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take it you mean before the season starts. If so...........I'll take that bet. What are the stakes?
I do believe before the season starts he will be gone. My opinion of it is draft day. I don't know why but I really feel Quinn is the guy and the rest is all smoke.
Stakes? I don't know, but I do like good canadian whiskey, preferrably Wiser's Oldest.. 
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Simply put, Quinn didn't have a full grasp of the playbook so some of it was removed. That's simple operation procedure for new QB's.
What horsehockey! That is a rediculous statement. It was pointed out quite a bit how hard Quinn worked to learn the system. I recall reading how one of his strong points was his time put into study and film. RAC was the guy who constantly refused to let players play. Quinn himself was quoted as saying he wished he could have used more of the playbook and felt limited in what he could do.
Quinn was in the system for over a year and nobody is going to convince me that he didn'ty have grasp of the offense. While I respect your opinion, that just sounds like made up crap to me. One of Quinn's strong points is his intelligence for the game.
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IMO The organization has probably allready settled on going with Quinn...im sure the rest of the league knows this..out of 100% the probability of Mangini going with Anderson is less than 10%....they will most likely go with Quinn...which is fine, just pick one and be done with it
IMO they already have, they just aren't telling who. Fans love to think that they need to be in on all decisions, when what they think means nothing. I'm sure most NFL GM's and coaches in reality could give a rat's ass what the fans want. It's their job, they live with the decision, so what does telling the press or anybody else benefit them?
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but this is the first I read by real quotes not - I know cause of Inside info stuff
A quote by a former player who's a bonifide idiot really doesn't tell us anything more than who that idiot prefers at QB.
I don't know which article it is, but a few days ago I read an article that says Anderson should be the starter.
So how much credence do I put in either article? Nada, zip, zilch.
We know what we know, which is that nobody in the organization has stated one guy is THE starter. We hear buzz from various media outlets regarding things about the Cutler deal, some with Quinn going to Denver, some with Cutler coming here. If the team TRULY believed Quinn was a franchise QB, they don't look at making the move. That doesn't mean he can't be, it means they don't feel in their heart-of-hearts that he's absolutely going to be great.
There isn't anything that Winslow can say about any topic which would make me stop and reconsider my position. Winslow was an idiot. His opinion holds no value to me.
You say this above quote, yet you say this when he says something you agree with, from this thread. https://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/540599/page/0/fpart/4/vc/1
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Not that we needed any more proof that Edwards wants out, but there are posters who still believe Edwards wants to stay in Cleveland.
They were friends. They talked about this stuff. Winslow is to stOOpid to keep his mouth shut, which is good for those that want to get details out of him *L*
Interesting.
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I'll take that bet. Next time you're in Vegas, you'll owe me a beer.
Actually, if you read carefully you'll see that I didn't say "I'll bet". But I'll buy you a beer the next time I'm in Vegas anyway. Of course, I haven't been in Vegas in 30 years so it's possible that you die of thirst before I get there. 
Seriously, though, I don't get the feeling of love for either QB coming out of Berea since the new sheriff hit town. What I do think is that Mangini would have no problem whatsoever trading both guys, picking up Sanchez with one of those picks (maybe even #5) and getting a veteran like Leftwich (or in an ironic twist Garcia) to bridge any gap that there may be between now and the "Sanchez era".
It may be a goofy idea. But it's not goofy enough not to be possible.
The only way any of that happens is if they truly believe Sanchez or Stafford will a) be there when we pick and b) end up being better than Quinn. Those are both two huge question marks. I don't believe they are willing to roll the dice on both of those happening. JMO
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When we establish that Winslow is friends with Mangini or Kok, we'll be talking apples to apples. Until then, this is a little different, but I DID say that, didn't I.
Does it make a difference? Not one bit, as I did note Winslow was stOOpid. Of course that's why he opened the can-o-worms about Edwards and NY in the first place *L*
Does it make untrue anything I said about the QB situation? Not one bit.
If Winslow said he smoked a joint with Edwards while in the film room, I'd be inclined to believe him.
If Winslow said he feels that Anderson is going to be a better QB in three years than Quinn, or that Quinn will be better than Anderson, I put zero credence in that.
Hell, Hank Fraley openly campaigns for Anderson. That doesn't tell me that Anderson should be the QB. All that tells me is that Fraley should shut the heck up *L*
However, since you want to go back and do some diggin', show me where I've said I prefer Anderson to win the job over Quinn this upcoming season. I wanted Anderson this PAST season because of his experience. That was a different situation with different circumstances.
I've been very upfront about wanting a QB competition.
What I CAN do is prove where I've stated I'd prefer Quinn win the job, but it wouldn't matter if I did. You, Eo, Slinky, and the rest would just ignore it 
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Error? Who are you replying too? I said those guys HAD VIABLE CAREERS. I did not say they did not struggle early on...their teams sucked early on.
Yeah, that's true, I just misread your post,, sorry man..
My point was, and I hope I get this across right, is that sometimes, the talent that these guys eventually showed, wasn't evident from the beginning. Fans sometimes don't get it and it takes a strong coach like Noll or Jones to stand by thier man in the face of adversity..
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And nobody in their right mind would refute that. Of course the problem is that they are convinced Quinn will be good, so trading him would be a mistake no matter what the price.
I see the problem being does Mangini see Quinn being a good solid QB?
If so..he won't be traded.
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Just for your benefit, I'll repeat myself for the umpteenth time: I'm for an open competition. May the best man win."
Got news for you...only a DA guy would proposition that cause you and them are in denial that we've seen enough of DA to know he is not the QB...fact is most Dawgs aren't BQ guys they just realize with certainty that DA isn't the guy and lets find out about BQ cause if he isn't then we need another!
More spin by you to give the appearance you are just an unbiased fair guy. The only competition there should be out there is with BQ and he establishing himself as a bonafide starting QB. Actually KW2 made perfect sense. He basically said what most of us think - except he said it nicer cause who knows DA might end up in Tampa. But he stated that DA had his shot and failed - time for BQ.
" He doesn't know any more than you or I do if Quinn is ready"
Regarding McG...I sort of agree hes on Defense and he's never been in the huddle with BQ. But for you to suggest that somebody who has practiced with both and caught passes with both been in the huddle with both - should not be considered an authority on the subject. You got no credibility. Cause you don't get any more closer to the subject at hand...as long as its not a person who is bitter against the organization - his opinion is most valuable.
"A QB competition will show who's supposed to be the guy. Not Winslow, not McGinnest, not you, not me, and not any of the coaches."
Well that statement tells me a lot about you. You are all talk and really not much knowledge. Cause all a QB competition will show you is that you don't have a QB. It could create a split in the Locker room - cause a true competition will have the players picking who their favorites are. After all its a competition. You really don't have a clue do you. To suggest that is the way to go and portray yourself as this Unbiased observer...lol  DA had his shot and proven himself...
"I can give you quotes from Maurice Clarett about various people in the Ohio State huddle."
And thank you for reinforcing my opinion that you are simply a Flim Flam man in these debates and bring spin, twists and anything to portray your opinion as the Straight and Narrow. Right now that statement is to NEGATE the comments made by the only one who has been with Both QBs closely for the last 2 seasons and free to comment on the subject. I like the way you dispose of the real facts...by making statements like that. And in your world that cutsey statement is suppose to wow me and say...You know you're right KW2 and what he says on the subject is null and void and unrelated. 
"The only spin here revolves around your spinning of my quotes."
 You didn't say that...I know how dare I use exact quotes by you after all then you can't change it around to Flim Flam us some more... lol
you're a pip.
"which was as plain as day, is that no player can make a claim that this guy or that guy should be the starter. Just because Winslow caught passes from one or the other doesn't mean he's qualified to know who's supposed to be the QB"
 Why not? you know anyone closer on the subject with first hand knowledge and an opinion? You know very well WHY...cause he don't agree on your Opinion that DA would be the best QB out of the two..and to state now that is not your position you just prove the Flim Flam comments.
"Considering I didn't jump all over it when McGinnest backed Anderson, you've just been proven wrong."
Again further proof you are a Con artist with your...I don't want any QB over the other just a competition 1st off McGinnest backed both QBs and stated how.
"Of course when you're wearing your Brady Quinn underwear, you can't see reality, only pro-Quinn bias"
Wrong tree, wrong poster - Wrong personal insult.
I and many Browns fans have stated this over n over to you DA guys (even if you wish to carry on this Charade and say you are not ) - We have seen 28 starts from DA...over a span of 3 seasons. Out of 2-3 excellent games he has shown us very poor overall skills regarding being an NFL FRANCHISE QB. We don't even have to be an expert. Self professed novices like Dawg Michelle and others state - what I've seen Can't be what a REAL NFL QB IS!!!
So we want BQ to be afforded the opportunity. With no Locker room division. No sharing of important reps with the starters. To simply be named the starter QB by the start of Training camp and lets play football. After 19 starts (3 in 08) or more - we will have more of sampling of whether we have a Franchise QB or not. Cause if we don't we still got to draft one.
But to think that DA is the answer after all that we have seen - tells a lot about where you stand...you can Call a book whatever you want...open it and read it and sorry you are a DA guy - but its easier to Flim Flam if you state otherwise.
There are a couple of BQ FANS but most are simply Browns FANS knowing we don't got a QB in DA and wish to see why so many think highly of BQ...after all the Broncos seem to have. Sam Rutigliano seems to think we got a winner, KW2 thinks his time has come and why bother with DA, we know how that story ends. - wow if that ain't a mirror sentiment of most Browns fans.
But Toad thinks a QB competition is in order. Cause after all there is a history of GOOD COMING FROM THAT EXPERIENCE right?
JMHO - you should give up while you're behind cause it ain't going to get better lol
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Seriously, though, I don't get the feeling of love for either QB coming out of Berea since the new sheriff hit town. What I do think is that Mangini would have no problem whatsoever trading both guys, picking up Sanchez with one of those picks (maybe even #5) and getting a veteran like Leftwich (or in an ironic twist Garcia) to bridge any gap that there may be between now and the "Sanchez era".
It may be a goofy idea. But it's not goofy enough not to be possible.
goofy idea ... naaaa .. stupid idea ... YAAAAA ....
not a shot in hell here bro .... SILENCE IS DEADLY in this case ... and it allows folks thoughts to run rampant and into the deep, dark reccesses of their minds where nuttin but pure ignorance resides ... and thats happening around here in spades lately ...
see Toad and Y-Town and the crappola there trying to sell as reasonable thought .... and it is all brought on by the SILENCE IN BEREA ......
now that Cutler is off the table .. BQ is here to stay and DA is either gone or planted firmly on the bench .. it really is that simple .. but hey .. thats no fun so U all enjoy yourself until I'm proven right as usual ... 
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I don't agree with alot of what this guy says ... well OK ... i don't believe there is going to be a true "comp" and that if we get a 2nd rounder for DA hes gone so its all a mute point ... but I thought this was a well thought out article (sumptin I;m not used to regarding the Browns .. *L*) .. that made many many very good points weather I agree with them or not .. so even though many of U dreamers will use this against me I decided to post it anyhow to share with those that want to read a good piece wi5th some good stuff in it ...
The Players Page
By Matt Bowen
Posted March 25, 2009
Anderson, Quinn Set To Battle
On Tuesday, new Cleveland Browns head coach Eric Mangini announced that his starting quarterback for the ’09 season will be decided on the field. And now, Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson begin a QB competition that is hopefully settled by mid-August — a move that might be Mangini’s best so far.
The Decision
I’ve been pretty hard on Mangini the last week or so for his roster moves — and his overall persona in Cleveland — but I’m actually a big supporter of his decision to hold off naming a starter at quarterback.
Why? Well, as the coach of this football team, the biggest decision Mangini has to make when it comes to the roster — and in the eyes of Browns fans and the media — comes at the quarterback position. Say what you want, but rushing to judgment can not only send Cleveland into a near revolt, it can also cause the Browns’ locker room to start questioning their new coach before they begin their first spring workout.
Plus, this is Mangini’s team, and he has to see firsthand who the best quarterback is for his team — in the meeting room, the weight room, with the media, in the huddle, and finally, on the field — before he names a starter for the fall.
Last year means nothing to Mangini. Sure, he’ll watch the film — and probably even go back to the ’07 season to see Anderson at his best — but he’ll want to see the two QBs operate under his rules and under his system before he announces who will be under center, and who will be the man to lead his offense against the AFC North.
Why Announce It Now?
To send a message.
Mangini couldn’t care less that Quinn was a first-round pick and played at Notre Dame. He also couldn’t care less that Anderson makes a lot of money to sit on the bench.
First, he probably wants to see how these guys react. Do they take this as an opportunity, or do they take it as a slap in the face — moping around the facility and complaining to the media? Players get tested in this league all the time by the coaching staff, and it doesn’t always pertain to the field.
Do they show up for workouts every day? Do they work hard with the strength coach, the trainer, the running backs, the wide receivers? How do they treat their offensive linemen in the huddle?
Lots of questions, but also lots of opportunities for Quinn and Anderson to show Mangini that they’re the leader of the Browns’ football team.
Maybe more importantly, it sends a message to the rest of the team — because if the quarterback job is open, so is wide receiver, cornerback, defensive end and so on.
And that creates competition at every position, something every coach dreams of because it forces players to be at their best every day.
Where you were drafted, how much money you make and what you did in the past means absolutely nothing. I’ve written it before — with new coaches come new rules, new offenses and defenses, and more importantly for players, new opportunities.
All those guys who played as back-ups last season, or didn’t fit with the old system, now have a chance to show Mangini and his staff that they’re the right choice to play — and start. And the guys who were starters last season, well, they’re going to have to prove it all over again to a new staff, whether they like it or not.
No free passes in Cleveland this year.
Who Has The Early Edge?
No one.
And that’s how a competition is supposed to be run — without favorites.
I have to believe that Mangini is going to run a fair competition. Both Quinn and Anderson will most likely spilt reps during OTAs and mini-camp. Quinn may play with the starters one day, then Anderson plays with them the next.
All of their throws will be charted — even in one-on-ones and individual drills. Turnovers, missed opportunities and deep balls will be written down.
Pressure, pressure and more pressure will be added to your normal OTA workout in shorts. But at the quarterback position, you need to see how Quinn and Anderson react. How do they do after a bad series? Do they bounce back? What about an awful day in the spring? How do they respond the next morning, or is it still imbedded in their heads?
This will continue into August and training camp. How do they do in preseason games now that they’re in game situations? Do they step into their throws with a real rush in their face for the first time?
Can they handle the pressure of a highly publicized quarterback competition and the rigors of training camp at the same time?
Trust me, Quinn and Anderson will be put through the ringer before a starter is named — and that’s exactly how Mangini should, and will, do it before he hands the football, and the keys to the bus, to one of these guys.
When Does This Thing End?
Yes, I know this competition is exactly one day old, but when you have a new coach, a new brand of football in a football town, it takes time. And it takes effort from all sides — quarterback, coach and management.
However, I’ve played on teams that had these competitions. In Washington, it was Patrick Ramsey and Mark Brunell. In Buffalo, it was J.P. Losman and Kelly Holcomb. In each of those cases, a starter was named before the third preseason game.
Why? Because that’s the game when you put your starters on alert. That’s the game when the starters play into the third quarter and run an offense. That’s the game when your team comes together.
All of the spring and summer workouts come to a head, and you try and put on a show for the fans and the media as well as announce to your team that this guy, this quarterback, is the one who’s going to lead you to a hopeful playoff spot.
You can have all the competitions you want throughout the offseason, but by late August, the Browns need to have either Quinn or Anderson in place — not only for the mentality of the quarterback, but for the team’s as well.
Their teammates will most likely pick sides when it comes to Quinn and Anderson this spring, but they’re also professionals. And professionals know that when a quarterback is finally picked, they will get behind him and go forward.
So Mangini has put his quarterbacks — and his team — on alert in the best move he has made since agreeing to coach the Browns.
He wants his guys to compete, and that usually points to better players and a better team.
Hey, it’s a start.
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I have seen enough to know that nobody really has a solid handle on the QB spot.
I do however believe that any QB that plays under constant pressure will fail, and if they receive enough hits they pretty much are ruined.
I have seen so many times guys say well DA has proven that he isn't up too it. When in reality our O Line has proven they aren't up to it. When DA was well protected he played pretty darned good. When he wasn't he played like poo.
We have seen every single QB that has played for the Browns since 99 fail when they were exposed to constant pressure, and last season was yet another example of what pressure does to a QB. And in the instance of the Browns QB's. BTW none of ours played for crap last year.
Instead of automatically assuming it all falls on the QB why not look beyond that and try to figure out why?
Why did a guy that seemingly played so well in 2007 play so poorly in 2008, why? Then ask did the O Line provide the kind of protection that would allow "ANY" QB to be productive? Did the receivers run the proper routes did the running game help lesson the pressure. Did the defense hold up, and provide the offense with good field position from which to operate? Answer some of those questions or give them some thought at the very least, that's alls we all should be doing, yes evaluate, but temper that evaluation while also considering what the QB had to work with.
The strangest part to me is that fans recognize the importance of pressure after all it's what leads to poor QB play, but when our QB falters under the pressure he sucks and isn't up to it. Excuse me but I find that strange as hell, really.
I really wished we had never gottin a local kid to come in as a QB, I really think (I could be wrong) that that fact has tainted opinion, and has robbed some of you of your ability to reason things out.
Here is the best example I can site.
Cutler Pro Bowl QB, franchise guy. Last season he had 25 TD's and 18 Int.'s Garners the Dockeys 2 1st round picks.
DA all be it for only one season 29 TD's and 19 Ints. Yet DA should be sent packing for a six pack, or a promise of a returned favor sometime in the future. Got to say those that hold out no hope for the guy or think he is really awful nailed it on this one. I agree no way we should get more then a 4th rounder for DA.
Tell you all DA sucks crowd what, bet your last Dollar Cutler is about to fall to earth playing behind that O Line they have in Chi town. Remember where you heard it too.
Sorry for the rant board but I have seen enough of these DA sucks or BQ is better, so say I, so it should be posts. Truth is no one really knows anything about how this will play out. I do know though that when DA was well protected 2007 he did OK. When he wasn't so well protected in 2008 he didn't play so OK.
In an open competition I think DA will hold his own, and for those that think that BQ should just be handed the job without consideration for the position that DA was placed in last season, I say I think you need to rethink your thinking. Jumping too soon could cost the Browns a damned good QB. Be very careful what you wish for, that's all.
Don't let the fact that BQ is a local boy fog your opinion and handicap your ability to reason this out.
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I have seen enough to know that nobody really has a solid handle on the QB spot.
No doubt. Anything else is posters plugging their visions into Mangini's head.
Quinn has never shown himself to be head and shoulders over Anderson. Anderson has never showed himself to be head and shoulders over Quinn. Mangini has made no revealing statements about either.
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More spin by you to give the appearance you are just an unbiased fair guy.
*shrug* You can claim whatever you want to claim. I've stated that I want a QB competition to pick the best QB, but I'd prefer that QB to be Quinn because of his mobility.
I'm sorry that you're conspiracy theorist mind can't accept that because it's making you look foolish
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Well that statement tells me a lot about you. You are all talk and really not much knowledge. Cause all a QB competition will show you is that you don't have a QB. It could create a split in the Locker room - cause a true competition will have the players picking who their favorites are.
That's such an ass-backwards statement that I don't know where to begin.
The more you type, the more I'm beginning to realize you don't want a competition because you're afraid your boy Quinn won't win
Do you SERIOUSLY think the players haven't ALLREADY picked their favorite?!?!
Fraley wants DA, other's want Quinn. Whoopty-freakin'-doo.
Yeah, let's just name a starter because we don't want to upset the other players. 
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Just because Winslow caught passes from one or the other doesn't mean he's qualified to know who's supposed to be the QB"
Why not?
If you don't get it......which you DON'T........I'm not going to explain it to ya.
You MUST know more about the game than Mangini, because he's all for a QB competition.
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Surprisingly, I cannot disagree with that assessment. I think Quinn should get a chance to run the team. At minimum through the first 8 games. We know what DA can do, let's give the Irish lad a chance.
But just because it's a dumb idea doesn't mean it won't happen. A person gets ripped on here for using the phrase "gut feeling" but that's what this is. A gut feeling that Mangini doesn't like either guy and would not hesitate to dump both of them for draft picks if he had a viable option on hand as a veteran QB.
My ample gut has been wrong before. And this is probably one of those times. But I would not dismiss the possibility of multiple trades out of hand. At least not until the Draft is over.
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Surprisingly, I cannot disagree with that assessment. I think Quinn should get a chance to run the team. At minimum through the first 8 games. We know what DA can do, let's give the Irish lad a chance.
But just because it's a dumb idea doesn't mean it won't happen. A person gets ripped on here for using the phrase "gut feeling" but that's what this is. A gut feeling that Mangini doesn't like either guy and would not hesitate to dump both of them for draft picks if he had a viable option on hand as a veteran QB.
My ample gut has been wrong before. And this is probably one of those times. But I would not dismiss the possibility of multiple trades out of hand. At least not until the Draft is over.
I know it's a possibility, but "my gut" tells me that trading both would be a complete nightmare.
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just thought I'd add this here...it could go in probably 5 different threads lol
I know what ya mean......when I started this thread I tried to tack it on to "Let the QB battle begin" thread started by Attack Dawg but the board would not allow me to do so....but it would let me start it as a new thread. Go figure....
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WINSLOW ENDORSES QUINN Thought it was quite interesting cause its the first Quote of who should start from all be it an Ex-Starter but one who shows no animosity to the organization.
I haven't read the whole thread yet but I had the same thoughts......what would his motive be other than speaking the truth that he feels in his mind???
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I haven't read the whole thread yet but I had the same thoughts......what would his motive be other than speaking the truth that he feels in his mind???
it's not that winslow has a motive from speaking the truth, the "truth" is a perception matter. the simple matter is that winslow benefited more from quinn than from DA. remember, in the broncos game, he had 10 catches. within HIS mind, he felt the offense was better because HE was getting the ball more from quinn.
just flip around: if BE was the player who was just traded, who do you think he'd say was the better qb? who would BE endorse? a guy who got him the ball once or twice a game for 10-30 yards or the guy who threw him 16 tds and got him to a pro bowl?
simple matter is the "truth" is the actual truth in winslow's perspective but it isn't necessarily the "truth" from other perspectives. jmho
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I haven't read the whole thread yet but I had the same thoughts......what would his motive be other than speaking the truth that he feels in his mind???
it's not that winslow has a motive from speaking the truth, the "truth" is a perception matter. the simple matter is that winslow benefited more from quinn than from DA. remember, in the broncos game, he had 10 catches. within HIS mind, he felt the offense was better because HE was getting the ball more from quinn.
just flip around: if BE was the player who was just traded, who do you think he'd say was the better qb? who would BE endorse? a guy who got him the ball once or twice a game for 10-30 yards or the guy who threw him 16 tds and got him to a pro bowl?
simple matter is the "truth" is the actual truth in winslow's perspective but it isn't necessarily the "truth" from other perspectives. jmho
BE would be saying they both sucked because they couldn't throw anything catchable.
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Having trouble getting the Browns-Denver Broncos pre-college draft collaboration out of my mind. Fixated on it.
For some strange reason, I believe something will go down between the two teams prior to the draft. The mind boggles with all the possibilities.
The Browns’ quarterback situation has not yet reached “resolved” status.
Why do I get the feeling coach Eric Mangini’s training-camp scenario of a quarterback battle between Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson will not take place?
The guess here is one of them will report to a different training camp by then. And the most likely candidate is Quinn.
Mangini denied a report out of Washington last week that the Browns were involved with the Broncos and Redskins in a three-way deal during the Jay Cutler drama last week and that Quinn was the central figure. What else did you expect him to say?
How would you like to be Quinn and watch your coach admit that, yeah, I talked to Denver about trading you. Of course, Mangini is going to deny it. I don’t buy it. Don’t forget, this is the lying season around the National Football League.
In Washington, however, the Redskins avoided a polygraph test by admitting Jason Campbell was offered to the Broncos in an attempt to get Cutler and will have to deal with their displeased quarterback. The Broncos, it was reported, preferred Quinn.
The key now is how long the Broncos will stick to the notion that Kyle Orton will be more than a serviceable quarterback. Any quarterback in Denver, where John Elway carved out an iconic career, plays under unbelievable pressure, although Cutler was making some headway before his snit earned a ticket to Chicago.
The Broncos cannot actually believe Orton, who seems more like a throw-in on the huge trade that sent Cutler packing last week, is the answer at quarterback.
There’s got to be more than they’re letting on. With the college draft coming up the final weekend of the month and two pretty good quarterbacks available, it wouldn’t surprise to see the Broncos position themselves for one of them.
One of the possible scenarios does not involve Quinn.
If the Broncos do, indeed, have plans to grab either Mark Sanchez or Matthew Stafford, they’ve got to move up in the draft to do so. It’s unlikely both will be there by the time the Broncos draft at No. 12.
The Detroit Lions sure could use a quarterback with the first pick. Rumors out of Seattle indicate the Seahawks, who draft just ahead of the Browns, would not be averse to drafting Matt Hasselbeck’s successor. And Jacksonville, at No. 8, isn’t exactly thrilled with David Garrard.
And that’s where the Browns, sitting pretty with the fifth pick overall, reside in a position of strength.
If the Broncos really want to move up to grab their quarterback of the future, Cleveland very well could be the portal through which it can be accomplished.
It could be achieved in any number of ways.
The Browns can play hardball and ask for both of Denver’s first-round picks, Nos. 12 and 18, for the No. 5 selection. That, of course, would be met with an immediate rejection. Nice try, though.
If the Browns would be willing to part with the second of their round two picks (No. 50), however, that could be a deal maker.
But if the Browns were to swap their first pick for, say, Denver’s 12th overall, a second-rounder (No. 48) and a fourth-rounder (future or otherwise), that would work. It would give the Browns four of the first 50 selections.
If it’s Mangini’s plan to rebuild the Browns through the college lottery, this would be a significant first step since he inherited just four draft picks when he took over. Plenty of holes can be filled on the first day, especially on defense.
A lot also depends on how certain Denver coach Josh McDaniels is that he can not only work with Orton, but turn him into someone significantly more productive than he was in Chicago.
The young Broncos coach is saying all the right things with regard to his new quarterback. “Kyle Orton has won in this league,” he says, calling him “tough, smart and a good decision maker” and gushing how “excited” he is that Orton was part of the deal.
All very nice, but that stuff tumbles out of the public relations machine like cotton candy out of an amusement park machine. McDaniels has got to say that. That’s his way of justifying the trade to Broncos fans upset with Cutler’s departure.
The question is: Does he really, in his heart of hearts, believe that? Behind closed doors, in private conversation, does he espouse the same platitudes? The guess here is, uh, no.
If McDaniels is really as close to Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis as many believe, then the possibility of landing Quinn in Denver remains viable.
But suppose the Broncos aren’t willing to make any deal with the Browns, what then? There are other alternatives.
The New York Jets have no one substantive to replace Brett Favre and might want a shot at a quarterback. Anderson, whose talents would fit in nicely with Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer’s stretch offense, would be the likely candidate for departure.
In a semi-related item, if the Broncos decide to leap over the Browns and ship their two first-round selections to Kansas City at No. 3 (over Seattle) in order to get their quarterback, that most likely drops linebacker Aaron Curry into the Browns’ laps.
And what position needs the most help for the Browns? Linebacker, of course, and Curry is the best ’backer on the board. So it is possible, not necessarily probable, the Browns could wind up with their linebacker without making a move.
The only question there is whether the Broncos would be willing to surrender two high picks to a division rival.
There are other possibilities, some of which border on the ridiculous, that will not be mentioned at this time.
Besides, I’ve got a headache.
Draft day can’t come soon enough.
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What else is new with this franchise. Ever since 1999, it has mishandled the QB position. The more the things change,the more the things stay the same.
How come this organization cannot put together a solid 53 man roster and be competive?
If it can't find a answer at QB,then how do you expect it to be effective putting the rest of the pieces together?
This team has nothing but disappoint the masses since 1999.
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I'm not gonna say the QB situation has been mishandled until it actually occurs. I just can't see anybody is this league taking DA over BQ.
EM and Kok may just be blowin smoke hoping to scare some dumb team into wasting a 3rd on DA. Hopefully that is whats going on here, and the whole QB comp is bull. Now, if EM and Kok go into camp with this "QB battle", then yeah, we have serious problems...mainly it would mean both EM and Kok are stupid.
If you examine the facts right now, it really points toward Quinn...IMO.
1. WCO offense
2. Quinn is smarter, and has a better work ethic
3. Leadership
4. DA has shown time after time he's nothing but fools gold
5. Youth and Potential...DA is a proven bum, Quinn hasn't had a chance to prove anything.
6. Money, DA makes alot, Quinn has a reasonable deal.
7. Common Sense
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Just because some guy who writes for a website or a newspaper speculates, doesn't make him any more insightful than the rest of us. The proliferation of these opinion-soaked blogs, without supplying us much in the way of hard facts, are getting ridiculous.
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The Browns can play hardball and ask for both of Denver’s first-round picks, Nos. 12 and 18, for the No. 5 selection. That, of course, would be met with an immediate rejection. Nice try, though.
If the Browns would be willing to part with the second of their round two picks (No. 50), however, that could be a deal maker.
But if the Browns were to swap their first pick for, say, Denver’s 12th overall, a second-rounder (No. 48) and a fourth-rounder (future or otherwise), that would work. It would give the Browns four of the first 50 selections.
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I would only do that trade if the broncos gave us 12 and 18 for the 5th. Why would we have to give them our 2nd?? If the broncos want sanchez that bad, their going to have to pay.If not the browns should stay put and take bpa.
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The more i think about it, i would not be shocked to see the browns draft Sanchez and deal Quinn  Anderson has already earned his roster bonus of 5 million (thanks Phil). The new regime has nothing invested in either guy. They might want to make their own stamp on the franchise with their hand picked QB. I'm not advocating this- but it does make some sense to draft Sanchez at 5 and then sit him a year behind DA. To me, it would make more sense to keep Quinn, deal DA and sign a backup QB before they all disappear. If you look around, those FA guys are starting to sign- Garcia, Boller.... Leftwich talking to the skins. If we wait long enough, we just might get stuck with Grossman- yikes.
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"If you don't get it......which you DON'T........I'm not going to explain it to ya."
Some more Toad speak for - I was so wrong on that subject let me try to fool some dimwits and I'll put this out there and hope it sticks lol 
I see you state you hope that BQ wins the "Competition" if there is one.
then you say this:
"I'm beginning to realize you don't want a competition because you're afraid your boy Quinn won't win"
Wait - I thought BQ was your boy??? I'm getting dizzy here with all the waffling  obviously so that no matter what turns out you can claim that you called it 
The only thing I'm afraid of is that we don't have a Franchise QB here. Thats all I could care less what name goes with it...DA or BQ. I already summerized what DA has to give and if he's in the mix "seriously" that brings us closer to NOT HAVING A FRANCHISE QB HERE. That is all I fear. I don't want any variables to mess it up. Just like DA was given his best opportunity. Work with the starters everyone knew he was the starter. Everyone had to buy into it...there were no other options. He had his shot and like he did the last 5 games in 07, like he did in the Pro-Bowl (his road to riches) like he did as the starter for us in 08. He failed. As Brown's fans our only chance at a Franchise QB is BQ that is why so many feel the way they do about BQ...he is our only shot or we got to search for that HOLY GRAIL some more! It has nothing to do with insulting tags you DA guys pretending to be a "I'd prefer that QB to be Quinn because of his mobility." BQ guy then call anyone who disagrees with you. Stuff like wearing BQs underwear, YOUR BOY BQ, etc.
And you can talk till you are Blue in the face. A QB competition is NEVER GOOD to have...not of the real kind (that we had in 07). As a coach you know who you want. Just because its a unique situation with a new staff and they did not hand pick either QB. It does not mean they don't know.
I mean in NY they had a "Competition" per say for the QB spot with Favre there - ya, right like he didn't know who was going to be the QB??? Well just cause the word Competition is thrown out. There are two meanings to it. A real Competition or just a token one with the winner already known going in.
The REAL kind is Never, never good. The fact you don't know it...spells volume on your knowledge of the subject. We aren't talking College ball here, HS ball here. We are talking NFL. And when you have a 1st round QB - on your team its not a matter of Will he be the guy its a matter of WHEN and they all get the shot...ALL I cannot remember one not getting the shot. Well BQ's When is here. If not then he must be one of the worst QBs ever drafted (OSU QB of the 70's???) And there are few I believe involved with the NFL who think DA is a possible answer.
Maybe he can go to Tampa and "COMPETE" with McCown and whoever they got there. That will be a real competition
JMHO - but to laugh at me suggesting I don't know what I'm talking about saying a QB competition is not good - is just outright Rediculous. The fact you covet it...speak Volumes
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"If you don't get it......which you DON'T........I'm not going to explain it to ya."
Some more Toad speak for - I was so wrong on that subject let me try to fool some dimwits and I'll put this out there and hope it sticks
Nope, just not going to spend any more time trying to teach a chimp rocket-science which is akin to  Quote:
I see you state you hope that BQ wins the "Competition" if there is one.
then you say this:
"I'm beginning to realize you don't want a competition because you're afraid your boy Quinn won't win"
Wait - I thought BQ was your boy??? I'm getting dizzy here with all the waffling
That's the difference between critical thinking and being a Homer: Despite wanting the more mobile Quinn to win the job, that doesn't mean I'm for handing him the job, which is what you're after. 
Let me sum it up so that your narrow mind can try and wrap itself around the concept:
Having a preference at QB doesn't preclude me from the most logical answer which is that a QB competition to determine who the best man is represents the best move for the football team.
Don't worry Eo, I know the big words scare you. As a personal favor, I'll dumb the words down if you ask me nicely
See, I can have a preference. I'm SURE Mangini has a preference. That DOESN'T mean just giving that guy the job is the best move.
Wait..........I'm again. Chimps and rocket science 
So while I do prefer Quinn win the job, I don't have "a boy" like you admittedly do.
And that's the difference between you and I. You simply can't see the difference.
As proof, here's something from the QB competition thread before Cutler got traded:
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Winning and high performance would cure the ills but....
I still think there's too much animosity between DA and the fans and possibly the organization. There were some ugly comments last year and I'm not ready to say it's all water under the bridge just yet.
I'd love to see either excell but I won't hold my breath.
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The fans.......maybe. The organization? Nah.
The only guy that would be in Anderson's crosshairs would be Crennel, and any ill-feelings he'd ratained would have been mostly removed when RAC embarassed himself right out of Cleveland over the last half of the season.
All the coaches are gone, and the only guy really left is Lerner, who didn't play a role in anything other than to sign the checks.
In fact, I would be feeling encouraged that I'm given another chance to win the job. All the talk about Quinn since the season ended is how he's perhaps not the end-all be-all that many Homers claim him to be. That means Anderson stands a chance of winning the gig back, and probably is happy about not having that idiot Crennel screwin' up his chances again.
Hey, maybe this entire thing is a ruse by the coaches, but I seriously doubt it. Why? Because the smart thing would be to annoint your starter now and get the team behind him. That hasn't happened. Furthermore, there's no QB market now for either guy in a straight-up trade for anything worth having. Two of the BIG jobs are now taken in KC and Minny. For whatever jobs remain, those teams will be looking at Cutler, who's viewed as a far-superior player to Quinn or Anderson. Until that situation is sorted out, he remains in play, and our QB's don't. So.......I think the odds are clearly in favor of us keeping both QB's into camp, with the best one taking the job. I'd PREFER that it be Quinn, if only because he's mobile. However, I've seen nothing of him that tells me he's such a greater prospect than Anderson. In fact, I think the way Anderson has carried himself through all this reflects very well on him. I also think Quinn is a little bit of primmadonna, but why I feel that way can't be talked about because it's forbidden
So........You're WRONG! Proven wrong, undeniably wrong, unequivocally wrong.
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And you can talk till you are Blue in the face. A QB competition is NEVER GOOD to have
Tell that to the Jaguars, who originally named Leftwich the starter, but let Garrard prove himself in camp.
Now Garrard is a solid NFL QB, and Leftwich can't get a call as a backup.
The Bucs brought in several QB's to find a starter, let them play it out in preseason, then settled on Garcia.
Yeah, that worked out pretty well, didn't it
So much for "NEVER"
The bottom line here is that because we've had nothing but CRAPPY QB's (with the exception of Garcia, who Davis screwed over) and because of that, NO QB competition could have produced a winner. As a result, you're afraid. You're afraid that going a competition route will hurt Quinn's chances of winning the job.
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If Quinn is everything YOU think he is, a competition won't do anything but help him. If EITHER guy is worth having as the starter, that player will shine in a competition, and falter if they aren't.
Cleveland fans have grown afraid of competition because it's led to a carousel at the position. The PROBLEM is that the fans don't understand WHY the problem existed at all.
The reason we didn't have any QB play isn't because we had open competitions It's because outside of Garcia, they were all BUMS.
Nothing more. Nothing less.
THINK ABOUT IT!
If Couch wasn't a bum, Holcomb doesn't get a shot. Holcomb only gets a shot because Couch was a bum.
Garcia got screwed over and left so we went after a REACH in another bum named Frye. Because Frye was a rookie/developmental bum, we brought in a bum named Trent Dilfer.
Now both are gone because they were bums.
We picked Anderson off waivers and drafted Quinn because of all the bums we'd gone through. Yet Anderson had a rather amazing year, considering what was expected of him. But wait! We have a promising QB sittin' on the bench.
So here we sit............Just naming a guy here is STOOPID, nothing short of IDIOTIC...........without really seeing for themselves which guy is the best suited. Afterall, if Quinn is really a good QB, he'll have no problem beating out a bum in Anderson, right?
It's hard for me to believe that you're this afraid of a competition. (Well, maybe not ). Since your mind isn't broad enough to grasp the concept, it shouldn't surprise me that you're afraid.
Afterall, early man feared the moon because he didn't understand it. I should be more tolerant.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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"Don't worry Eo, I know the big words scare you. As a personal favor, I'll dumb the words down if you ask me nicely"
Where's Plaxico when you need him...whatever he said to the Fla cops...
Then you go in one direction to try to prove your opinion and claim game set and match...cause you got an opinion and were able to prove it...meanwhile you have proven to belie even your opinion over n over again.
Yeah you are right and all others are wrong....go throw your ball in back yard some more and gain more experience on the subject matter
I've wiped up the floor with ya all over the place. Yeah you can hunt and be correct about a post you made like that makes your opinion right. You still waffle on the subject so I don't see any point that you have made.
"Having a preference at QB doesn't preclude me from the most logical answer which is that a QB competition to determine who the best man is represents the best move for the football team."
And thats your claim to higher intelligence - words I cannot understand and then compare me to a Chimp and you a rocket scientists...you're an  nah you ain't worth it.
All you told me is that we should all dumb down to your football level. Cause you cannot come to a conclusion on the best Road for us to take regarding the QB situation we have to make it a dumb down situation and all Go to TOADS level.
And that makes complete logical sense to you.
The flim flam man strikes again. And so it is according to Toad so no other should have the football intelligence to think a Competition is not the best thing for the Browns. Gospel according to Toad how silly
The rest I ain't even going to read cause you are done...you have nothing to bring. You don't have a clue how a QB relates to a football team. Your bring on the competition and its good for the Browns and anyone who disagrees is a BQ humper and you are the only unbiased sane one posting on the board. No shred of proof your big AHA is to search the board for the one spot where you stated that you like BQ mobility...that's the fact you bring us. Ya figure you would actually go through the history of the NFL and show me where a QB competition was actually GOOD FOR THE TEAM nah that would be too on the subject... lets find a post you made earlier and make a big deal about like see...everything Toad says is a FACT lol thats what you decide to debate me on. Thats all you got.
Done...I'll try not to ignore you all together but really its tough for you to debate on actual football stuff - so I don't really blame you for all the Flim Flam...its what you got to bring - enjoy
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U see Taod .. thats where U and guys like Y-Town really lose it and are misguided ..
exactly when were u suppose to see it??? .. was it the Denver game .. well he played pretty damm well in that game ... no?? .. I'm mean really .. could u have exected much if any more from him in that game?? ..
tel me what he did wrong in that game .. and u know i was very harsh and critical of him after that game .. so please tell me .. WHAT MORE DID U EXPECT OUT OF HIM IN THAT GAME?? ..
or was it int he Buffalo game where he showed u nuttin .. u know .. the one where he BROKE .the INDEX FINGER on his THROWING HAND in the FIRST QUARTER ... was it that game he shoed u nuttin in .. cause if so . I can agree with that .. but man .. and u know i am not an excuse maker .. but the dude played with a BROKEN INDEX FINGER (the most imoprtant finger) ONHIS THROWING HAND for 3 quarters of it ..
or was it the next game that he showed U nuttin??
come on tell me .... and use no spin for once .. cause u GOT NUTTIN .. give the kid a chance before u bury him .. U AREN;T .. u "hope" hes better but you have yet to see it .. WELL GIVE HIM A CHANCE to show u .. cause so far HE HAS NOT HAD ONE ..
U claim to hope he wins the job .. but then on the other hand u BURY HIM by saying that DA has shown as much as him (or as little i guess .. *L*) .. well thats a HUGE FRICKIN INSULT ... give hiim a CHANCE ... then bury him ..
thats all ..
and U guys can crow all u want .. there will be no comp .. everyone knows whos better ... and i am not afraid of it .. if we can't get rid of DA they will move on with the guise of a comp .. but they ALL READY KNOW ... BQ would ahve uried him last year but the plan was to let him develop one more year .. but DA is so bad he couldn't even hold the fort for the entire season so that plan got blown to hell ..
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Just Clickin, When did either Quinn or DA get so good that they should be named starting QB before training camp?? I thought since we have a new coach, new O-coord that the slate is now clean and both QBs have a chance to show who is ready and who is not, depending on if one of them do not get dealt before now and the draft? On the Browns, there is only 1 position - NG - who can say they have that competition locked up. Wait, maybe LT also!. Other than that, the other 20 positions on D and on O are open for competition!
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Sorry Diam, your post will be deleted as this debate must use white and yellow and red and orange text. My apologies.
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I just hope you keep score and note that I WON
What's my record now...
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U see Taod .. thats where U and guys like Y-Town really lose it and are misguided ..
exactly when were u suppose to see it??? .. was it the Denver game .. well he played pretty damm well in that game ... no?? ..
U WILL SEE .... THE TIME IS NEAR ....
Diam,
Wasn't Denver one of the worst defenses in the league? I'm not sure everybody can say without a doubt he's great or a bum, once we see more of him in the NFL, we can determine it.
Personally, I don't see the QB comp as that big of a deal. They're all big boys and should be able to handle it. Besides, If Quinn is 1/2 as good as you all say he is, he'll have no problem winning it and settling things forever. By the way, in no way does this mean i'm for Anderson winning or Quinn, or freaking ken dorsey. I just want the best guy playing, that's all.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I'm going to wade into this comical debate:
I just want to win. I am not routing for Quinn or Anderson individually. But really Anderson got his chance. Yes he could get better or maybe he is what we last saw. Quinn on the other hand has not had a chance to prove a thing.
He deserves that chance. Maybe he isn't a great practice guy but from what I have seen he moves the team.
I really don't know why everybody falls for draft guys when they have no idea how they will play. Quinn from what I have seen has never done anything wrong. At his draft people picked at his credentials. He just worked all the time. He rose in the draft then fell. When asked about it he said " I have no idea how I could fall when have not played a game or been hurt I just work to get better all the time". He did everything at the combine.
He has never complained. When you see him on the sideline he always has a clipboard, seems very involved and ready to go. When on the field he looks composed and prepared.
I don't know what else this kid can do than what he has done. He has done nothing but work hard at football and at school.
I just want him to get his chance to do what he has prepared for his whole life. Lead the Cleveland Browns. If he fails then so be it. But he sure deserves the chance.
Cutler, Sanchez, Stafford are there not questions about them as well.
Is Cutler a team player or spoiled brat? Yes he has a big arm. So does Anderson. He has not won a playoff game. And this whole situation in Denver one has to question his maturity and leadership qualities (which do count).
Sanchez 16 starts in college. Quinn four years. Stafford big arm limited play, decisions questionable? Kind of like Anderson.
Point is why would they be better than Quinn? You could make a case for Cutler but really you don't know because Quinn has not played.
I think we should move Anderson for a second rounder. We have other areas on this team that need to be improved more than keeping him on the bench. Bring in a veteran guy like Trent Green and give Quinn 2 years at starting.
You can debate for eternity but practice and preseason are not the proving grounds. All these first round QB's eventually got their chance. Palmer waited. Rivers waited. Aaron Rogers waited. Others like Peyton, Ben, Flacco and Matt Ryan got thrown right in there. Quinn has waited. He has contract escalators. His time has come.
You can call it a competition. You could say management does not want to undervalue each player for trade purposes. But have no doubt Quinn is going to start. Mangini is close to Romeo. He worked with Weiss. Kokinis knows Savage and worked in our division on top of having Anderson with the Ravens.
These guys have had the time to look and talk to those who have had direct experience. They know Quinn has to start. Do you not believe in Mangini's interview with Lerner that the topic was not covered? Especially in light of Lerner who never talks having come out and said "pick a guy and stick with him" as the Savage/Crennel era ended.
This debate will end. Anderson will either be traded or will be a backup. Lerner knows it and so does Mangini and Kokinis. Although we are only fans. We still buy the tickets and voice are opinions. Lerner knows who the fans want to see and although it may not be the driving determining factor it still comes into play.
So does the $11 mil Quinn will be due.
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I'm going to wade into this comical debate:
You mean you haven't figured out by now that Eo and I poke each other like two dudes on the golf course just to keep things interesting? 
SLINKY: It's because it's you that I even bother to answer a question that can't have an answer that will satisfy you (Now wrap your mind around that one *L*).
It's not what Quinn hasn't shown.........it's what Quinn hasn't shown. (When you get done with the first one, you can wrap your mind around this one *L*).
In his brief stint (what, two games or 1.5 games before he bumped his winky) as QB, he got to play a defense on the level of Southern Miss. In preseason, he was handed vanilla schemes and plays. So, to a critical thinker (skepticism is part of that equation) all I have to go by is what I saw in college and in very brief moments at the NFL (or PRE-NFL) level. Accuracy on short passes. Great. Mobility. Great. Frye had both of those. I need to see Quinn learn to read NFL defenses and make all the throws. Of course you'll say that you don't need to see any more in order to know. Well hey big boy, you asked ME, not yourself *L*
To me, Anderson has done some decent work in this league. Quinn, IMHO, while doing many things different, hasn't shown me that he's capable of doing them to the level that would make him a "can't miss" prospect. He does have more upside because of his mobility, but he's not as gifted as many 1st round QB's who've come out.
It's not going to be news to you when I say I want to see that arm throw intermediate and deep balls in the wind. Until he can prove those questions to be unfounded, he's a good prospect, but not a great one.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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SLINKY: It's because it's you that I even bother to answer a question that can't have an answer that will satisfy you
I asked U to answer ONE QUESTION w/o spin .. and u couldnlt even get through the first sentance w/o it .. *L* ...
the question has no answer that would satisy me cause there is no GOOD ANSWER TO IT .. I backed u into a corner with a direct question that has no answer that even the MASTER OF SPIN .. the best WEB WEAVER south of the Mississippi ,,, the KING OF TWISTING could not even come up with a good answer for .. and that must mean one thing .. THERE IS NO GOOD ANSWER ...
the problem is not with me and my ability to accept a good answer ... oh no my webbed footed friend .. the problem is that even U could not weave a web that could give a DECENT ANSWER to the question ..
Slinky??? .. *LOL* ,,...
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In his brief stint (what, two games or 1.5 games before he bumped his winky) as QB, he got to play a defense on the level of Southern Miss.
Ya .. so .. he played a D that no matter what he did he was not going to impress U ... ya, i get that ... that plays right into my question .. of
WHEN WAS HE SUPPOSE TO SHOW U HE COULD THE THINGS U BELIEVE HE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ...
u see .. this is why u had so much trouble crafting an answer to my question .. CAUSE THERE IS NOT A GOOD ONE ..
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In preseason, he was handed vanilla schemes and plays.
OK .. got it .. Yup ...
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So, to a critical thinker (skepticism is part of that equation) all I have to go by is what I saw in college and in very brief moments at the NFL (or PRE-NFL) level. Accuracy on short passes. Great. Mobility. Great. Frye had both of those.
well at least Frye and BQ are not from the same town in Ohio .. *L* .. but including Frye in your evaluation of my boy really helps your point of being someone who is actually rooting for BQ in ths comp ... cause we all want aother Charlie Frye on our hands ..
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I need to see Quinn learn to read NFL defenses and make all the throws.
Yup ... got it again .. and al i asked is that U GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO DO IT ... U used phrases such as ... he HAS SHOWN to be no better of a prospect than DA ... U see .. thats saying U have SEEN ENOUGH TO DRAW CONCLUSIONS as thats what your doing when U say ..
HES SHOWN ... and i asked when U saw that .. and your response was pretty much that .. well ... umm .. errr .. in college and in the 1.25 games he played here without a broken finger .. and 1 of those games DOESNT COUNT ... cause well even though he played a VERY DAMM GOOD GAME it was not against a real NFL D ..
and well since he played only .025 of a game against real NFL D's without a broken finger .. exaclty when was he SUPPOSE TO SHOW WEATHER HE COULD READ AN NFL D ..
let me save U from your own spin and answer that one for U in PLAIN ENGLISH ... hopefullU recognize it as its been so long since you've actually answered a question that way .. *L* ...
HE HAS HAD NO CHANCES TO SHOW U THAT he can or can not read an NFL D since Denver does not count ..
see how easy that was .. *L* ...
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Of course you'll say that you don't need to see any more in order to know. Well hey big boy, you asked ME, not yourself *L*
well I realize this is about U and your opinion and not about what the slinky thinks .. HENCE WHY I DID NOT GIVE MY OPINION ONCE in this post or the previous one ... but nice attempt at trying to move the convo away from what u actually said and making it about my opinion ..
SPIN AT ITS FINEST ... if i can't win when folks are watchign the bouncing ball I;ll take there eyes off it by switching the focus ..
Toadie Toadit toadie .. will u ever learn .. *L*
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To me, Anderson has done some decent work in this league.
Yup .. I agree ... i know im now interjecting my opinion .. but its only to agree with U .. but i;m sure you'll find a way to spin that into your advantage when u need to .. *L* ..
BUT i will also add he has DONE QUITE A BIT OF HORRIBLE WORK in this league also ..
and therein lies the problem .. BQ HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN THE CHANCE IN THIS LEAGUE ... at least NOT YET ..
all i can say is ...
U WILL SEE ... THE TIME IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!!
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18 pages of QB garbage can be summed up in a few sentences:
Derek Anderson has serious handicaps, and handicaps in very important areas, leadership, confidence, accuracy, consistency. He's had 3 training camps, and 2 season's as the starting QB. Instead of improving, he went backward, and then fell on his face last year.
Brady Quinn hasn't had a chance to prove himself good or bad. He played 6 quarters of healthy football last season against woeful defenses. We know he has the brains and pedigree to be good, hence why we traded for him. We do know his supposed strengths are in the short and intermediate routes, and is someone who checks down very fast.
We are going to be running a hybrid WCO, lemme repeat A WEST COAST OFFENSE. We are also have a hard ass coach who wants a tough(mental and physical) and smart football team.
Now using what we have, lets see which player would be the logical pick...and lets look at how QB competition's usually effect teams....now what do you suppose is REALLY going to happen here?
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