro ..  tabber .. Toad knows what i have said all along about DA ... he knows what i felt he was worth .. he just has NO WHERE to go in this little discusion so he does what he does best .. SPIN SPIN SPIN ... and i did not adress it cause it was not worth my time .. cause TOAD and U know the truth on that one .. as do almost any other poster that has the brains to read me on a regular basis ..  thanks for sticking up for me though . appreciatte it .. I'll accept that as your apology for the Wies thingie ..
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Plex's case is not going to court until June .. but everyone knows hes DONE ... there either going to come up with a plea VERY SOON or hes spending time locked up ..
his lawyer has NO WIGGLE ROOM here .. its a black and white thing and hes GUILTY AS HELL .. no way the lawyer can't even come close to creating reasonable doubt ..... he shot himself with an illegal gun ... it doesnlt get much clearer or easier to prosecute than that ..
and the DA who may have wanted to plea anyhow had his ability to do that stripped when the mayor of NY said .. NO WAY .. i want him to pay the price ..
Plex is done .. he has nuttin to bargain with .. my guess is he will accept a plea at the last minute that will have him getting very very little in return .. all there doing is BUYING TIME for his attorneys to find some hail mary type thing to get some bargaining power for him and get a better plea deal ..
HES DONE BRO .. hes in alot of trouble and it would not shock me to see him get so little in the form of a plea he does not take it and he goes to court and gets convicted and gets very close to the max he can .. hes being used as an example ....
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NFL sources said the Bears were among the most aggressive teams in pursuit of Cutler, but they were hardly alone. Washington, Tampa Bay, Detroit, Cleveland and the New York Jets all tried to seal a deal. The Browns might have won the sweepstakes had Cutler's agent, Bus Cook, not also represented Brett Favre. The longtime Packers star didn't mesh last year with Jets coach Eric Mangini, who was fired and landed in Cleveland.
Mangini reportedly was willing to give up Brady Quinn in a deal for Cutler. Quinn, who played for former Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, might have been a good fit in McDaniels' system. But Cook made it clear when talks began that Cutler wanted no part of Mangini, and fears that he wouldn't report to the Browns shut down that deal.
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I don't know how true this is, maybe this is how they are trying to spin it to make it look like the Bears were his first choice. I don't know. Hard to believe anything anyone says.
This concerns me,...not that Cutler may have been a good catch, but for who or what else is Mangini wanting to do in light of the apparent fact he can write Quinn off so easily ??
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Yet, the other article in this thread states Mangini denies Quinn was in the talks... so take it for what it's worth... And then, just for fun, Grossi gives us his opinion that Quinn is still on the block (article below). If all this smoke is really true, how can Mangini really tell someone that there is an open competition? By all account NO ONE has asked about DA. Let's see, the rest of the league wants BQ over DA, but we're just not sure who we'd start.... HMMMM c'mon, hate Mangini all you want, but he's not that dumb... Grossi, on the other hand, may be  Link CLEVELAND -- Brady Quinn fans shouldn't relax just yet. The possibility of a trade to Denver still exists. Kyle Orton, the quarterback the Broncos received in Thursday's trade of Jay Cutler to the Bears, is not the answer. Josh McDaniels, Denver's coach, has got to know that. Neither is Chris Simms, whom the Broncos signed before this brouhaha with Cutler became a daily story. As soon as the dust settled after the trade of Cutler to Chicago, the question became: So who's Denver's next quarterback? Speculation in Denver and elsewhere is that the Broncos might use their two first-round draft picks -- No. 12 and No. 18 -- to move up high enough to select Mark Sanchez of Southern California. Seattle, sitting at No. 4, already is giving signals it suddenly loves Sanchez, perhaps to sway a deal with Denver. The reality of the NFL is that nobody wants to be in the top five on draft day. And that includes Denver. So there's Quinn, still not endorsed by the Browns as their starting quarterback as he enters his third season. And there's McDaniels in Denver, filled with positive feedback about Quinn from Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis, whom McDaniels adores as an offensive football coach. If McDaniels can't trust Weis, then who can he trust? Trading the No. 18 pick to the Browns for Quinn (who was taken 22nd in 2007) makes so much sense for the Broncos, I can't believe it hasn't happened yet. They get a young quarterback schooled in McDaniels' system whom the new coach can develop and appoint as the face of his team going forward. Denver also saves its No. 12 pick for much-needed defensive help. The Browns then would own picks No. 5 and No. 18 and could use them accordingly to address their many needs. This may be the Browns' best bailout of their quarterback quandary. If they can't decide on their starter now, they probably won't be able to decide after a camp competition. At the recent NFL owners meetings, I asked coach Eric Mangini if he intended to toss a coin to decide which quarterback gets to start the first preseason game. He didn't say no. I was joking. He wasn't.
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Wow ... Grossi is REALLY REALLY UPSET that all his info has dried up .. the part about the coin flip was really all u needed to read .. man is he bitter .. gonna be comical watching him rip Jeannie for the next year or two ... for what he says about BQ and his fans .... .. thats really all the time it deserves .. now we can wait till Toad gets here and concurs with Grossi 100% and crowns him the king of NFL beat writers ..
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Unlike Grossi, I think Orton will do alright in Denver. He's not a bad QB. A couple of years ago he won a lot of games as a rookie, but the Bears stubbornly held on to Grossman as their No. 1.
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I wonder when they pull the trigger on the Quinn Deal? By processing the info out there.. even a casual fan with limited knowledge (Diam) can figure that Quinn is being dangled in front of anyone that will listen. We were not bringing Cutler here. Mangini doesn't care how many posters and Jerseys or shrines you have of him...He just isn't enamored with him and seems very content on Anderson at the helm and using Quinn to build through the draft. It's funny watching some of you spin this stuff...I told you long ago he would be on the block. All the people with so called ties and sources on here look pretty off base thus far. I'm pretty sure that deal was in the bag...something held it up but it wasn't Quinn..... Keep your Jerseys for a little longer I guess.. And Whoever put Claussen in the same line as Bradford and McCoy...  I hope you were joking.
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I'd like someone to explain how Mangini isn't enamoured with him, when there is very little info to draw on, in terms of his NFL playing time.
If Mangini would rather cast his lot with DA (we KNOW what he can and can't do) despite the fact BQ hasn't had enough time to show his stuff, then our new coach isn't too smart.
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I'd like someone to explain how Mangini isn't enamoured with him, when there is very little info to draw on, in terms of his NFL playing time.
If Mangini would rather cast his lot with DA (we KNOW what he can and can't do) despite the fact BQ hasn't had enough time to show his stuff, then our new coach isn't too smart.
He's watched the practice film from the past 2 years, and supposedly hasn't been impressed with Quinn.
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.." He's watched the practice film from the past 2 years, and supposedly hasn't been impressed with Quinn." ???
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.. And what is the source on the above comment ? Have not heard that before ..
I wish I could remember. Hopefully I'll remember soon. It may have been PFT though. It was a blurb in something I read a while ago, a few weeks. It just mentioned how Mangini was watching practice film and that Quinn didn't look real great. I don't think this is much of a surprise though, I always thought Quinn wasn't much of a practice player? Always seemed to do well in games at ND though.
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Mangini reportedly was willing to give up Brady Quinn in a deal for Cutler. Quinn, who played for former Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, might have been a good fit in McDaniels' system. But Cook made it clear when talks began that Cutler wanted no part of Mangini, and fears that he wouldn't report to the Browns shut down that deal.
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I don't know how true this is, maybe this is how they are trying to spin it to make it look like the Bears were his first choice. I don't know. Hard to believe anything anyone says.
Report: Jay Cutler didn't want to play for Cleveland Browns' Eric Mangini
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Friday April 03, 2009, 6:06 PM
CLEVELAND -- One reason the Browns didn't swing a deal with Denver is that former Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler didn't want to play for Browns coach Eric Mangini, the Chicago Sun-Times reported today. The paper, citing a source, said that Cutler's agent, Bus Cook, made it clear when talks began that Cutler refused to play for Mangini and that he feared Cutler wouldn't report to the Browns. Cutler was ultimately traded to Chicago for quarterback Kyle Orton, Chicago's first-rounder this year and next year, and a 2009 third-round pick. Chicago got Denver's fifth-round pick this year.
According to the source, Cutler didn't want to play for Mangini because Mangini didn't mesh last year in New York with Brett Favre, who is also represented by Cook.
However, Favre has always publicly stated that he loved playing for Mangini, and Mangini says he had a good relationship with Favre. At the NFL owners meetings last month, Mangini said he was exchanging text messages with Favre and invited him to come to training camp this summer as his guest, and possibly to tutor Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson.
Mangini declined comment on the report and Cook did not immediately return a phone message.
A report in the Washington Examiner on Thursday also said that the Browns were willing to trade Quinn to Denver in a three-way deal involving the Redskins, but Mangini said that report was untrue. The Redskins acknowledged Friday that they engaged in talks with the Broncos, and had a meeting with starting quarterback Jason Campbell to clear the air.
If the Broncos still covet Quinn, who reportedly was their first choice, they now have two first-round picks with which to bargain, the 12th and Chicago's 18th.
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It looks like Cutler's agent told him a different story about Farve's relationship with Mangini, than the story that Mangini is telling.
It's beginning to look like Mangini better appreciate the fact that Quinn does want to play in Cleveland....jmho
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don't waste your time with Loyal .. hes nuttin more than a troll ... not worth it ..
after BQ has been to 5 pro bowls and won us 2 SB's he will still be saying that DA or any other QB could have gone to 7 Pro Bowls and won us 5 SB's ..
hes just a troll bro ... PLEASE DON'T FEED HIM ..
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Legend
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Legend
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If we can get a 2nd rounder for DA ... Jeannie will become enamored with BQ real quick like .. *LOL* ..
the problem isn't what Jeannie thinks of BQ its what the rest of the league thinks of DA that is the problem here ..
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Legend
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Legend
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Quote:
Can we find anyone with MORE dribble than Mary Kay Cabot
well for starters theres ...
Loyal
dong
Da Man Is Hot ...
if u would like more let me know and I will be more than happy to expand the list .. 
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Legend
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Legend
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Loyal... My guess is that if that trigger were going to be pulled it would have. DA gets shipped or the two fight it out in camp... either way Quinn will be our starter. So better sell that DA jersy while you can still get $3-$4 on ebay! And as for those in the know on here... I think ... NO, I KNOW many of these guys have more knowledge about all of this than you. I will share with you though that I have been surprised by Toads position on the whole ship Quinn thing. He loves draft picks I guess. As for me I wish we had more picks but I would like to keep some of our talent too... And I will give you props for sticking to your guns and backing your man DA. (even if I think your nutz) 
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Your support of Quinn is admirable bordering on stalker-like. Loyal's support of DA is even creepier if that is possible. But I think both of you have reason to be worried.
Having watched this regime work in the last few months it would not surprise me to see them trade both guys and go with someone who isn't even here now. It's obvious that Mangini doesn't care what we think. And while people love to tout the fact that McDaniels wanted Quinn because he respects Charlie Weis's opinion so much, Mangini was on the same staff and he apparently thinks nothing of Weis's appraisal and values Romeo's council more. Thus we have the "competition" again. So go figure.
As far as people ripping Mary Kay Cabot, hey guys, she's just reporting what a Chicago paper printed the day before. She isn't making anything up. And while no one knows what story is true and which one isn't anyone who thinks they weren't shopping both QBs should step away from the crack pipe. Additionally, anyone who thinks that Eric Mangini and Brett Favre are buddies and that Favre is coming to camp should stop drinking the bong water. JMHO
"People who drink light 'beer' don't like the taste of beer; they just like to pee a lot."
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Hall of Famer
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shep .. noodle arm .. are u kidding me bro .. he has a ROCKET ... the first time i ever heard or read ANYONE (and that includes the dolts in the media or anywhere) say Cutler has anything but a rocket was when u just said it .. no clue where that came from bro .. but thats not even close to resembling the truth ..
No, I'm not kidding you. "noodle arm" is probably not the word I was looking for but if I can find the breakdown again on situational stats (not the ones on nfl.com) I will post it and explain in depth.
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